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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: dokunai]
    #18968491 - 10/12/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

but I wonder if it's possible NBOMes are chemically close enough & can test positive for amphetamine with a field test. 25i to me felt a lot like an amphetamine, and they're more common than DOx. Not saying you're wrong or anything. It's just something a part of me wonders.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: D.M.T]
    #18968548 - 10/12/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whowouldsaysuchathing:

Wait, are you saying because it feels like an amphetamine, it might test positive for amphetamine?

I'm sorry to say that's not how it works.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: dark3st]
    #18968581 - 10/12/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No... I'm saying it may be structurally similar enough to test positive for an amphetamine, but this is merely speculation. It probably is DOB/DOC but they aren't as common as NBOMe, particularly the former, hence why the question is raised.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: D.M.T]
    #18968594 - 10/12/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Whenever I ever tested 25i I got a dark green.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: fapjack]
    #18968619 - 10/12/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

According to Erowid's NBOMe page:

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The NBOMe series of chemicals are primarily N-o-methoxybenzyl analogs of the 2C-X family of phenethylamines, and are 5-HT2A (serotonin 2A) receptor agonists. A few are amphetamine analogs. With few exceptions (e.g. mescaline-NBOMe), compounds in this group are active at verly low sub-milligram doses. These chemicals have nearly no history of human use prior to 2010 when they first became available online.




I suspect 25B-NBOMe is one such amphetamine analog by its structure. Never experienced it either so we're not going by feeling here. :cool:



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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: D.M.T]
    #18968732 - 10/12/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why are you so dead set its an nbome? I'm damn sure if this was another nbome case they would of just called it acid. I didn't know a few nbomes were amphetamine analogues, they must be pretty indirect. I don't understand what would make 25b an amphetamine analogue, the element bromine is the only difference from the others.

I know the 2c class are anologues of mescaline, nbomes are derivatives of phenylathalime amines aka 2c,x's they all contain the bonds dimethoxy and ethanamine.

If the police and media are stupid enough to call anything containing a dimethoxy bond meth, we may as well start calling starter fluid meth.

DOx is the more rational bet, since they direct amphetamine anologues, Dimethoxy (DO), substituent (x), amphetamine.

Then again I never studied chemistry, so I could be wrong.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: D.M.T]
    #18969041 - 10/12/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No... I'm saying it may be structurally similar enough to test positive for an amphetamine, but this is merely speculation. It probably is DOB/DOC but they aren't as common as NBOMe, particularly the former, hence why the question is raised.





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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: MR.Merlin]
    #18969138 - 10/12/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Phenethylamines cause false positive for amphetamine all the time. Without going through a long chemistry explanation I don't feel like doing since I haven't smoked any marijuana today, I'll just show you why:


Phenethylamine ^



Amphetamine ^

Then given that NBOMes are more common than DOx probably by 10x, it only makes sense this is a possibility. I'm not saying it is a fact - just a possibility. Do not confuse it as such.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: D.M.T]
    #18969251 - 10/12/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you guys know that there is a tree in south Texas that contains methamphetamine...




if there was such a tree and it was located in South Texas, the Mexicans would have cut all them down already


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: tealeaf]
    #18969275 - 10/12/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No they wouldn't.  You would need to cut it ship it extract it and wind up with a less then pure as Normal, cutting down potential profit.  Hypothetically


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: tealeaf]
    #18969283 - 10/12/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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tealeaf said:
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Did you guys know that there is a tree in south Texas that contains methamphetamine...




if there was such a tree and it was located in South Texas, the Mexicans would have cut all them down already




Acacia berlandieri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: dokunai]
    #18969295 - 10/12/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dokunai said:
Quote:

tealeaf said:
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Did you guys know that there is a tree in south Texas that contains methamphetamine...




if there was such a tree and it was located in South Texas, the Mexicans would have cut all them down already




Acacia berlandieri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri




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      There are no reports in the literature of these findings having been repeated, however, leading to the suggestion that they resulted from cross-contamination or were possibly artifacts of the analytical technique. [8]




Also much more articles saying the same.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: dark3st]
    #18969313 - 10/12/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No they wouldn't.  You would need to cut it ship it extract it and wind up with a less then pure as Normal, cutting down potential profit.  Hypothetically




obviously, I was hypothetically being sarcastic :murray:


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: dark3st]
    #18969407 - 10/12/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dark3st said:
Quote:

dokunai said:
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tealeaf said:
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Did you guys know that there is a tree in south Texas that contains methamphetamine...




if there was such a tree and it was located in South Texas, the Mexicans would have cut all them down already




Acacia berlandieri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri




:facepalm:
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      There are no reports in the literature of these findings having been repeated, however, leading to the suggestion that they resulted from cross-contamination or were possibly artifacts of the analytical technique. [8]




Also much more articles saying the same.




Yeah, I know all that.  I was just specifying the species he was talking about so people can check it out for themselves.  These things tend to not be particularly well studied, and acacia spp. are certainly well known for DMT content.  Here's a question for you: if the findings aren't repeated, is it because there was only one assay or because further assays provided negative results?  I would think the latter would occlude any further mention of these findings, as negative peer reviews tend to take precedence over any initial results.  Most likely what happened here was others in the field said "this is the only experiment in this area, and we have reason not to believe it because other species in this genus do not produce these substances."  That is substantially different, and certainly less damning, than others repeating the experiment and not getting the same results.  In fact, the idea would be totally discredited if that were the case.  No offense intended, but I also don't think I deserved a :facepalm:.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: dokunai]
    #18969539 - 10/12/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well you posted without saying anything.  So I wrongly assumed.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: dokunai]
    #18970593 - 10/12/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

[qpuote]dokunai said:
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dark3st said:
Quote:

dokunai said:
Quote:

tealeaf said:
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Did you guys know that there is a tree in south Texas that contains methamphetamine...




if there was such a tree and it was located in South Texas, the Mexicans would have cut all them down already




Acacia berlandieri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri




:facepalm:
Quote:

      There are no reports in the literature of these findings having been repeated, however, leading to the suggestion that they resulted from cross-contamination or were possibly artifacts of the analytical technique. [8]




Also much more articles saying the same.




Yeah, I know all that.  I was just specifying the species he was talking about so people can check it out for themselves.  These things tend to not be particularly well studied, and acacia spp. are certainly well known for DMT content.  Here's a question for you: if the findings aren't repeated, is it because there was only one assay or because further assays provided negative results?  I would think the latter would occlude any further mention of these findings, as negative peer reviews tend to take precedence over any initial results.  Most likely what happened here was others in the field said "this is the only experiment in this area, and we have reason not to believe it because other species in this genus do not produce these substances."  That is substantially different, and certainly less damning, than others repeating the experiment and not getting the same results.  In fact, the idea would be totally discredited if that were the case.  No offense intended, but I also don't think I deserved a :facepalm:.



It wasn't just methamphetamine, it was a bunch of other shit that was thought to be be man made drugs.  The fact no one else has been able to reproduce it leads most to believe it was BS.
"A. berlandieri contains a number of diverse alkaloids, the most plentiful of which are N-methylphenethylamine, tyramine, and phenethylamine.[3] The total alkaloid content in dried leaves has been reported to be in the range 0.28-0.66%.[6] In a recent study, researchers identified thirty-one alkaloids in samples of plant foliage, including trace amounts of four amphetamines previously known only from laboratory synthesis: amphetamine, methamphetamine, para-hydroxyamphetamine and para-methoxyamphetamine. Other trace alkaloids include nicotine, and mescaline (found in many cacti but infrequently in other plants).[3] The same group of researchers later reported finding most of the same alkaloids in A. rigidula, a related species also native to the Southwestern U.S.[7] There are no reports in the literature of these findings having been repeated, however, leading to the suggestion that they resulted from cross-contamination or were possibly artifacts of the analytical technique.[8]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri

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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: tealeaf]
    #18970718 - 10/13/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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tealeaf said:
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Did you guys know that there is a tree in south Texas that contains methamphetamine...




if there was such a tree and it was located in South Texas, the Mexicans would have cut all them down already




Lol nah. They already have super labs down there and getting barrels of precursor. They already have all they need, that would just be too much extra work probably.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: Eminence]
    #18971970 - 10/13/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree they have the capability to produce tons of high purity crystal. There would be no need to cut down trees. I think it is disgusting what greedy people are doing to the sasafras trees in southeast asia just to make money. I stopped taking X when I found out about it.


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: niteman]
    #18972271 - 10/13/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you still eat meat from the store?


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Re: Texas City 8th graders found with new kind of meth on school campus [Re: dark3st]
    #18979938 - 10/15/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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