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underfliptown
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what makes dreams any less real?
#18960133 - 10/10/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been having intense fucking dreams lately. And I am wondering, if you dream and you actually see something that presumably you have never seen before what makes it less real than seeing something new in your waking life? Today i had a dream of wilderness and cliffs, and it was so fucking real i couldn't explain. Train hopping, cliff jumping, rock climbing, and all that jazz. I saw some of the most beautiful scenery of my life when asleep. Dreams are way better than reality.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18960163 - 10/10/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've always tried to tell people that dreams are just as real as reality when we are awake. Just because it doesn't follow the rules of our normal reality doesn't make it any less real.
I had a fucking awesome dream during my nap earlier today.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18960174 - 10/10/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel the same way, it's funny how we dismiss them as nonsense. We define reality as something you personally are experiencing (I think?), we experience dreams so why do we write them off as unimportant? I used to be quite interested in lucid dreaming, I would like to get into it again, just gotta work on my self discipline. Just like as stated above, just because its "different" doesn't necessarily make it less significant. Its pretty sad that the vast majority of people today ignore this huge part of our lives; we dream every night and we choose to ignore it.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: Harrishroom]
#18960212 - 10/10/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is lucid dreaming legit?
I've always thought it was new age nonsense.
If I had the ability to lucid dream, and could do whatever I could possibly imagine within the dream, I think that would be all the entertainment and enjoyment I would ever need in life. I mean, if I could dream up any scenario I want and put myself in the midst of it and have it be indistinguishable from this reality (and also be able to recall the dream in its entirety) I would be reluctant to spend more than a few hours in ordinary (or so called "ordinary") waking reality... I'd be constantly poppin ambiens and just wake up to shit, eat and fuck, then go back to sleep and live my fantasy life in dreams haha.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: chutney]
#18960256 - 10/10/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've been thinking similar thoughts, i've had some amazing dreams that are so indistinguishable from reality that it ends up a bit of a shock upon awakening. and yeah man i believe lucid dreaming is a real phenomenon it's just hard to learn but once you do it's amazing. been doing alot of dream working for the last 3 or more months and so far had only 2 proper lucid dreams though i can recall my dreams quite vividly now
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: chutney]
#18960287 - 10/10/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to think it was nonsense too, but then this happened and it changed my view on it. I find that writing them down right when you wake up helps a lot.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18960302 - 10/10/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what sort of methods do you use to notice your dreaming? one that usually works for me is trying to turn something on or trying to lock a door. it seams to be impossible to turn lights on or lock a door when your dreaming. atleast in my experience
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: newageshaman]
#18960315 - 10/10/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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After my encounters with DMT I have a vivid memorable dream every night, the first 2 weeks after had me questioning whether my awake state was a dream or not.
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underfliptown
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: newageshaman]
#18960318 - 10/10/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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newageshaman said: what sort of methods do you use to notice your dreaming? one that usually works for me is trying to turn something on or trying to lock a door. it seams to be impossible to turn lights on or lock a door when your dreaming. atleast in my experience
To be honest its never happened before today. It was a total accident. But now that I've done it once i think i am going to get better at it. I think writing your dreams down as soon as you wake up helps a lot.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18960323 - 10/10/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My dreams always have insane weird twists.. like I'm about to get blown then like a monkey comes and attacks me and I wake up...
crazy dreams are related to GABA action.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: Gorlax]
#18960347 - 10/10/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lucid dreaming/astral projecting is 'legit'
I believe in dream time we are all being tested
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: Agentchewy]
#18960355 - 10/10/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agentchewy said: After my encounters with DMT I have a vivid memorable dream every night, the first 2 weeks after had me questioning whether my awake state was a dream or not.
Thats cool man. I never had the same experiences with dmt, but i guess thats possible. I smoked a lot of dmt though lol.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18960455 - 10/10/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lucid dreaming is a very real phenomena, I was never very good at it, just a few random realizations here and there. Once you get the hang of realizing you're dreaming, its a very interesting experience. Its hard to manipulate the environment sometimes when you're not used to lucid dreaming, but if you're confident, you hold all the power in the dream world, its just as cool as it sounds.
I don't have lucids often, but when I do its usually because I notice something very out of the ordinary, prompting me to plug my nose, if I can still breathe through my nose, it means I'm dreaming. then I'm usually in a rush to do as much cool stuff as possible before I wake up. Its also a VERY strange feeling when you are interacting with such a vivid environment, knowing that its this entire virtual reality within you're head. It's where my interest in psychedelics stemmed from!
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: Harrishroom]
#18960656 - 10/10/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can manipulate things in your dreams but be careful with your thoughts/intent in the higher realms
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underfliptown
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MystiqueMushroom said: You can manipulate things in your dreams but be careful with your thoughts/intent in the higher realms
Why be careful? What's the worst that can happen?
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18960786 - 10/10/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not coming back to this vessel we call a body
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lessismore
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or possession
A bad sleep paralysis can scar you for life
I remember my first sleep paralysis 15 years ago vividly, like it was yesterday worse than my worst bad acid trip
felt like it changed something in me, but not sure...
I had lost the love for myself for many years since it, but could be other causes too took me 15 years to find the love for myself and everything I see again, with the help of psychedelics (LSD)
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
#18960880 - 10/10/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mio said: or possession
A bad sleep paralysis can scar you for life
I remember my first sleep paralysis 15 years ago vividly, like it was yesterday worse than my worst bad acid trip
felt like it changed something in me, but not sure...
I had lost the love for myself for many years since it, but could be other causes too took me 15 years to find the love for myself and everything I see again
Glad your back
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Back, and with no fear left :-)
only joy each day
if I could give LSD to everyone I would :-)
it was weird seeing my soul/body for the first time in 15 years again......
dunno how to describe it, reuniting with soul was pure bliss and I instantly remembered, but my body was almost dead lol, that's how careless I had gotten when I found the love again had the health of a 70 year old... kidneystones,gaut,high bp,liver problems,eye problems,feet pain could hardly walk,joint problems,swelling all over my body,itching,couldn't pee,had gained 77lbs weight, could only lay down for xx months due to pain,... was only 25
lost all the weight again and got healthier
lack of love for self, that is the worlds problem
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
#18960999 - 10/10/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mio said: Back, and with no fear left :-)
only joy each day
if I could give LSD to everyone I would :-)
it was weird seeing my soul/body for the first time in 15 years again......
dunno how to describe it, but it was almost dead lol, that's how careless I had gotten when I found the love again had the health of a 70 year old... kidneystones,gaut,high bp,liver problems,eye problems,feet pain could hardly walk,joint problems,swelling all over my body,had gained 77lbs weight,... was only 25
lost all the weight again and got healthier
lack of love for self, that is the worlds problems
That's great man. Yes no fear, can't have fear if your gonna journey deep. I think I've been being tested in my dreams on this recently, like I'll become lucid in a dream as the plane I'm on is crashing to imminent death and just have to deal with those 10 seconds before death. Or just a few days ago having a gun pointed at my head and testing my reaction.
Death, the ultimate transition.(for us earthlings )
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love is the soul, the body is only temporary :-)
we can leave the body at any time we wish, if training lucid dreaming enough
lucid dreams always feel real to me, as real as this reality, often more real
but I can't quite put words on why it feels more real...
maybe because you see that it is an illusion that you are not your body that the physics of ordinary reality is not as real as it seems to be that you fly out of your body and can see it from above that you meet intelligent entities/beings , and sometimes even dead people
what is more real and why?:-)
you can return to this body after the dream is over, but you might be in a lucid dream all your life without knowing it
the only difference between this world and lucid dream worlds seem to be that you cannot die in lucid dreams but you rarely seek death in ordinary life either... so you won't know if it is an illusion either till you die
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
#18961056 - 10/10/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mio said: love is the soul, the body is only temporary :-)
we can leave the body at any time we wish, if training lucid dreaming enough
lucid dreams always feel real to me, as real as this reality, often more real
but I can't quite put words on why it feels more real...
maybe because you see that it is an illusion that you are not your body that the physics of ordinary reality is not as real as it seems to be that you fly out of your body and can see it from above that you meet intelligent entities/beings , and sometimes even dead people
what is more real and why?:-)
you can return to this body after the dream is over, but you might be in a lucid dream all your life without knowing it
the only difference between this world and lucid dream worlds seem to be that you cannot die in lucid dreams but you rarely seek death in ordinary life either... so you won't know if it is an illusion either till you die
Yes I think you're quite right
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You always come back to the vessel man. Everytime. It may seem like a while but you always come back.
Death and DMT i believe are the same experience.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18961064 - 10/10/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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underfliptown said: You always come back to the vessel man. Everytime. It may seem like a while but you always come back.
Death and DMT i believe are the same experience.
In your experience, in this reality 
Death and DMT are the same experience? Not in my experience
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underfliptown said: You always come back to the vessel man. Everytime. It may seem like a while but you always come back.
Death and DMT i believe are the same experience.
In your experience, in this reality 
Death and DMT are the same experience? Not in my experience
could you elaborate?
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18961299 - 10/10/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you venture out of the 3rd Dimension you might not want to come back to this vessel because of how amazing the higher frequencies can be. Also I imagine an entity could take over your vessel under the right circumstances.
What do you mean by death and dmt are the same experience? I'll elaborate what I meant after you
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it's bliss once you leave your body each time
time leaves, only bliss and when you return it is sometimes like you have slept 10 years in 2-3 hours, renewed energy
all fear/worries/thoughts vanish when you leave your body , but fear can sometimes/often follow you in the air too (various creatures you try to get away from)
start to feel light, float, then pure bliss for hours maybe thats why I like it better than this reality often / they feel more real
can do everything I can in this reality+more
better than the best trip, better visuals too, all senses work and also extra senses like feeling the energy of certain creatures even when they're in different rooms
there seems to be a difference between normal dreams (unconscious) and lucid dreams(conscious) normal dreams often seems to reflect our subconscious... life events,thoughts,secret desires,emotions etc.. and often are very "random", almost chaotic scenes.. (freud liked to analyze dreams .. I don't think they're random personally, I think they say something to you) but lucid dreams are completely different... they often have a meaningful scene you are still at home where you went to bed... you start to float, feel light, levitate, fly out into the garden above the high trees/grass fields , then over the whole city :-) and intelligent beings that seems to be not from this dimensions, usually not pleasant ones
pretty good simulation 
real is just a switch in the brain, I don't consider dreams,lucid dreams less real than this reality there is something to be learned from each, I believe what fits my experience
the best way I've found to protect myself against these beings is by not fearing them, they feed of my fear... instead face them directly.. even when unpleasant and of course the general rules about living a healthy lifestyle that helps pure thoughts
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
#18961614 - 10/10/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A very weird thing happened last time I tried to face these beings/shadows in my own house (lucid dream) powerloss in the whole city+house , so kinda dark inside (but still good sight)
they were in the entrance, could feel it, felt very evil
so went out there but my vision went completely white, felt like fainting/going unconscious and like it attacked me, very unpleasant
so had to go back into my living room, then my vision came back
then I went out there again same thing happened, couldn't see anything
felt very evil etc :-)
there was a portal in the top of the ceiling and insects flying down, attacking me and could feel some being out there
when I went back into the living room again my vision came back again like prior
usually see shadows in those lucid dreams, and they often come down on me/retreat into other rooms of my house/the kitchen , but can usually still feel their presence there from other rooms (always feels very evil, sense a presence, know it is out there and it wants to harm me it feels like)
could fly around in the whole city in that dream.. but everything was dark this time... power loss everywhere
weird lucid dream ;-) they're pretty hard to interpret when they're not about persons I know or about stuff that I can related to in everyday life
it feels like the same beings that try to chase me in the air for hours sometimes... they feel evil too :-)
haven't had any LDs recently, but got a lot less fear than before, so wonder how they will turn out
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
#18961648 - 10/10/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Define real and reality ... it's a fun exercises
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: Deckard_Cain]
#18961827 - 10/10/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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dream: something you can wake up from, and you cannot die reality: what you accept blindly/from logic (thoughts) real: same as reality , different for everybody
but maybe reality=dream so:
you accept blindly/from thoughts something you can wake up from and where you cant die
something which you can never verify/check, before you die or before you have a 'wake up' experience :-)
take the red pill , dive deep the rabbit hole, but this time let go of all thoughts, see where it takes you did it take you back to how you were before? or did something change?
feels pretty much like a wake up experience, and like you've been sleeping all your life in a body
experiencing is believing, it's not pleasant at first 
know thyself, that's a good phrase/truth
psytrance is essential to letting go, without it it is very hard to get rid of all thoughts imo
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#18962714 - 10/11/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mio said: we can leave the body at any time we wish, if training lucid dreaming enough [...] that you fly out of your body and can see it from above that you meet intelligent entities/beings , and sometimes even dead people [...] start to feel light, float, then pure bliss for hours maybe thats why I like it better than this reality often / they feel more real [...] could fly around in the whole city in that dream..
What you have experienced and just explained seems to be an transition into Astral realms, not merely a Lucid Dream. This is commonly known as Astral Projection, please do Google it and learn about it as it is very real. Please note that I could be wrong though. Your experience could be a Lucid Dream, i.e. only a projection of your thoughts. Astral Travel/Projection is when your physical Astral body leaves our worldly body. In the Astral plane you will most likely encounter entities. This experience is also much more intense than a normal dream, be it a conscious one or not. Who knows if the answer to this phenomenon lies in the chemical nature of our brain. Though, this explanation cannot explain encounters with seemingly intelligent entities, dead people and simultaneously Travelling astral bodies.
For someone reading this the first time, thinking it's new-age BS, please put your ignorance aside and do some research. When so many people have experienced the same, is it really BS then?
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: bulipap]
#18963011 - 10/11/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am going to start keeping a journal of all my dreams. I am quite excited for this. I already started today.
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
#18963160 - 10/11/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's pretty obvious dreams aren't real, you seem to be struggling to distinguish reality from fantasy, you should start laying off the drugs.
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psilocybinjunkie said: It's pretty obvious dreams aren't real, you seem to be struggling to distinguish reality from fantasy, you should start laying off the drugs.
Weak troll, all you got?
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It's not a troll and if you wanna talk crap shoot me a pm, don't drag things off topic.
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psilocybinjunkie said: It's not a troll and if you wanna talk crap shoot me a pm, don't drag things off topic.
I don't think anyone is having troubles distinguishing which realities they are experiencing.
I'm not 'talking crap' I just thought you were either trolling or being douchey with your "laying off the drugs" comment.
Dreams aren't real? Why is this reality RIGHT NOW anymore real than other places we can go with our consciousness? Are you just a body? Is what you see on psychs just hallucinations?
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Dreams aren't real for obvious reasons... I can dream there is a pile of doughnuts or a million dollars sitting in the kitchen, when I wake up neither of them will be there. That is reality. All the rest is just philosophical talk from surrealist perspectives.
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I love this thread. Thanks to anyone who has contributed!
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psilocybinjunkie said: Dreams aren't real for obvious reasons... I can dream there is a pile of doughnuts or a million dollars sitting in the kitchen, when I wake up neither of them will be there. That is reality. All the rest is just philosophical talk from surrealist perspectives.
"Have you ever had a dream, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?" (lucid dreaming)
-The matrix quote
you seem to be claiming that 'objective reality' is real.. if there even is an objective reality..
you could be living your whole life in a dream... you would never know that is how real lucid dreams feel...
of course you would have to experience one to know....... not just a regular dream... lucid dreams are... different
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
#18964494 - 10/11/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Abstain from eating and drinking water for 3 weeks, in your dreams you may eat and drink, in reality you'll be dead from dehydration and malnourishment. Dreams are just that... A dream..
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