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Invisiblelessismore
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18961045 - 10/10/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

love is the soul, the body is only temporary :-)

we can leave the body at any time we wish, if training lucid dreaming enough

lucid dreams always feel real to me, as real as this reality, often more real

but I can't quite put words on why it feels more real...

maybe because you see that it is an illusion that you are not your body
that the physics of ordinary reality is not as real as it seems to be
that you fly out of your body and can see it from above
that you meet intelligent entities/beings , and sometimes even dead people

what is more real and why?:-)

you can return to this body after the dream is over, but you might be in a lucid dream all your life without knowing it

the only difference between this world and lucid dream worlds seem to be that you cannot die in lucid dreams
but you rarely seek death in ordinary life either... so you won't know if it is an illusion either till you die


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
    #18961056 - 10/10/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mio said:
love is the soul, the body is only temporary :-)

we can leave the body at any time we wish, if training lucid dreaming enough

lucid dreams always feel real to me, as real as this reality, often more real

but I can't quite put words on why it feels more real...

maybe because you see that it is an illusion that you are not your body
that the physics of ordinary reality is not as real as it seems to be
that you fly out of your body and can see it from above
that you meet intelligent entities/beings , and sometimes even dead people

what is more real and why?:-)

you can return to this body after the dream is over, but you might be in a lucid dream all your life without knowing it

the only difference between this world and lucid dream worlds seem to be that you cannot die in lucid dreams
but you rarely seek death in ordinary life either... so you won't know if it is an illusion either till you die




Yes I think you're quite right :sunny:


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Offlineunderfliptown
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18961059 - 10/10/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You always come back to the vessel man. Everytime. It may seem like a while but you always come back.

Death and DMT i believe are the same experience.


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InvisibleMystiqueMushroom

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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
    #18961064 - 10/10/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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underfliptown said:
You always come back to the vessel man. Everytime. It may seem like a while but you always come back.

Death and DMT i believe are the same experience.



In your experience, in this reality :shrug:

Death and DMT are the same experience? Not in my experience


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18961212 - 10/10/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MystiqueMushroom said:
Quote:

underfliptown said:
You always come back to the vessel man. Everytime. It may seem like a while but you always come back.

Death and DMT i believe are the same experience.



In your experience, in this reality :shrug:

Death and DMT are the same experience? Not in my experience




could you elaborate?


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InvisibleMystiqueMushroom

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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
    #18961299 - 10/10/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you venture out of the 3rd Dimension you might not want to come back to this vessel because of how amazing the higher frequencies can be. Also I imagine an entity could take over your vessel under the right circumstances.

What do you mean by death and dmt are the same experience?
I'll elaborate what I meant after you


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Invisiblelessismore
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18961447 - 10/10/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it's bliss once you leave your body each time

time leaves, only bliss
and when you return it is sometimes like you have slept 10 years in 2-3 hours, renewed energy

all fear/worries/thoughts vanish when you leave your body , but fear can sometimes/often follow you in the air too (various creatures you try to get away from)

start to feel light, float, then pure bliss for hours
maybe thats why I like it better than this reality often / they feel more real

can do everything I can in this reality+more

better than the best trip, better visuals too, all senses work and also extra senses
like feeling the energy of certain creatures even when they're in different rooms


there seems to be a difference between normal dreams (unconscious) and lucid dreams(conscious)
normal dreams often seems to reflect our subconscious... life events,thoughts,secret desires,emotions etc..  and often are very "random", almost chaotic scenes.. (freud liked to analyze dreams .. I don't think they're random personally, I think they say something to you)
but lucid dreams are completely different... they often have a meaningful scene
you are still at home where you went to bed... you start to float, feel light, levitate, fly out into the garden above the high trees/grass fields , then over the whole city :-)
and intelligent beings that seems to be not from this dimensions, usually not pleasant ones

pretty good simulation :wink:

real is just a switch in the brain, I don't consider dreams,lucid dreams less real than this reality
there is something to be learned from each, I believe what fits my experience

the best way I've found to protect myself against these beings is by not fearing them, they feed of my fear...
instead face them directly.. even when unpleasant
and of course the general rules about living a healthy lifestyle that helps pure thoughts


Edited by lessismore (10/10/13 09:23 PM)


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Invisiblelessismore
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
    #18961614 - 10/10/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A very weird thing happened last time I tried to face these beings/shadows in my own house (lucid dream)
powerloss in the whole city+house , so kinda dark inside (but still good sight)

they were in the entrance, could feel it, felt very evil

so went out there but my vision went completely white, felt like fainting/going unconscious and like it attacked me, very unpleasant

so had to go back into my living room, then my vision came back

then I went out there again same thing happened, couldn't see anything

felt very evil etc :-)

there was a portal in the top of the ceiling and insects flying down, attacking me
and could feel some being out there

when I went back into the living room again my vision came back again like prior

usually see shadows in those lucid dreams, and they often come down on me/retreat into other rooms of my house/the kitchen , but can usually still feel their presence there from other rooms (always feels very evil, sense a presence, know it is out there and it wants to harm me it feels like)

could fly around in the whole city in that dream.. but everything was dark this time... power loss everywhere

weird lucid dream ;-)
they're pretty hard to interpret when they're not about persons I know or about stuff that I can related to in everyday life

it feels like the same beings that try to chase me in the air for hours sometimes...
they feel evil too :-)

haven't had any LDs recently, but got a lot less fear than before, so wonder how they will turn out


Edited by lessismore (10/10/13 10:13 PM)


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
    #18961648 - 10/10/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Define real and reality ...
it's a fun exercises :wink:


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Invisiblelessismore
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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: Deckard_Cain]
    #18961827 - 10/10/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

dream: something you can wake up from, and you cannot die
reality: what you accept blindly/from logic (thoughts)
real: same as reality , different for everybody

but maybe reality=dream so:

you accept blindly/from thoughts  something you can wake up from and where you cant die

something which you can never verify/check, before you die or before you have a 'wake up' experience :-)

take the red pill :wink: , dive deep the rabbit hole, but this time let go of all thoughts, see where it takes you
did it take you back to how you were before? or did something change?

feels pretty much like a wake up experience, and like you've been sleeping all your life in a body

experiencing is believing, it's not pleasant at first :wink:

know thyself, that's a good phrase/truth

psytrance is essential to letting go, without it it is very hard to get rid of all thoughts imo


Edited by lessismore (10/10/13 11:14 PM)


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #18962714 - 10/11/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mio said:
we can leave the body at any time we wish, if training lucid dreaming enough
[...]
that you fly out of your body and can see it from above
that you meet intelligent entities/beings , and sometimes even dead people
[...]
start to feel light, float, then pure bliss for hours
maybe thats why I like it better than this reality often / they feel more real
[...]
could fly around in the whole city in that dream..




What you have experienced and just explained seems to be an transition into Astral realms, not merely a Lucid Dream. This is commonly known as Astral Projection, please do Google it and learn about it as it is very real. Please note that I could be wrong though. Your experience could be a Lucid Dream, i.e. only a projection of your thoughts. Astral Travel/Projection is when your physical Astral body leaves our worldly body. In the Astral plane you will most likely encounter entities. This experience is also much more intense than a normal dream, be it a conscious one or not. Who knows if the answer to this phenomenon lies in the chemical nature of our brain. Though, this explanation cannot explain encounters with seemingly intelligent entities, dead people and simultaneously Travelling astral bodies.

For someone reading this the first time, thinking it's new-age BS, please put your ignorance aside and do some research. When so many people have experienced the same, is it really BS then?


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: bulipap]
    #18963011 - 10/11/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am going to start keeping a journal of all my dreams. I am quite excited for this. I already started today.


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: underfliptown]
    #18963160 - 10/11/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's pretty obvious dreams aren't real, you seem to be struggling to distinguish reality from fantasy, you should start laying off the drugs.


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InvisibleMystiqueMushroom

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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18963693 - 10/11/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psilocybinjunkie said:
It's pretty obvious dreams aren't real, you seem to be struggling to distinguish reality from fantasy, you should start laying off the drugs.



Weak troll, all you got?


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18964170 - 10/11/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's not a troll and if you wanna talk crap shoot me a pm, don't drag things off topic.


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18964193 - 10/11/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psilocybinjunkie said:
It's not a troll and if you wanna talk crap shoot me a pm, don't drag things off topic.



I don't think anyone is having troubles distinguishing which realities they are experiencing.

I'm not 'talking crap' I just thought you were either trolling or being douchey with your "laying off the drugs" comment.

Dreams aren't real?
Why is this reality RIGHT NOW anymore real than other places we can go with our consciousness?
Are you just a body? Is what you see on psychs just hallucinations?


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18964295 - 10/11/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dreams aren't real for obvious reasons...
I can dream there is a pile of doughnuts or a million dollars sitting in the kitchen, when I wake up neither of them will be there. That is reality. All the rest is just philosophical talk from surrealist perspectives.


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18964433 - 10/11/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I love this thread. Thanks to anyone who has contributed! :mushroom2:


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18964442 - 10/11/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psilocybinjunkie said:
Dreams aren't real for obvious reasons...
I can dream there is a pile of doughnuts or a million dollars sitting in the kitchen, when I wake up neither of them will be there. That is reality. All the rest is just philosophical talk from surrealist perspectives.




"Have you ever had a dream, that you were so sure was real?
What if you were unable to wake from that dream?
How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?"
(lucid dreaming)

-The matrix quote

you seem to be claiming that 'objective reality' is real..
if there even is an objective reality..

you could be living your whole life in a dream... you would never know
that is how real lucid dreams feel...

of course you would have to experience one to know.......
not just a regular dream... lucid dreams are... different


Edited by lessismore (10/11/13 03:10 PM)


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Re: what makes dreams any less real? [Re: lessismore]
    #18964494 - 10/11/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Abstain from eating and drinking water for 3 weeks, in your dreams you may eat and drink, in reality you'll be dead from dehydration and malnourishment. Dreams are just that... A dream..


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