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Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars
    #18958923 - 10/10/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey there!

So a quick intro. This is my first successful project thus far (last attempt was completely contaminated) and I've taken the go big or go home approach. Not trying to be cocky, I just plan to share these freely with a large group of people and due to limited time I chose to start a lot of jars at once.

So far I have half the jars consolidating and the rest are a few days away from consolidation themselves. I made 96 jars and only 4 seem to be having any issues. :grin: But I'm coming to the realization that there are many directions i can take from doing multiple standard SGFC's to converting these PF tek cakes into a bulk grow to maximize volume. I'm willing to invest 150-200$ to make sure they come out well, just curious what you guys think my best next step would be. I've toyed around with the idea of building a martha, just not sure if the size would be adequate.

So should i continue with the PF tek or do bulk? Maybe do a mix of both and get learning experience from both?

PS: I'm looking to have these fruited and dried by the end of the month ideally and i'm 19 days in so far.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18959007 - 10/10/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bulk. Spawn to coir. About your timetable, good luck. Do a sgfc for several cakes and hope you have fruits by then.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18959033 - 10/10/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well, if you go bulk, you're looking at 1+ months as you basically start over in the bulk substrate, so take that into account.

If you're wanting to build a big terrarium (fruiting chamber)on a very limited budget, here's what I did. I first started out with PF Cakes about 8 years ago and on a limited budget, I just went to HomeDepot and bought those 2'x4' 3/4" Styrofoam sheets. They are like $6 or so bucks each.

I just silicone sealed the Styrofoam base sheets together, then the sides to the base. I bought those cheap flourescent light clear covers (go to any store and look up, you'll see flourescent bulbs in the roof and covered by those clear covers to let the light shine through). Anyways, I bought some of those, laid it on top, cut a hole in the side of the fruiting chamber for the hose from my humidifier to go through, and bingo bango, cheap as hell fruiting chamber.

If you have a table to stick it on, that would be ideal (will have to be a dining room type table). If you have to have it on the floor because nothing is large enough to hold it, then try to either sanitize as best you can a tile floor in an area that doesn't get any foot traffic and stick it on the floor. If you can only swing sticking it on carpet, try to line the carpet with plastic first to keep all the crap in carpets that vacuums can't get up from contaminating your batch. Plastic rolls can be found at HomeDepot as well.

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: BigPete1999]
    #18959137 - 10/10/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good looks on the advice BigPete. Looks like I will be sticking with the cakes!

As to the Styrofoam fruiting chamber, I honestly don't have that much room :frown:

I was thinking of double stacking the cakes in a SGFC but I feel like that won't work because they are half pint regular mouth jars and would possibly tip over.

How many half pint regular mouth jars do you guys think could fit in a regular martha?


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18959206 - 10/10/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't try to fruit 96 cakes, smh. Use the majority of them for bulk. In the meantime fruit several in a sgfc so you have fruits in the meantime.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: BigPete1999]
    #18959208 - 10/10/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

90+ PF jars :thumbdown:

Recycle the jars and move on to grains.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18959240 - 10/10/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18959446 - 10/10/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He should bulk them all, but he wants them by the end of the month. They won't even be ready to go in the FC by the end of the month if he spawns to bulk. He's stuck between a rock and a very hard place.

The most jars I think I ever fruited at once was 48 (cause that was 4 12packs). It went without a hitch. Got 3 flushes from them and lots of fruit.

But if he doesn't have the space to do it right, then he should go bulk and ditch this "by the end of THIS month" expectation.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18959518 - 10/10/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If they are consolidated, then put them in a SGFC and you could possibly have fruits next week.

If they are not consolidated, then you can spawn them to bulk and possibly have fruits in 2-3 weeks.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: BigPete1999]
    #18959521 - 10/10/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can stack the regular half pints in a SGFC. If you're having trouble use a couple tooth picks to hold them together. I would definitely put some tin foil between them or the bottom cake will get soggy.

Like said above you're going to have to fruit them as cakes if you want yields quicker.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18959542 - 10/10/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Nakor420]
    #18963727 - 10/11/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the advice guys and I definitely will post some pics!

I see where you guys come from in some of your attitudes about doing so many jars and the fact that its my first successful time doing it thus far. But I wanted to do PFtek because its the best way to learn so thats what I'm doing

I assure you though that I'm not retarded nor cocky for that matter, I'm just doing it this way because thats just the way the cookie crumbles in this given situation.

I set off with such a large goal not to make money fast but to share with 100+ people and  with the time allotted too me recently this is just how I got to do it. I hope you all can get behind me on that thought.

Looks like I'm either going to buy or build a small greenhouse to do these in and hopefully they will all fit.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18963729 - 10/11/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Worst case scenario is you'll have to buy a bunch of perlite, 8 lights, and 8 fruiting chambers large enough to hold 12 cakes each.

My advice will be don't stack the cakes, they won't perform as well.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18963740 - 10/11/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You'll get higher yields and larger fruits spawning to bulk rather than fruiting the cakes directly.... js


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18964191 - 10/11/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Good looks on the advice BigPete. Looks like I will be sticking with the cakes!

As to the Styrofoam fruiting chamber, I honestly don't have that much room :frown:

I was thinking of double stacking the cakes in a SGFC but I feel like that won't work because they are half pint regular mouth jars and would possibly tip over.

How many half pint regular mouth jars do you guys think could fit in a regular martha?





So can you please post a picture of your Half Pint regular mouth jars, and explain how you are planning on getting the cakes out?

Dude I just got done with 24 cakes in 4 sgfc, 90 cakes is insane. That is like 15 SGFC's, and like 18 bags of Perlite. Unless you can get it in bulk. Your better off taking those cakes and throwing them in an outdoor grow.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Sockadin]
    #18964205 - 10/11/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Good looks on the advice BigPete. Looks like I will be sticking with the cakes!

As to the Styrofoam fruiting chamber, I honestly don't have that much room :frown:

I was thinking of double stacking the cakes in a SGFC but I feel like that won't work because they are half pint regular mouth jars and would possibly tip over.

How many half pint regular mouth jars do you guys think could fit in a regular martha?





So can you please post a picture of your Half Pint regular mouth jars, and explain how you are planning on getting the cakes out?

Dude I just got done with 24 cakes in 4 sgfc, 90 cakes is insane. That is like 15 SGFC's, and like 18 bags of Perlite. Unless you can get it in bulk. Your better off taking those cakes and throwing them in an outdoor grow.




That's all I ever used. They come out just as easy. :shrug:
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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18964211 - 10/11/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Those are even the wrong size jars.

You want the short half pints.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: PussyFart]
    #18964795 - 10/11/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If I could have found some wide mouth half pints, that would have been awesome. However that was not the case.

The outdoor grow idea has definitely crossed my mind. What do you think the time table is for something like that?


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18964876 - 10/11/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Worst case scenario is you'll have to buy a bunch of perlite, 8 lights, and 8 fruiting chambers large enough to hold 12 cakes each.

My advice will be don't stack the cakes, they won't perform as well.



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there's 24 cakes in each one of these tubs...


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if anything the crowded space promotes better growth as the cakes provide the ambient atmosphere for each other... kind of a one hand washes the other thing.

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Doc_D]
    #18965109 - 10/11/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thats exactly what I like to see, I was interested about crowding.

I debated it with my mentor of sorts and I'm gonna invest in doing a Martha with hopefully 5 shelves. I figure with the amount of jars it will definitely be worth the investment for what I'm trying to do. Hopefully the optimal conditions that I hope it will provide should help the whole process.

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: PussyFart]
    #18965198 - 10/11/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are even the wrong size jars.

You want the short half pints.




Hey NAH I know you're a smart good guy that has awesome contributions but do you speak from experience on this or the rhetoric of the forums? Because all I have ever used is the regular mouth half pints because the wide mouth are impossible to find and routinely are not even available on amazon. I have never once had a jar stall, never had lower than average yields(I get at the very least 4dry grams always from them) I have even had good success with full pint jars, but they do take forever to colonize but have never stalled. Sure I would advocate getting the wide mouth if available since they're recommended by all of the people who have been around the block but at the same time to completely dismiss the tall half pints is pretty ridiculous IMO since they work amazingly well in practice.

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if anything the crowded space promotes better growth as the cakes provide the ambient atmosphere for each other... kind of a one hand washes the other thing.

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I can agree with this. I have never had problems stacking cakes. The tall half pints stack well too. Like I said earlier here use a toothpick or two if you have trouble and make sure tin foil is between the cakes. Stacked cakes perform just as well as non-stacked IMO and it's just a better use of space.


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    #18965272 - 10/11/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Nakor420]
    #18965294 - 10/11/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

as for people worrying about crowding PF cakes. A bulk substrate is just a assload of square cakes really crowded together. Think about a monotub it's only got surface area on the top. We worry about fruiting conditions FAE,RH,Light,temperature. Those are way more important than surface area. As long as you have a enough surface for pinning and optimum fruiting conditions then the cake will produce what It was always going to produce, in my experience. Don't forget Mycellium is a network made to carry nutrients to fruit bodies.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18967477 - 10/12/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Scratch the idea of the Martha, I didn't realize they weren't that good with cakes. Since I'm gonna spend a few days away at one time i think i'm gonna end up making a few PMP's.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18967574 - 10/12/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think you should try several methods with that many jars, but if you're just dying to get something quickly I think the multiple SGFC approach will be a good bet, I've got results so far on my first grow with it and I sometimes only mist twice a day due to my work schedule.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: SynKyd]
    #18971333 - 10/13/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alright guys,

you did it (rightly so too)

I'm going to do a few SGFC's and I may even stack the cakes.

After much research through old and new info it seems they are my best bet...yes, you guys were right...:smirk:

But hey, wish me luck guys! Hopefully this turns out like i've been dreaming!

What do you guys think of using a 50 gallon tub for a SGFC?


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18971342 - 10/13/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are even the wrong size jars.

You want the short half pints.




Hey NAH I know you're a smart good guy that has awesome contributions but do you speak from experience on this or the rhetoric of the forums? Because all I have ever used is the regular mouth half pints because the wide mouth are impossible to find and routinely are not even available on amazon. I have never once had a jar stall, never had lower than average yields(I get at the very least 4dry grams always from them) I have even had good success with full pint jars, but they do take forever to colonize but have never stalled. Sure I would advocate getting the wide mouth if available since they're recommended by all of the people who have been around the block but at the same time to completely dismiss the tall half pints is pretty ridiculous IMO since they work amazingly well in practice.



Yes I speak from experience, and I also repeat what is constantly said on the forums.

They tend to stall for some people, now this could be from many reasons, but the main reason is the substrate gets compacted towards the bottom, which is actually what I experiences with my first few grows...I documented at least one of them here.

Now this does not mean they will do this for everyone, but it can and does happen, the search results speak for themselves.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: PussyFart]
    #18971381 - 10/13/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I tried both kinds of jars when I was doing cakes and I had success with both. However I saw much faster colonization times with the wide mouth jars and they fruited just as good if not better than the tall skinny jars.

The fact of the matter is that you never see people having trouble with the wide mouth jars stalling on the bottom but we see it all the time with the tall skinny jars. If you put the substrate in the tall jars really loose and have course verm then you probably won't have a problem. Just remember what can work for you may not work for everyone. On average we have seen much better results on the board from the short wide mouth jars with no stalling issues. We can't say the same for the tall skinny jars


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Stromrider]
    #18971405 - 10/13/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

One question...how the hell do you get a cake out of a regular mouth jar? It tapers...

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    #18971411 - 10/13/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They make 1/2 pint jars both in wide mouth and in regular mouth, both tapered so the cakes just slide right out.

The tall ones are regular mouth, and the short ones are wide mouth.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18971442 - 10/13/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't read all the replys but good luck stacking cakes from regular jars, they'll fall over, I had a hard enough time keeping mine from falling over while fanning, and they were only single stacked.

If I was you I'd switch to bulk, its easier than dealing with that many cakes, and it's better.


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    #18971505 - 10/13/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't read all the replys but good luck stacking cakes from regular jars, they'll fall over, I had a hard enough time keeping mine from falling over while fanning, and they were only single stacked.

If I was you I'd switch to bulk, its easier than dealing with that many cakes, and it's better.




Yeah I have to agree. If you want more yield switch to grains and bulk growing. Doing an ass load of cakes is too much work imo.


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    #18971814 - 10/13/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Stromrider]
    #18971824 - 10/13/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I feel you guys and I am living and learning with this one.

Bulk is definitely the next step if all goes well here! :grin:

And yeah Stromrider I like that advice. In a fortunate turn of events I forgot to tamp down most of the jars I filled, making for a pretty loose mixture that colonized very well! If I ever do jars again though I will definitely be using wide mouths and tamp them down. My mistake just happened to help a little this time it seems.

I'll get some pics up when the babies get birthed.

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    #18971860 - 10/13/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18972881 - 10/13/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's only 12 5/8inches tall.

After the perlite you'll only have ~8inches between the perlite and the lid, then after the cakes you'll only have like ~4inches between the cakes and lid.

so idk, it should work as long as none of them get too tall I guess.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18972908 - 10/13/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Even if they do get tall, it'll be fine. They'll just curl over. If they wanna pop your lid off, weigh it down with something.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Stromrider]
    #18974184 - 10/13/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18975478 - 10/14/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: Stromrider]
    #18988961 - 10/16/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I have my cakes soaking overnight and I'm wondering If I should roll them due to my time restriction =/

I have already had a very small amount of pinning but they seem ready to go. I'm hoping to have my first flush harvested and dried in 13 days.

Could I roll them in dry verm and still keep my deadline? thus far they have been quick to colonize and I'm praying they don't decide to be sons a bitches and not pin. Only time will tell.

Thanks again for the advice :mushroom2:


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: mannyfester]
    #18990479 - 10/17/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't skip any steps. Roll them.

You work on their time. The mushies are the boss of this operation, and you can't make them do anything they don't want to.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18990490 - 10/17/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #18990496 - 10/17/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: PussyFart]
    #18990509 - 10/17/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wanna see the FC for 90+ cakes.


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Re: Advice needed: fruiting chamber for 90+ jars [Re: maddchef]
    #18990906 - 10/17/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are three 110 qt chambers for this one.

And I didn't skip the roll. I was in a bit of a misguided haze when i posted last night. :rasta:

They are safely in their chambers though ready to go. :grin:


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