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When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. * 3
    #18958504 - 10/10/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So I've been thinking about death a lot, and have come to the conclusion that death is equivalent to a deep, dreamless sleep. Your perception of yourself, this world, time, everything really, is null and void; just like a dreamless sleep. Except in the case of death you just never wake up. How have I come to the conclusion that when you die you return to nothingness? Easy. What makes us who we are? Our memories of course. Our experiences and the growth we go through as people is only possible because of our brains unique memory storage capabilities. If we had no memory, we would have no concept of a past self, or future self. Only a primal RIGHT NOW self, which can only think and react instinctually and emotionally. It's because of this concept of past self and future self that we are able to be so... conscious. Now, since our memories are stored, processed, and relived all by the brain, it's logically conclusive that when the brain dies, in other words you die, so do your memories. All of that life experience, all of that raw experiential data you built up over the years, poof. Dust in the wind. You as a person, being that person because of your memories, cease to exist.

Now as for death anxiety, I don't really understand it. Sure life is bitterly beautiful, but at the end of yours, you're gonna be tired, if you lived that is. This place is a bizarre mystery, and I'm sure it's gonna leave us all confused enough for a lifetime. So why the anxiety from returning to nothingness, you did come from there after all. Instead of seeing death as some awfully dark and inescapable fact of life, or using religion to escape the fact altogether... Why not see death as a return to an old friend. Finally you get some peace of mind. Doesn't seem so bad to me.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18958624 - 10/10/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I like how you brought it across, very articulate and logical.
I personally think you are accurate on all accounts, but that me and you understand far to little to make any conclusive statements on the matter.
I also personally believe your soul has a personality, not all of what makes you, you, is stored in the physical brain.

Great writing sir.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: stellarshnap] * 3
    #18958632 - 10/10/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of assumptions not a lot of proof


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18958645 - 10/10/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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stellarshnap said:
Now as for death anxiety, I don't really understand it.




You stop living? You will no longer be able to experience life. Plus it causes others to be sad that you're no longer with them to experience life with.

I dont know about yourself, but there are still questions i need to know the answer to... and if i could live for centuries waiting for the answers to come, that'd be awesome.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: Repertoire89] * 4
    #18958802 - 10/10/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
A lot of assumptions not a lot of proof




This should satisfy your requirement:



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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18958839 - 10/10/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your reasoning on the matter is based solely on what you've gathered via your five senses. There is still a lot more that we don't know because our perceptions are limited, our senses imperfect. The data in the brain that you speak of could potentially die off with the cessation of the brain's functioning or it could continue on. After all, energy does not cease to be but rather continues on whilst donning alternate forms along the way. I do not have the authority to say that one thing happens and another thing doesn't, but I would encourage you, as well as everyone else, to continuously look outside of yourself and question EVERYTHING.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18958877 - 10/10/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The data in the brain that you speak of could potentially die off with the cessation of the brain's functioning or it could continue on. After all, energy does not cease to be but rather continues on whilst donning alternate forms along the way




Must we cover this fallacy once a month always spouted off by people with nary an understanding of physics? Please explain how data = energy?


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18958935 - 10/10/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I cannot explain to you how data equals energy, nor can I explain to you how data does not equal energy. You say I have nary an understanding of physics, and my reply to that is that I have just as much of an understanding as you do. Please Mr. Astrophysicist, explain to us this science in detail. Clearly you're an expert. Now, I am not claiming anything, I am not putting forth fallacious arguments; I'm simply throwing out possibilities in order to spark an interesting conversation. Of course, we always have gentlemen like yourself to come in and extinguish the conversation before it even ignites. Bravo sir, thanks for keeping these forums boring.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18958960 - 10/10/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

People fear death because its instinct. Do you think that the zebra's that didn't fear getting eaten by a lion lived to pass on their genetics? Interesting writing and honestly I've had very similar thoughts.:thumbup:


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18958994 - 10/10/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I cannot explain to you how data equals energy, nor can I explain to you how data does not equal energy.



Of course you cannot because there is no relationship.

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I am not putting forth fallacious arguments



Yet, you did.

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Clearly you're an expert.



Is that a valid conclusion from the information presented or mere emotionalism?

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I'm simply throwing out possibilities in order to spark an interesting conversation



A possibility starting with false assumptions and based on a misunderstanding of basic physics is not worthy of discussion.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18959039 - 10/10/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You win. You have successfully shown that my rambling is of no value. Maybe I shall quit pondering such matters as they appear to be useless.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18959043 - 10/10/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your reasoning on the matter is based solely on what you've gathered via your five senses. There is still a lot more that we don't know because our perceptions are limited, our senses imperfect. [...]




This. What is our consciousness (including memories, thoughts, feelings and the sense of now) does not derive from out brain, but rather from another place? Maybe it's all stored in what we call as our soul?
As this paradigm I read somewhere states, maybe only our physical brain works as a receptor of consciousness, much as a TV set receives the electromagnetic waves we call radio waves. Now if the TV set breaks, of course the TV signal continues. If our brain and body "dies", could the consciousness still not seize to exist?

Nothing in science actually indicates that it couldn't be like this..


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18959048 - 10/10/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
A lot of assumptions not a lot of proof




A lot of using proof interchangeably with evidence.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18959059 - 10/10/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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A possibility starting with false assumptions and based on a misunderstanding of basic physics is not worthy of discussion.




Who are you to say what a false assumption is? Is an assumption that isn't mainstream false to you?

Also, physics can not explain everything. It can explain that what we know, but what we don't know physics cannot explain. I hope you're not assuming that we as humans know everything there is to know.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18959062 - 10/10/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe I shall quit pondering such matters as they appear to be useless.




No please don't. We need open minded people like you at this forum.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: bulipap]
    #18959097 - 10/10/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well I have always believed in strict open-mindedness and in the questioning of everything, even to the point of utter exhaustion. Yet my simple statements are often taken the wrong way and stomped upon by the "scientific elite" that run rampant on these forums. You would think a place called Shroomery would be willing to go "out there", but it seems that getting the rocket ship to even leave the station is a task in itself.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: bulipap]
    #18959101 - 10/10/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Who are you to say what a false assumption is?



I am the mighty OC and am actually proud to be educated. Too many here are proud of their ignorance. It is not something to be cherished.

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Is an assumption that isn't mainstream false to you?



Huh? Can you posit a real question and not a false dichotomy?

How many joules in the letter 't'? The question makes no sense as data or information is not related to energy. The end.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18959115 - 10/10/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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ConfettiHead said:
Well I have always believed in strict open-mindedness and in the questioning of everything, even to the point of utter exhaustion. Yet my simple statements are often taken the wrong way and stomped upon by the "scientific elite" that run rampant on these forums. You would think a place called Shroomery would be willing to go "out there", but it seems that getting the rocket ship to even leave the station is a task in itself.




There was no taking them the wrong way. They were wrong. This is not opinion nor close-mindedness. If you start with nonsense, the conversation has nowhere to go.

How many more posts of butthurtedness will you present instead of reading the critique and admitting error? That is the mature thing to do.


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: teknix]
    #18959156 - 10/10/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:
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Repertoire89 said:
A lot of assumptions not a lot of proof




A lot of using proof interchangeably with evidence.




Already playing semantics goosebumps?
Can you provide proof or evidence for his argument?


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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #18959177 - 10/10/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OC, you claim to be educated and you falsely assume that everyone else here is not. Please if you don't mind, tell us your credentials, I'm curious.


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