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Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles
#18958858 - 10/10/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Got hit with another one of those "Let's wait for someone with a little experience to chime in!" comments, you know the 50ish post fools that always end their statements with , but Roger Rabbit says  Reckon it's my own fault for not sharing my progress. Going to try and make it up by posting a little edible thread I recently decided that the "Martha ain't big enough!" and dragged a 6'x8' GH out of the garage
 A little shade cloth, a couple humidifiers and I've been blowing out bucket grows like these     "Night Velvet" Shiitake like these  A little Red Reishi
 Some Lion's Mane
 A little Jane
 Todays project, bulking Hericium to a bran and gypsum enriched sawdust/woodchip blend
   A few upcoming projects
 Lot's more to come
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18958909 - 10/10/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow. thats awesome. i really hope to get on you level one day. im drooling over here dude.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18959536 - 10/10/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey how did u make this i like the shape. did the spawn colonize in a round bucket like the oysters are hanging in?
also your LC Jar lids look interesting I've never seen anything like that. What's going on there?
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Noobiesnack]
#18959643 - 10/10/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Skippydude, you pleasured me.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Noobiesnack]
#18961038 - 10/10/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey how did u make this i like the shape. did the spawn colonize in a round bucket like the oysters are hanging in?
also your LC Jar lids look interesting I've never seen anything like that. What's going on there?
The shiitake are spawned and colonized in large .02 micron synthetic filter patch bags. I use a .02 micron Whatman syringe filter on a 14g needle for GE on my LC jars.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18961697 - 10/10/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude, that is fantastic!! I have an outdoor walk in Martha myself that I am just now putting to use. Sure is nice to have the extra room over the standard model. Your oysters are crazy!! You selling those? No way could you eat them all! The shitakes look great too. Haven't tried the Night Velvet ones. There is always so much to do when you get down and serious with the edibles. It is tough when you are working a full time job or two! I check my greenhouse by flashlight after work and before work and patiently (or not) await the weekend.
Great job, and thanks for sharing!!
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Queen of Kings]
#18962157 - 10/10/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eff yeah skippy.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Queen of Kings]
#18962913 - 10/11/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Queen of Kings said: Dude, that is fantastic!! I have an outdoor walk in Martha myself that I am just now putting to use. Sure is nice to have the extra room over the standard model. Your oysters are crazy!! You selling those? No way could you eat them all! The shitakes look great too. Haven't tried the Night Velvet ones. There is always so much to do when you get down and serious with the edibles. It is tough when you are working a full time job or two! I check my greenhouse by flashlight after work and before work and patiently (or not) await the weekend.
Great job, and thanks for sharing!!
I was a carpenter for 24 years, after a little spinal damage & 4 back surgeries, unfortunately am now permanently disabled, so no work, the silver lining to my cloud is that I now have plenty of time to study mycology. Your right I can't eat all the mushies I grow! But my OCD won't let me slow down. As I'm trying to figure out the marketing side of this thing(with no luck at all) dried mushrooms are building up by the pounds. So you haven't tried "Night Velvet"? What are you working with? I'm always down for a trade Today I'm sterilizing wood for inoculation with the "Bell Weather" Shiitake strain.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18963064 - 10/11/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The pride and joy of my eddie collection
 A wild oyster mushroom that I cloned.  It was found by our trusted identifier RanD on a foray we did last fall. It's putting out some fatties.
 Second flush on these 5 gallon straw buckets of Pink Oysters is coming on strong  5th flush pinning on these Shiitake blocks  Can't wait for these PomPoms to mature
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18963337 - 10/11/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice work Skippy... Nice joint too.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18963607 - 10/11/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: I'm trying to figure out the marketing side of this thing(with no luck at all
Have you tried talking directly with chefs? That has always worked for me.
I often have to call many but that ain't no matter.
I always call and ask for the chef or sioux chef. And always respond with stuff like "Thank you chef." and "Hello, chef." They love that shit.
I swear it has helped me sell mushrooms before.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Ganzig]
#18964156 - 10/11/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Making Shiitake blocks today My recipe is a slightly tweaked version of Noobies tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/favlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=123901&F_Board=13&Thread=11942926&partnumber=&postmarker= I start with 16 cups of mixed hardwood wood stove fuel pellets, divided into 2 tubs
 I add 1/2 cup garden grade gypsum, 1 cup wheat bran and 9 cups boiling tap water to each tub (1 cup bran for Shiitake and 2 cups for all other eddies)
 After the pellets hydrate it gets mixed well and placed in 4 large size .02 micron filter patch bags
  While the sawdust is expanding, I have 20 cups of BBQ smoking wood chips boiling until most sink to the bottom
  Drain the excess water and divide the woodchips amongst the bags
 Then fold tyvek sleeves accordion style so the steam doesn't blow up the bags
  I use a 1 1/2" spacer for the bottom of the PC(AA930) so I can get plenty of water in there
 Over the spacer goes the first rack, then 2 bags with a couple mason jar lids around outside to allow steam circulation
 Another rack, 2 more bags, spacers and a 3rd rack over the top to keep the bags from blocking the vents and blowing up the kitchen
 Don't try this at home, but my fancy PC wouldn't push more than 14 psi So I added weight to the rocker and brought the pressure up to 17 lbs
  I'll PC these bags @ 17 PSI for 2 1/2 hours and let them cool over night
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18964204 - 10/11/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crazy. Those patches look like the .5 micron.
never mind. They totally look like the type A. And, your weight is probably correct by itself. I bet the gauge is what is off calibration. So you are probably cooking at like 20psi.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Ganzig]
#18964278 - 10/11/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was getting more than my share of contaminated grain before I adjusted the weight. This PC has a safety vent that pops at 20 PSI so I'm inclined to believe that my gauge is pretty accurate.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18964522 - 10/11/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow... Thanks for the post. I actually am about to try this myself with shiitakes and oysters. just obtained a bunch of hardwood fuel pellets, and have been sitting on the bran and gypsum. Do you use the same mix for oysters (i noted you said 2cups bran for everything besides shiitakes).
 Did you mix The sawdust/bran/gypsum mix in with the chips you laid on top? Or do you leave the wood chips on top so the sawdust mix is kinda separate or underneath the chips?
Also can you or someone explain this step to me? Did you fold the tvek sleeve along with the folds in the bag or did u just put a tyvek sleeve on top of the folded bag? I figured this is where the bag would get impulse sealed, but if you are using agar->grain and not LC->grain then I guess you would not want the bag sealed. Would they really blow up if you seal them first, and can they colonize fully without being 'impulse sealed'. I Have some bags I need to use up. I don't have a flowhood so I figured I would for sure need to seal the bags to keep contams out and that I would have to use an LC syringe. Can a bag like this actually be opened via SAB and inocculated with an agar slice without introducing contams? Or is this route only for those with a flowhood.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18964568 - 10/11/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: Making Shiitake blocks today My recipe is a slightly tweaked version of Noobies tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/favlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=123901&F_Board=13&Thread=11942926&partnumber=&postmarker= I start with 16 cups of mixed hardwood wood stove fuel pellets, divided into 2 tubs
 I add 1/2 cup garden grade gypsum, 1 cup wheat bran and 9 cups boiling tap water to each tub (1 cup bran for Shiitake and 2 cups for all other eddies)
 After the pellets hydrate it gets mixed well and placed in 4 large size .02 micron filter patch bags
  While the sawdust is expanding, I have 20 cups of BBQ smoking wood chips boiling until most sink to the bottom
  Drain the excess water and divide the woodchips amongst the bags
 Then fold tyvek sleeves accordion style so the steam doesn't blow up the bags
  I use a 1 1/2" spacer for the bottom of the PC(AA930) so I can get plenty of water in there
 Over the spacer goes the first rack, then 2 bags with a couple mason jar lids around outside to allow steam circulation
 Another rack, 2 more bags, spacers and a 3rd rack over the top to keep the bags from blocking the vents and blowing up the kitchen
 Don't try this at home, but my fancy PC wouldn't push more than 14 psi So I added weight to the rocker and brought the pressure up to 17 lbs
  I'll PC these bags @ 17 PSI for 2 1/2 hours and let them cool over night
so you put bags in and not jars? how does that work? wont the plastic melt? do you make them seal air tight or does the water get in?
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18965113 - 10/11/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: I was getting more than my share of contaminated grain before I adjusted the weight. This PC has a safety vent that pops at 20 PSI so I'm inclined to believe that my gauge is pretty accurate.
That makes sense.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Ganzig]
#18965187 - 10/11/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I used this recipe for oysters, yes I would double the bran I have to be honest though, oysters will do pretty good on wood, but they kick ass on straw, which is a cheaper, easier process. No need to mix sawdust with wood chips at this point, it will be thoroughly blended when I add the grain spawn The tyvek sleeve rests on the wood chips inside the bag and extends about 3" out of the top, then folded back and forth, this allows the expanding gases to escape as the wood cools I no longer use an impulse sealer, always double sealed everything and still got failures. Since I changed to twist ties I haven't had one contamination due to a bad seal. SABs are too cramped for inoculating these bags, before I had a flow hood I just did open air inoculations in the bathroom, early in the morning before the house woke up and started kicking up dust The bags are made of an autoclave able plastic, they were designed for this purpose.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18966732 - 10/12/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said:oysters kick ass on straw. No need to mix sawdust with wood chips at this point, it will be thoroughly blended when I add the grain spawn. twist ties.
OH that's interesting! so you don't seal the bags, inoculate the bags with grain spawn, and mix it up? Then apply a twist tie? Those bags don't look like they have much room for grain spawn, unless you use a low spawn ratio. Do you open the bag and mix it up by hand in the bag? judging by some of your pics it looks like you might mix it altogether in a 5gal bucket... but that might just be the oysters!
Thanks for the info and great pictures.
Edited by Noobiesnack (10/12/13 01:47 AM)
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Noobiesnack]
#18967899 - 10/12/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do the same as The Dude with the wire. I love it. I do not mix them by hand. Just kinda shake em up a bit.
Not sure how the dude does this.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Ganzig]
#18968092 - 10/12/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18968404 - 10/12/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you smoking? Hahaha. Like a boss.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Ganzig]
#18969751 - 10/12/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: Are you smoking? Hahaha. Like a boss.
Medicinal & spiritual purposes only 
Harvested the second flush of pink & wild oysters

Made a nice mushroom soup out of them

MUSHROOM SOUP RECIPE 10 cups mushrooms 1 onion chopped 3 cups chicken broth 1/4 teaspoon ground thyme 2 1/2 cups half & half 1/2 teaspoon sea salt 1/2 black pepper 6 tablespoons butter 6 tablespoons all purpose flour
1. Cook mushrooms, chicken broth, onion & thyme about 15 minutes, mushrooms should be nice and tender. Place in a blender and puree, leaving a few chunks and set aside.
2. In a 6 quart sauce pan melt butter and whisk in the flour, salt & pepper.
3. Once blended smooth, add in the half & half and the mushroom puree.
4. Stir & cook over medium heat until thick & bubbly
12 Servings(about a gallon)
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18972352 - 10/13/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can we get a pictorial for your oyster buckets kind of like the pics you did for the shiitake bags? 
great stuff!
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Noobiesnack]
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18976002 - 10/14/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lion's Mane is blowing up
 Shiitake is moving along nicely
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18976189 - 10/14/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice thread, good read
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18976392 - 10/14/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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skippydude said: Lion's Mane is blowing up
 Shiitake is moving along nicely 
hnnnnnggggn. dem pompoms! very nice.
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 These bags are "Hericium erinaceus" they do quite well on enriched mixed hardwood
I have 4q of "Hericium americanum" ready to bulk. I'm a little concerned since I did 4 straw bags recently of the americanum strain. It absolutely would not jump to the straw. My thoughts are since the strain tends to grow on acidic fir trees in the wild that the Hydrated lime used in the pasteurization process lowered the acidity too much. This cultures devours my gypsum soaked grain. I'm going to give the hardwood mix a try. If this experiment fails I'll have to break down and get a bag of Douglas fir wood stove fuel pellets and try again.
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18990560 - 10/17/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like Hericium americanum is off the table for now These grain spawn jars went south with what I'm guessing is a yeast bacteria  Looks like it's back to the lab with this culture. Gonna get it on a petri dish and see what's up. I'll have to get back to it, a nice gentleman in MI sent me some dishes that need attention first. I need to get these on slants for storage and grain for a test run Super Michigan Shiitake Espresso(Pearl) Oyster King Oyster Blue Oyster Pink Oyster

Wonder how intense the color of the fruits on this Pink Oyster dish will be. It looks nothing like my other Djamor culture pictured below
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18992606 - 10/17/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Too bad on the Hericium.
I was shocked when my pinks turned pink too!
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Ganzig]
#18999049 - 10/19/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Friday morning I was sterilizing grain
 Dog to the vet for lunch
 Poured dishes & slants for desert after dinner
 After all that my ass was whooped, so I left the FH running all night and did the transfers and grain inoculations in the morning
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18999319 - 10/19/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Should probably harvest this Hericium soon  5th flush on these "Night Velvet" Shiitake WOW!   Lost 2 blocks to the mean green so the Shiitake may be done for a bit, till the new blocks brown up
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#18999344 - 10/19/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Ganzig]
#18999567 - 10/19/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice work man!
Just curious how long you wait in-between your shiitake flushes and how you go about initiating them?
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Forrester]
#18999771 - 10/19/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Forrester said: Nice work man!
Just curious how long you wait in-between your shiitake flushes and how you go about initiating them?
No waiting, harvest the fruits, then just cold shock & rehydrate them by placing them in a bucket of cold water over night. They usually have a few pins already pop corning out on them starting the next flush at this point(dunking doesn't harm pins).
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#19008773 - 10/21/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pink oysters are done for the season I think it's too cool to fruit them now. These wild oysters don't seem to mind the cool weather
 My Lion's Mane may have gone a day too long(got slightly pink on top) What I heard about Hericium being dangerous to harvest sometimes, turned out to be true. I tripped over a water jug and shattered one of my pompoms 
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#19008939 - 10/21/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha, be careful!
What is your favorite way to eat hericium?
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: Ganzig]
#19009002 - 10/21/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I keep it simple, sauteed in butter with a pinch of sea salt & pepper Too much spice can mask the wonderful lobster like flavor Found out the hard way with my first pompoms and homegrown garlic
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generalsherman55
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Registered: 09/05/13
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#19009080 - 10/21/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
skippydude said: Pink oysters are done for the season I think it's too cool to fruit them now. These wild oysters don't seem to mind the cool weather
 My Lion's Mane may have gone a day too long(got slightly pink on top) What I heard about Hericium being dangerous to harvest sometimes, turned out to be true. I tripped over a water jug and shattered one of my pompoms 

damn dude. i am so jelly. i really wish i was on your level. thanks for the fb add btw
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Ran-D



Registered: 12/19/10
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Re: Martha ain't big enough! The dudes edibles [Re: skippydude]
#19051694 - 10/29/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn skippy you're a gangster! Sick grow man.
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