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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: mpd]
    #18958727 - 10/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bloodsheen said:
Um basically its because this country is secretly totally fucking bankrupt, and every year we spend more money while reducing taxes. Every time a democrat wants more spending people allow it cause its normally for a good cause, and every time a republican wants to reduce taxes people allow it cause, fuck, who wants to give the government more money?

Republicans hate to give money away (which is ironic considering the percentage of republicans that are dumb poor trailer trash who would actual profit from democrat programs). Republicans believe that because you didn't grow up in a mansion you aren't allowed to have basic health care. And due to their inability to sack up and tax people, there isn't really enough money to due so. And the worst part is that this bill is being implemented during a time in which our country is really REALLY fucking bankrupt and we are just now getting back on our feet.

So essentially the reason its bad is poor timing, racism (come on, you all know theres a little of that in everything the republicans do), no money, and the worst political atmosphere this country has ever known




When you lower the marginal rate of taxation it increases the number of people in the pool and this has the impact of lessening pressure on wages and investment, so investment increases and this triggers the demand schedule for wages and employment, thus creating even more tax receipts.  This has happened again and again and again in our history.  Lowering tax rates increases tax receipts.

The Republicans demanded a tax decrease and this year we are going to take in more money than ever before.  Square that with your rhetoric.




I find it highly unlikely that the Republicans have some sort of keen insight on where exactly to put us on the Laffer curve.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #18958798 - 10/10/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Konichiwaffle said:
Yeah dude, I'm talking 300+ lbs.  Far exceeding their normal BMI.  People who already have health-related issues primarily because of their obesity.

I would say on average, I get patients 300+ lbs 3 out of the 5 days I work with type II diabetes, pvcs, apnea, high blood pressure, etc.

Many patients actually come in our lab with a Big Gulp.  I live in the South, by the way.



Ohhhhh:lolsy: I see.

I'm in the south as well and I know what your taking about 300+ are everywhere!


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: qman]
    #18958809 - 10/10/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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if you wanted to have lower health care costs, you eliminate malpractice lawsuits, the greedy lawyers didn't want Obama Care to change that aspect of the US system.

If you really wanted to lower health care costs, you change the way you practice medicine in the last 2 years of a persons life, you don't blow 90% of a persons lifetime health care costs when they are already 3/4's dead. A universal health care system doesn't allow for blowing $700,000 in the last year of a persons life, it's called basic commonsense, something that US health care does not practice, and Obama Care doesn't change a dam thing.




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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #18958831 - 10/10/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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fuck obama. Hes going to fine the american people if they refuse to get a healthcare policy. I don't want to pay $250 a month when I'm healthy as a horse. Thats around 3000 dollars a fuckin year!




So pay the penalty like I suspect a great many will do.

It's but $95.00 per person or 1% of your previous years income, whichever is the greater.

Even in 2016 the max penalty is $695.00 per person or 2.5% of income. Imagine what your 3000.00 per year policy will cost then!


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18959875 - 10/10/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:
fuck obama. Hes going to fine the american people if they refuse to get a healthcare policy. I don't want to pay $250 a month when I'm healthy as a horse. Thats around 3000 dollars a fuckin year!




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The fine for not getting coverage is cheaper than paying the tax itself and it's not even arrestable they just garnish that shit from your return.  If you have a good accountant or can do it yourself then you just make sure you get exactly $0 tax return and don't pay the fine at all and voila you're off the hook and the system crumbles away because that's what everyone else will be doing too.

This is going to be a shit show.




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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18959900 - 10/10/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i'm not sure--still hasn't shown me his birth certificate



He published his birth certificate on the white house website years ago, bro.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Enlil]
    #18959925 - 10/10/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Personally I will not be satisfied unless he can come up actual footage of the birth that clearly shows in a continuous shot that it took place in Hawaii on the claimed date. Ideally it would start out as one of those shots they do in movies where it zooms in from space.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Enlil]
    #18959942 - 10/10/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You mean his team of decepticons published a fictional birth certificate they printed that morning to quell opposition to The Savior


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18959950 - 10/10/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
This is a totally bullshit socialist takeover of the system.



Socialist? Look, when you throw around terms like socialist without fully understanding what it means, it does nothing but discredit you.

Socialism =  “a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.”


I don't see how keeping your fellow countrymen healthy falls under that category.  :awkwardconfusion:


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Synthe]
    #18959954 - 10/10/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say health and insurance are both major industries.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18959964 - 10/10/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd say health and insurance are both major industries.




Even the socialists disagree with you.


"Obamacare cannot be considered socialist in any way," according to Greg Pason, the national secretary for Socialist Party USA.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Synthe]
    #18959966 - 10/10/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck the socialists their opinion doesn't mean shit because they're socialists.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18959972 - 10/10/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck the socialists their opinion doesn't mean shit because they're socialists.



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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18960020 - 10/10/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know about you guys, but I think I can can confidently say without knowing what socialism is that it sounds really bad and scary.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: psi]
    #18960031 - 10/10/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm put off by isms in general :shrug:


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Synthe]
    #18960056 - 10/10/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd say health and insurance are both major industries.




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Socialism =  “a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.”




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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: psi]
    #18960199 - 10/10/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't understand how the US let their healthcare system become so fucked up. Something should have been done in the 60s or something. Now its too late and sick people is now a business...


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Synthe]
    #18960328 - 10/10/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
This is a totally bullshit socialist takeover of the system.



Socialist? Look, when you throw around terms like socialist without fully understanding what it means, it does nothing but discredit you.

Socialism =  “a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.”


I don't see how keeping your fellow countrymen healthy falls under that category.  :awkwardconfusion:



:rofl: yep. good call.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: psi]
    #18960366 - 10/10/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
I'd say health and insurance are both major industries.




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Synthe said:
Socialism =  “a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.”







tl;dr people are fucking stupid.

All the ACA does is put caveats on a system already in place.

Saying Obamacare is a socialist takeover of healthcare is like saying Dodd-Frank was a socialist takeover of Wall Street.


People need to open a dictionary before they start throwing buzzword laden tantrums,  I'm looking at you starfire.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: psi] * 1
    #18960408 - 10/10/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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psi said:
Personally I will not be satisfied unless he can come up actual footage of the birth that clearly shows in a continuous shot that it took place in Hawaii on the claimed date. Ideally it would start out as one of those shots they do in movies where it zooms in from space.



:lol:

I wish all movies, especially documentaries and pornos, started out zooming in from space. I mean, how the fuck are you supposed to know exactly where it is if it doesn't start from 100 miles above the atmosphere?


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