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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: ConfettiHead]
#18959419 - 10/10/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why the attempt at a basic physics lesson (it is not me that needs it), then a sudden shift to mystical nonsense?
That is quite the chasm-jump!
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#18959469 - 10/10/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Why the attempt at a basic physics lesson (it is not me that needs it), then a sudden shift to mystical nonsense?
That is quite the chasm-jump!

Why? Because LSD.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#18959475 - 10/10/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacDougall_(doctor)
oh and btw if you read the snoopes article about this, please understand
SNOOPS IS TWO 60 YEAR OLD RIGHT WING REPUBLICANS THAT USE GOOGLE TO DEBUNK THINGS.
they have NO credibility.
this experiment has been mimicked with success as well.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: stellarshnap]
#18959479 - 10/10/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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stellarshnap said: If we had no memory, we would have no concept of a past self, or future self. Only a primal RIGHT NOW self, which can only think and react instinctually and emotionally.
It depends what you mean by "no memory." In the strictest sense, DNA is a form of memory that encodes instincts, which in turn influence emotions which are filtered through memory. So your idea of the "primal self" distinct from memory is nonexistent in nature. When you die, you also lose the memory DNA has encoded, so "you" are reverted to an even more primordial state: darkness.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: MR.Merlin]
#18959532 - 10/10/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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this experiment has been mimicked with success as well.
Then you will be able to link a peer-reviewed article on this most amazing discovery of all time.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: LSDreams]
#18959563 - 10/10/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSDreams said: You stop living? You will no longer be able to experience life.
Yeah, but you won't be able to experience yourself not experiencing anything, so what's the big deal?
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: NetDiver]
#18959578 - 10/10/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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unfortunatly,
after some small errors were found in the inital research this kind of study has become almost extinct.
the last thing i read on this was back in high school some swiss scientists i will look for the article though.
however it is pretty implausible to think that a soul doesn't have any weight or mass...
and all things are one conscious... we are all the same consciousness experiencing it from a different perspective.
"death"
its a silly term.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: MR.Merlin]
#18959609 - 10/10/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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In other words: you have nothing and you are citing a flawed experiment to back up nonsense. 
Philosophy is a search for truth; not a search for horseshit.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: ConfettiHead] 1
#18959656 - 10/10/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ConfettiHead said: You win. You have successfully shown that my rambling is of no value. Maybe I shall quit pondering such matters as they appear to be useless.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: MR.Merlin]
#18959668 - 10/10/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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we are all the same consciousness experiencing it from a different perspective
Are you aware that this is not the 'make bare assertions' forum?
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: MR.Merlin]
#18959685 - 10/10/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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people like you dont want to disscuss things and further knowledge you just want to piss on other people. for a second i thought you may wanna have a conversation instead of just bieng an ass. i see i was wrong.
+1 ass hole points to you sir.
peace
Mod edit: Leave the personalisms out of PS&P.
On an ironic note, after calling OC an ass, you then say "peace".
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: MR.Merlin]
#18959698 - 10/10/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL OVER 30 PEOPLE IGNORE YOU.
i cant imagine why
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: MR.Merlin]
#18959705 - 10/10/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MR.Merlin said: LOL OVER 30 PEOPLE IGNORE YOU.
i cant imagine why 
Because a lot of people get butt hurt when he points out how nonsensical their opinions are. I've solved the mystery for you, you're welcome
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: MR.Merlin]
#18959715 - 10/10/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you realize that you were addressing yourself?
How does making up stuff further knowledge?
How is pointing out a flawed experiment pissing on people? Spouting erroneous information is a huge disservice and there is nothing noble in that.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: MR.Merlin]
#18959741 - 10/10/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MR.Merlin said: LOL OVER 30 PEOPLE IGNORE YOU.
i cant imagine why 
Please explain how being liked or disliked is a metric for The Truth and how it relates to the topic.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#18959773 - 10/10/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The ultimate point to all of this is that life goes on. For instance you, as a Chinese male let's say, will not continue on as that personality upon death. Whether awareness continues on or not, no one knows, but your name, your ego, your SELF as you know it on this earth will most assuredly cease to be. However, the body you once carried will become food for worms and life will essentially go on.
Now, whether your awareness continues on (sans your earthly personality) is a subject of debate. Nobody knows for sure if a state of awareness continues on or not. In either case, you will not be what you used to be, that is certain.
So we have some possibilities:
a) You die, your brain functioning ceases and there is only non-perceivable darkness.
b) You die, your brain functioning ceases, yet awareness continues on and takes on another form, either that of an entirely different human being or an animal or a plant.
c) You die, your brain functioning continues for a time, during this window of time you go on a "trip", but when brain functioning finally ceases you perceive no more. (Possible explanation of NDE)
d) You die, your brain functioning ceases and awareness continues on into the cosmos and you no longer take on any form, but rather "become the universe".
We can speculate all day, but I'm afraid that a conclusion will not be reached, at least not today. Therefore, believe what you believe.
On another note, I think a more interesting subject would be where does consciousness come from? I've yet to research this, I'm guessing some would say it appears as the brain develops, etc. But I want to know, when does it appear and how does it appear? Does science have an answer for this? I'm just wondering because I honestly haven't conducted any substantial research on the matter yet.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: mylfgur]
#18959858 - 10/10/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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stellarshnap said: If we had no memory, we would have no concept of a past self, or future self. Only a primal RIGHT NOW self, which can only think and react instinctually and emotionally.
It depends what you mean by "no memory." In the strictest sense, DNA is a form of memory that encodes instincts, which in turn influence emotions which are filtered through memory. So your idea of the "primal self" distinct from memory is nonexistent in nature. When you die, you also lose the memory DNA has encoded, so "you" are reverted to an even more primordial state: darkness.
I was referring to being alive without the capabilities of memory we have. I agree with you, and my whole point is that when you die, you return to darkness/nothingness. You cease to exist. The whole point is that memory cannot transcend death, as it is physical, and physical things are subject to death.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: ConfettiHead]
#18959904 - 10/10/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ConfettiHead said: The ultimate point to all of this is that life goes on. For instance you, as a Chinese male let's say, will not continue on as that personality upon death. Whether awareness continues on or not, no one knows, but your name, your ego, your SELF as you know it on this earth will most assuredly cease to be. However, the body you once carried will become food for worms and life will essentially go on.
Now, whether your awareness continues on (sans your earthly personality) is a subject of debate. Nobody knows for sure if a state of awareness continues on or not. In either case, you will not be what you used to be, that is certain.
So we have some possibilities:
a) You die, your brain functioning ceases and there is only non-perceivable darkness.
b) You die, your brain functioning ceases, yet awareness continues on and takes on another form, either that of an entirely different human being or an animal or a plant.
c) You die, your brain functioning continues for a time, during this window of time you go on a "trip", but when brain functioning finally ceases you perceive no more. (Possible explanation of NDE)
d) You die, your brain functioning ceases and awareness continues on into the cosmos and you no longer take on any form, but rather "become the universe".
We can speculate all day, but I'm afraid that a conclusion will not be reached, at least not today. Therefore, believe what you believe.
On another note, I think a more interesting subject would be where does consciousness come from? I've yet to research this, I'm guessing some would say it appears as the brain develops, etc. But I want to know, when does it appear and how does it appear? Does science have an answer for this? I'm just wondering because I honestly haven't conducted any substantial research on the matter yet.
Option C is the most likely, as the brain functions for 6 or so hours after death, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. Plus the whole dmt/pineal gland thing seems pretty interesting. Especially now that dmt has actually been discovered there. Still I maintain some healthy skepticism on the topic though.
As for consciousness, I would speculate that it is a byproduct of the way our brains work. The way we experience reality through our senses, as this collage like singular sense composed of the 5 senses, as well as the way we remember/relive our memories, results in this well developed sense of self, ie. consciousness. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: stellarshnap]
#18959957 - 10/10/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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stellarshnap said: Now as for death anxiety, I don't really understand it.
Creatures that fear death and avoid it are better at surviving and passing on their genetic code then creatures who don't. Anxiety is fear of something happening in the future. Humans, being able to think abstractly, can place themselves in time time, so we, unlike any other creature on earth, can look into the future, realize we're going to die, and feel anxious about it.
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Re: When you die you cease to exist, and here's why. [Re: Icelander]
#18959991 - 10/10/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ConfettiHead said: You win. You have successfully shown that my rambling is of no value. Maybe I shall quit pondering such matters as they appear to be useless.

I happen to find that thinking about such things is very useful for making oneself uncomfortable with most every aspect of existence.
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