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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
    #18953875 - 10/09/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

we are all living within the impressions of our own memories. everything we perceive in the present moment, actually happened in the past. it take some time and a bunch of processes for the information from the external world to reach our sensory receptors and travel to the brain through input neurons, process, assess, and extrude as output information.

it takes about 1/1000th of a second for a neural signal to reach the brain. this means we are all living and experiencing life 1/1000th of a second prior to "the present moment"

so, you can block off all senses, cease all thought, and exist in a state of meditation or deep sleep (delta). would this put us in the real present moment as the purest state of consciousness? or is it yet still just an expression of finitude and transience amidst the flow of time?

if consciousness and awareness do not originate in the brain, then why is it that i lose awareness during the delta state?

i recall nothing from a good nights sleep or a good meditation. i recall no memory or event of awareness at all.

perhaps consciousness & awareness is co-dependent with event in order to experience. and without event, there can be no perception of anything at all.

this is my understanding


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Re: We're all fake [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18953876 - 10/09/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Envix said:
old news






Yet no discussion of it :smile:



There were like 6 threads about this when it was actually new :smilingpuppy:


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Re: We're all fake [Re: twighead]
    #18953903 - 10/09/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Envix said:
we are all living within the impressions of our own memories. everything we perceive in the present moment, actually happened in the past. it take some time and a bunch of processes for the information from the external world to reach our sensory receptors and travel to the brain through input neurons, process, assess, and extrude as output information.

it takes about 1/1000th of a second for a neural signal to reach the brain. this means we are all living and experiencing life 1/1000th of a second prior to "the present moment"

so, you can block off all senses, cease all thought, and exist in a state of meditation or deep sleep (delta). would this put us in the real present moment as the purest state of consciousness? or is it yet still just an expression of finitude and transience amidst the flow of time?

if consciousness and awareness do not originate in the brain, then why is it that i lose awareness during the delta state?

i recall nothing from a good nights sleep or a good meditation. i recall no memory or event of awareness at all.

perhaps consciousness & awareness is co-dependent with event in order to experience. and without event, there can be no perception of anything at all.

this is my understanding




What about Masturbation.  Mind and body working together as one to experience itself all over your chest....I hope you're on my level here. Be it up or down


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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix]
    #18953907 - 10/09/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Envix said:
perhaps consciousness & awareness is co-dependent with event in order to experience. and without event, there can be no perception of anything at all.

this is my understanding




that's how i see it...i see the universe as literally existing in the present moment...it seems to me that giving that 1/1000th of a second to sensory perception is an abstraction.

but still we are limited by our senses so maybe in a sense we are not perceiving time as it actually is. things could actually be much less linear then we see them. that would explain a lot actually...including the 1/1000th of a second delay.

and yeah, i imagine deep sleep is a perfect example of being 100% 'in the moment' but normally we have no consciousness or memory of it. if someone can get to the point of being in that state, but maintaining awareness, then they would be in a completely aware state. personally i can maintain awareness for a while while falling asleep and while waking up but i dont think i've ever become fully aware while in deep sleep.


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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
    #18953924 - 10/09/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ive done it before with DMT


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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
    #18953937 - 10/09/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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but still we are limited by our senses so maybe in a sense we are not perceiving time as it actually is. things could actually be much less linear then we see them.




i just wrote a couple posts about this in the ufo thread

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18952356#18952356

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18953574#18953574


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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix] * 2
    #18953941 - 10/09/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

UFO's make you gay


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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix]
    #18953944 - 10/09/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ive done it before too...it would be cool to do while sleeping though :cool2:


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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
    #18953968 - 10/09/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Or maybe why the universe seems to have these laws, is because we seem to instinctively define our surroundings.

So the universe appears to follow "rules", except there is no rules, just how we perceive and define it.

We change our rules based on how we perceive the universe. The universe doesnt change how we perceive it based on our rules.

So one would assume humans may develop programs modelled after our environment(including universe)? Whether knowingly or not.



either way, it is actually a silly article.


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Re: We're all fake [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18953987 - 10/09/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: We're all fake [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18954387 - 10/09/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: We're all fake [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18954438 - 10/09/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

More on topic, I don't understand how being made of data makes you fake :smilingpuppy:


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Re: We're all fake [Re: twighead]
    #18954485 - 10/09/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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More on topic, I don't understand how being made of data makes you fake :smilingpuppy:




I guess it would be relative to the level of simulation you are in.  I guess you could also argue that nothing is fake because everything is real?  Do you get more fake because you are deeper in a simulation?


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Re: We're all fake [Re: twighead]
    #18955088 - 10/09/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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More on topic, I don't understand how being made of data makes you fake :smilingpuppy:




In a way, we've already proven we are made of data. DNA is the genetic code. Whether it's a simulation design or a design of nature really shouldn't matter though. Some questions just cannot be answered.(At least to me anyways)


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Re: We're all fake [Re: twighead]
    #18958461 - 10/10/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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twighead said:
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KingKnowledge said:
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Envix said:
old news






Yet no discussion of it :smile:



There were like 6 threads about this when it was actually new :smilingpuppy:





Well I'll just fuck myself :smile:


But it is an interesting topic nonetheless


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Re: We're all fake [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18958477 - 10/10/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is some twilight zone shit


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Re: We're all fake [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18958777 - 10/10/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

u wot m8


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Re: We're all fake [Re: dfoolz]
    #18959152 - 10/10/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

simulations aren't fake. they are just really high quality representations. a representation is still every bit as much of a presentation. it is present. real enough for me.


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Re: We're all fake [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #18959363 - 10/10/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: We're all fake [Re: morrowasted]
    #18960397 - 10/10/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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simulations aren't fake. they are just really high quality representations. a representation is still every bit as much of a presentation. it is present. real enough for me.




Agreed, but wouldnt you want to know if you were a simulation? Not saying you're fake, just not original...


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