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Bubbles85

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Spreading Liberty Cap Spores
#18958421 - 10/10/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I saw a post the other day in the "UK Liberty Cap 2013 Thread" about trying to distribute liberty cap spores by soaking what you have picked in bowls of cold water to release the spores and then spraying them onto fields they may grow in.
What are the chances of being able to do this successfully? If it is at all possible (which i truely hope it is) how long would it take before the spores started to fruit? Same season? Next season? or years perhaps?
Has any one actually done this with any degree of success? From what i can tell Libs are one the harder species to try and cultivate.
All input welcome
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18958460 - 10/10/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe. Workman and maybe some others have successfully spawned mycelium on grass seed. If you pick a good spot with good grass and grazing animals, it would up your chances.
Also, would like to hear what others think about the feeding method for P. semilanceata. Spray spore solution over large amount of grass and feed that to cows/sheep. They would spread the spores in their dung, whilst also producing the substrate
Edited by jet li (10/10/13 09:43 AM)
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18958492 - 10/10/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just thinking out loud. There must be ways to manage a living substrate for experimental purposes, given the value of some mycorrhizal mushrooms, and Workman did have some success with seeds and manure. Jochan Gartz tried growing in a flask and had some success, with difficulty. He cites another study that found horse manure favoured earlier fruiting. I think a windowsill grow in live grass is worth a shot, and then it should be straightforward to test for best conditions, although it may be then that without considerable effort to manage the temperature they could only fruit when temperatures outside are very low, and then it still might be nigh on impossible to get the mix right.
I think those studies relied on clones.
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Bubbles85

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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: jet li]
#18958524 - 10/10/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for your input. I have a number of animal grazing fields right out the back of my house (pics below) which i'm yet to find any Actives in.



The conditions should be perfect. We have lived here for nearly 10 years and they have been totally undisturbed in that time having only ever had cows & sheep in them.
When i saw the post i mentioned above, I soaked the last 50 libs i found yesterday over night in about 2 litres of water. When i got up i put it all into spray bottles, jumped over the fence and started spraying the field 
I'm definitely down with having the Libs take over any and every suitable field for miles around If it does work would love to see every picker do the same Keep them going strong for years to come.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18958555 - 10/10/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bubbles85 said: I soaked the last 50 libs i found yesterday over night in about 2 litres of water. When i got up i put it all into spray bottles, jumped over the fence and started spraying the field 
I think your chances are decent. From past experience of a garden which sheep would sometimes get into, I believe areas that they have been in do fruit - at least that is my explanation for there being libs in years that the garden was being overrun. Whether they were spreading spores or fertilising idk. In the fields there libs did very well.
Anyway I meant to say nice one and good luck!
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18958560 - 10/10/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bubbles85

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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: jet li]
#18958616 - 10/10/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the support guy's. I'll keep every one posted with how I get on.
I'll keep my eye on the field over the next few weeks, as well as spread some more spores from any other Libs I come across on my travels.
The conditions here are great right now. Temperatures dropping. Just need some of the wet stuff which is due at the week end
Edited by Bubbles85 (10/10/13 10:39 AM)
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: jet li]
#18958621 - 10/10/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to have this wild daydream about making up a bunch of wooden arrow shafts and colonizing the outer 6 or so inches of the tip with semilanceata spawn, and firing them into fields.
Never tried to do it, but the novelty always amused me.
One would naturally not want to do so while the field is occupied by lifestock.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: canid]
#18958652 - 10/10/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: One would naturally not want to do so while the field is occupied by lifestock.
Why not? Free steaks all round
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18958666 - 10/10/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But not free to the poor cow, or the poor sole who owns it.
Lol, damn. Now that you quoted my post, it would be pointless for me to correct my spelling of 'livestock'.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18958673 - 10/10/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like the makings of a Dr. House episode.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: canid]
#18958678 - 10/10/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: or the poor sole who owns it.
When we first moved here the fences were terrible. Used to wake up to cows and sheeps in the garden weekly. We replaced them all out of our own pocket. The farmer owes us lol
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18958690 - 10/10/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Liberty arrows are super dangerous, bruh.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18958691 - 10/10/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol. I used to have the same problem wtih llamas. The owner would get all apologetic and embarrassed about how they 'escaped', every single day around the same time. They just wanted the free grazing/browsing.
They did keep my vegetable garden nicely weeded though.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: canid]
#18980101 - 10/15/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what about lc's and grain's getting distributed??? CaptainFuture said he chucked some of his spawn in his garden and they fruited!! My garden and the surrounding areas are nigh on perfect. I often wonder if the London lib finds are from accidental distribution i.e people bringing libs to cities and the inadvertently wafting spores round when they chomp them down. Either way it's definitey worth a try
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Bubbles85

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Quote:
HappinessStan said: what about lc's and grain's getting distributed??? CaptainFuture said he chucked some of his spawn in his garden and they fruited!! My garden and the surrounding areas are nigh on perfect. I often wonder if the London lib finds are from accidental distribution i.e people bringing libs to cities and the inadvertently wafting spores round when they chomp them down. Either way it's definitey worth a try 
Hey,
If you have an ideal habitat for cultivation why not give it a try? There's nothing to lose and just imagine if it were successful . Libs fruiting all over your own garden. Sounds good to me
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18980240 - 10/15/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If conditions are right for a field, libs should already be there. Well at least that's my experience anyway.
Spraying cultivated mycelium in water could perhaps turbo charge a field?
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Bubbles85

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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: kaal-kopje]
#18980274 - 10/15/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If this technique were to be effective could any one say how quickly the mushrooms would start to fruit? Will it happen this season?
I've been keeping an eye on the field's here and there's nothing yet. Its been 5 days since i sprayed them
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#18980281 - 10/15/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: jet li]
#18984887 - 10/16/13 05:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm thinking it's gonna take a year at least unless it's was done end of summer maybe?? no harm in trying, I'm just only getting to grips with lc's and agar though, so might not be this year.. Still I've already chucked some spores down, here's hoping!! I was thinking just burying colonized seeds/grain or maybe cakes as a possibility too?? Yeah boosting already producing spots should surely work, I'd love to see the myc depth but don't wanna dig any up to find out.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Joie]
#18984903 - 10/16/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bubbles85 said: I soaked the last 50 libs i found yesterday over night in about 2 litres of water. When i got up i put it all into spray bottles, jumped over the fence and started spraying the field 
I think your chances are decent. From past experience of a garden which sheep would sometimes get into, I believe areas that they have been in do fruit - at least that is my explanation for there being libs in years that the garden was being overrun. Whether they were spreading spores or fertilising idk. In the fields there libs did very well.
Anyway I meant to say nice one and good luck!
So definitely best to hit up sheep/horse fields then, I was also thinkg spore printing onto apple slices and feeding them to sheep and horses, it's all worth a try right?
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Workmans original thread ( I think)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6926284
No grass planted on top, just placed in a grassy area and the grass naturally grew into the patch. 2 inches deep maximum manure depth. Fruiting was in spring and fall for a couple of years before the substrate was exhausted. I don't have photos of earlier work of more typical specimens. Patch placed outside in September will fruit a month or so later. Some strains work better than others with this technique.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17236514#17236514
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Two years ago I made a spore slurry from the spores and bits of crushed gills that are left in big bags with dried liberty caps once they run out. I used about 1 gram and put it in a 2l PET bottle together with a table spoon of honey. After a few days I noticed it was fermenting, of course a lot of yeast went with the mushroom parts in the bottle. Doh! But I didn't feel like throwing it in the sink so I brought it to a nice habitat with no liberty caps but had the "right feeling" and squirted it out on a good spot. I didn't see any mushrooms the following autumns but a week ago I found 10 liberty caps. I only spread it on perhaps 50m^2 and on no other parts of the field, and there was no other liberty caps to be found. So I regard this as a successful experiment, especially since I noticed the grass in the habitat are of a species that is seldom associated with liberty caps.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: knarkkorven]
#18985923 - 10/16/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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HappinessStan, Knarkkorven great input. Great to hear the spores you put down did eventually fruit to.
I like the idea of trying to put spores on fruit to feed to horse's and other live stock. Would be good to trial now for next years season. There are some great fields with horses in here about a 5 minuet walk from me, so i might give that a try.
I'm still soaking all of my lib finds to extract the spores and place in suitable fields that there's no actives in all over my local area. I'll keep my eye on them this season and over the next few seasons to see if there's any success 
I think every one who picks them should be doing all they can to give some thing back. Over picking and general ignorance ruins it for every one.
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#19020579 - 10/23/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I came up with the Water Spore Extraction Technique, and am surprised that I haven't read about others using the technique anywhere else. It is really simple and does multiple things.
It cleans your shroom's.
It produces a densely packed spore solution (Remember to shake before you spread it about!). Also you can always dilute the solution, as it will contain 100's of thousands of spores if not millions in fact 
It enhances the chance of shroom's growing in an empty field in a year or two (as long as the field is suitable i.e isn't ploughed every year or so or sprayed or whatever).
Just be sure to use COLD WATER! Or else you will have one hell of a bowl of shroomy tea! 
I have consumed shroom's that went through this process, and they were still mighty potent!
Keep spreading the spore
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Re: Spreading Liberty Cap Spores [Re: Bubbles85]
#19093505 - 11/06/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd love to see someone do this as well on maintained grass that is fertilized.
The reason being that I have several golf courses around my area that are confirmed habitation of Liberty Caps. Apparently the high quality grass and the fact that they fertilize it a lot makes perfect conditions for Liberty Caps... even without grazing animals.
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