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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Constantine]
#18958103 - 10/10/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Constantine said: It's horrible. I'm in Europe and I can't stand the fact that 90% of my hospital bills/prescription meds are paidfor by the government. I feel oppressed. I had to spend a few months in a hospital when I was 10, my family was too broke to afford it, and we didn't have to pay a single € for it. Can you believe it ? I mean it doesn't get more authoritarian than that.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68] 2
#18958133 - 10/10/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said: So like why is obamacare so bad?
because obamacare doesnt provide any sort of health care, it doesnt provide insurance, it only taxes insurance and fines those without insurance
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
#18958140 - 10/10/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Yes, but Obama has claimed the perjorative because once the law is fully implemented and the kinks are worked out, most people will see the law as a good thing. Holy shit, won't that just drive conservatives nuts! The principles in the law are essentially conservative ideas and Obama is getting all the credit.
please, do tell us what these super secret benefits will be, maybe you can link us to the sections of the bill where we may discover these benefits for ourselves...
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Asante]
#18958167 - 10/10/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Theres no such thing as "obamacare" the word is an attempt by conservatives to tack the negative stigma Obama has in their circles to this healthcare proposal they dont like either.
Real name is: the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
THANKYOU! Shows how much I know. I was going to say that was one of the most selfish names to name a policy. But thats good to see!
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Constantine]
#18958184 - 10/10/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Constantine said: It's horrible. I'm in Europe and I can't stand the fact that 90% of my hospital bills/prescription meds are paidfor by the government. I feel oppressed. I had to spend a few months in a hospital when I was 10, my family was too broke to afford it, and we didn't have to pay a single € for it. Can you believe it ? I mean it doesn't get more authoritarian than that.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#18958377 - 10/10/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol most of you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#18958392 - 10/10/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's a pretty vague critique.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Nimpo] 1
#18958398 - 10/10/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nimpo said: Obamacare is basically a mild version of Canada's health care system.
Why people republicans are so against it is beyond me.

"a mild version of Canada's health care system."
Not even close, Canada has universal health care, Obama Care is NOT.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: bloodsheen]
#18958410 - 10/10/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: Um basically its because this country is secretly totally fucking bankrupt, and every year we spend more money while reducing taxes. Every time a democrat wants more spending people allow it cause its normally for a good cause, and every time a republican wants to reduce taxes people allow it cause, fuck, who wants to give the government more money?
Republicans hate to give money away (which is ironic considering the percentage of republicans that are dumb poor trailer trash who would actual profit from democrat programs). Republicans believe that because you didn't grow up in a mansion you aren't allowed to have basic health care. And due to their inability to sack up and tax people, there isn't really enough money to due so. And the worst part is that this bill is being implemented during a time in which our country is really REALLY fucking bankrupt and we are just now getting back on our feet.
So essentially the reason its bad is poor timing, racism (come on, you all know theres a little of that in everything the republicans do), no money, and the worst political atmosphere this country has ever known
When you lower the marginal rate of taxation it increases the number of people in the pool and this has the impact of lessening pressure on wages and investment, so investment increases and this triggers the demand schedule for wages and employment, thus creating even more tax receipts. This has happened again and again and again in our history. Lowering tax rates increases tax receipts.
The Republicans demanded a tax decrease and this year we are going to take in more money than ever before. Square that with your rhetoric.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#18958430 - 10/10/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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spill the beans, then.
I'm still fucking confused about a lot of it, myself.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: qman]
#18958451 - 10/10/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: "a mild version of Canada's health care system."
Not even close, Canada has universal health care, Obama Care is NOT.
Yeah it seems to just ensure private health insurance companies the same kind of legally enforced captive market that car insurance companies enjoy (except that you can opt out of car insurance by not having a car.) For it to be anything like Canada's system, the government would have to be be acting as insurer to everyone rather than just people of low incomes as the US government was already doing.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68] 1
#18958499 - 10/10/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said: Well in Australia we have a medicare levy which is 1.5% of your income and grants you pretty much free health care plus worksafe and TAC(110% free health care for accidents on road and at work(like as in they will give your income if need for like 3months). Some people also have private health care and doctors visits are often free or around $10. I always hear about american having to pay like 5-6 figure payments to hospitals for treatments.
So like why is obamacare so bad?
Unlike Canada, we will not have socialized health care except in maybe welfare cases. The gist of Obamacare is that you have to choose a corporate carrier, but if you don't, you will be fined. Unlike the Canadian system, the insurance companies will be doing better than ever.
Because of the compulsory aspect of this system, there is a possible violation of constitutional rights to the American people. That is why some of us consider it bad.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: lowbrow]
#18958570 - 10/10/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Americans were supposed to believe that adding 30 million people to the insurance rolls, forcing insurance companies to cover people who were already sick, forcing insurance companies to keep youngsters on their parents insurance, removing lifetime caps, adding several layers of governmental interference/complexity, and reducing payments to doctors would somehow translate to better health care and reduced costs.
Well surprise, surprise. It didn't.
Americans were supposed to believe that you'd be able to keep their existing insurance plans and their existing doctors.
Well surprise, surprise... many can't.
Americans were supposed to believe that despite the fine for no insurance being quite a few times lower than the cost of the insurance... that many would rush right out and sign up out of a sense of civic duty.
Well surprise, surprise. They aren't that civic minded.
Americans were supposed to believe that the government wouldn't fuck up the roll-out of a plan that took control of 17% of the economy and that it would go well.
Well surprise, surprise... it didn't.
Americans that believed the hype are an incredibly stupid bunch. The rest of us just have to pay for their stupidity.
Obama lied. Affordable care died.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
#18958589 - 10/10/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Konichiwaffle said: Exactly.
$140 billion is spent in healthcare for people who are obese. 3/4 of my boomer generation patients are obese; people who never took care of themselves. We all pay for fatty mcfatfuck to drink as much high fructose corn syrup as her little heart can handle.
This will inevitably lead gov't controlled healthcare to implement nutritional laws in the future. Fat people cost way too much money.
My dad is a big Guy of 270lbs but his health is that of mine and I'm 20(great health and eats healthy just he's big. Doesn't cost our country shit)
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18958610 - 10/10/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: forcing insurance companies to keep youngsters on their parents insurance,
That's me except I'm not that young, I'm 25. 
I still haven't gotten a check up in two years. 
And I need to go to the dentist, but I never make an appointment.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Everlong]
#18958619 - 10/10/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everlong said: That's me except I'm not that young, I'm 25.
You're roughly 1/3 of the average lifespan. You sir, are a youngster.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18958625 - 10/10/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everlong said: That's me except I'm not that young, I'm 25.
You're roughly 1/3 of the average lifespan. You sir, are a youngster.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: dark3st]
#18958648 - 10/10/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah dude, I'm talking 300+ lbs. Far exceeding their normal BMI. People who already have health-related issues primarily because of their obesity.
I would say on average, I get patients 300+ lbs 3 out of the 5 days I work with type II diabetes, pvcs, apnea, high blood pressure, etc.
Many patients actually come in our lab with a Big Gulp. I live in the South, by the way.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18958680 - 10/10/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Americans were supposed to believe that adding 30 million people to the insurance rolls, forcing insurance companies to cover people who were already sick, forcing insurance companies to keep youngsters on their parents insurance, removing lifetime caps, adding several layers of governmental interference/complexity, and reducing payments to doctors would somehow translate to better health care and reduced costs.
Well surprise, surprise. It didn't.
Americans were supposed to believe that you'd be able to keep their existing insurance plans and their existing doctors.
Well surprise, surprise... many can't.
Americans were supposed to believe that despite the fine for no insurance being quite a few times lower than the cost of the insurance... that many would rush right out and sign up out of a sense of civic duty.
Well surprise, surprise. They aren't that civic minded.
Americans were supposed to believe that the government wouldn't fuck up the roll-out of a plan that took control of 17% of the economy and that it would go well.
Well surprise, surprise... it didn't.
Americans that believed the hype are an incredibly stupid bunch. The rest of us just have to pay for their stupidity.
Obama lied. Affordable care died.
This sums it up a lot, if you wanted to have lower health care costs, you eliminate malpractice lawsuits, the greedy lawyers didn't want Obama Care to change that aspect of the US system.
If you really wanted to lower health care costs, you change the way you practice medicine in the last 2 years of a persons life, you don't blow 90% of a persons lifetime health care costs when they are already 3/4's dead. A universal health care system doesn't allow for blowing $700,000 in the last year of a persons life, it's called basic commonsense, something that US health care does not practice, and Obama Care doesn't change a dam thing.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: nicechrisman]
#18958696 - 10/10/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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fuck obama. Hes going to fine the american people if they refuse to get a healthcare policy. I don't want to pay $250 a month when I'm healthy as a horse. Thats around 3000 dollars a fuckin year!
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