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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: zZZz]
    #18959205 - 10/10/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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you seem assertive in your posts, but yet there is no facts or personal experiences of disapproval for the supernatural.

i want hear the experiences of those who claim the supernatural is all fairytale.




"disapproval for the supernatural."

How does one disprove non-existence?  No one can disprove there is not a invisible dog shitting on your face at the moment. I'm not asserting this claim, YOU ARE asserting the same claim in theory.


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: NetDiver] * 1
    #18959215 - 10/10/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, because no blatantly supernatural event has ever been reliably recorded





The Big Bang?

A black hole with a schwartzschild radius several light years across suddenly overcoming its own gravity and expanding at a speed many times the speed of light to escape its own gravity, then slowing down suddenly to a snails pace, then speeding out of control faster and faster.

And where did that singularity come from?  Before it the high priests of physics insist there was no space and no time.

So everything comes from nothing for no reason and changes state where there is no time, breaks its own maximum speed limit, slows down to a near standstill, then speeds up again.

Riight. Sounds like a roundabout way of saying "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

And maybe..

The Big Bang Never Happened


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18959226 - 10/10/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Is the only proof you have that it doesn't exist to claim that I'm lying?




it is enough proof for me that i will not take your posts seriously and less likely to find out on my own. i don;t just claim it false, i am very open minded and will go the distance to find out for myself whether something is true or not.



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My unicorn is the only exception, the only supernatural thing I believe in.




if this is true then i believe you.


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: zZZz]
    #18959262 - 10/10/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No one can disprove there is not a invisible dog shitting on your face at the moment





then why claim something is false when you can't prove it?, or even try to find out on your own?


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: zZZz]
    #18959324 - 10/10/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think god believes in money.

:feelsbadman:


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #18959415 - 10/10/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The earth free-floats in space (Job 26:7), affected only by gravity. While other sources declared the earth sat on the back of an elephant or turtle, or was held up by Atlas, the Bible alone states what we now know to be true – “He hangs the earth on nothing.”




People have known earth is a sphere for thousands of years. Some Greek guy measured the circumference long before the most of the bible was written.


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Asante]
    #18959499 - 10/10/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
The Big Bang?

A black hole with a schwartzschild radius several light years across suddenly overcoming its own gravity and expanding at a speed many times the speed of light to escape its own gravity, then slowing down suddenly to a snails pace, then speeding out of control faster and faster.

And where did that singularity come from?  Before it the high priests of physics insist there was no space and no time.

So everything comes from nothing for no reason and changes state where there is no time, breaks its own maximum speed limit, slows down to a near standstill, then speeds up again.

Riight. Sounds like a roundabout way of saying "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

And maybe..

The Big Bang Never Happened



Because there is substantial evidence for the Big Bang, it is natural, not supernatural. Is it incredible? Sure.  Is its origin unexplained? For the moment. But it is part of the natural, observable Universe, and the claim that there's a "God" that started it raises more questions than it answers. If God created the Universe, where did God come from? Why can't the Universe have just always existed by itself?


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: NetDiver] * 2
    #18959531 - 10/10/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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it is natural, not supernatural.




How can something be supernatural when the moment it is suspected to occur it is deemed natural?

If leprechauns are proven to exist they are part of nature aren't they?

How exactly do you define supernatural :ifyoucanawe:


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: zZZz]
    #18959580 - 10/10/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zZZz said:
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No one can disprove there is not a invisible dog shitting on your face at the moment





then why claim something is false when you can't prove it?, or even try to find out on your own?




I never claimed the "supernatural" claims were false, I said it made no sense to believe in something that does not have one element of evidence to support it.


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: qman]
    #18959590 - 10/10/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

someone get that man some DMT!


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #18959603 - 10/10/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
...If leprechauns are proven to exist they are part of nature aren't they?







:irish: do exist, as does :santaclaus:, :fairy: and those invisible pixies my cats chase around when they're not sleeping, eating or shitting... :invisible::superkitty: . . . :peace:


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: vinsue]
    #18959608 - 10/10/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Envix]
    #18959628 - 10/10/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Envix said:
someone get that man some DMT!




I have yet to try DMT, (I will one day), but I had plenty of LSD, mushroom, and cactus trips to leave me opened minded enough to know that there are many unexplainable possibilities out there.


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: qman]
    #18960003 - 10/10/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I apologize for the weirdness of the paragraphs, and extra words. I'm on a mobile & can't edit that far down. If it's too much of a pain in the ass to read just click the link at the bottom. I recommend doing that anyway cause there are pictures & video on the site.


The Big Bang Didn't Need God to Start Universe, Researchers Say
by Mike Wall, SPACE.com Senior Writer
Date: 24 June 2012 Time: 01:36 AM ET
 

This graphic shows a timeline of the universe based on the Big Bang theory and inflation models.
CREDIT: NASA/WMAP
SANTA CLARA, Calif. — Our universe could have popped into existence 13.7 billion years ago without any divine help whatsoever, researchers say.
That may run counter to our instincts, which recoil at the thought of something coming from nothing. But we shouldn't necessarily trust our instincts, for they were honed to help us survive on the African savannah 150,000 years ago, not understand the inner workings of the universe.
Instead, scientists say, we should trust the laws of physics.

"The Big Bang could've occurred as a result of just the laws of physics being there," said astrophysicist Alex Filippenko of the University of California, Berkeley. "With the laws of physics, you can get universes."
Filippenko spoke here Saturday (June 23) at the SETICon 2 conference, during a panel discussion called "Did the Big Bang Require a Divine Spark?" [Images: Peering Back to the Big Bang]
Quantum fluctuations
In the very weird world of quantum mechanics, which describes action on a subatomic scale, random fluctuations can produce matter and energy out of nothingness. And this can lead to very big things indeed, researchers say.
"Quantum mechanical fluctuations can produce the cosmos," said panelist Seth Shostak, a senior astronomer at the non-profit Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) Institute. "If you would just, in this room, just twist time and space the right way, you might create an entirely new universe. It's not clear you could get into that universe, but you would create it."
"So it could be that this universe is merely the science fair project of a kid in another universe," Shostak added. "I don't know how that affects your theological leanings, but it is something to consider."
Filippenko stressed that such statements are not attacks on the existence of God. Saying the Big Bang — a massive expansion 13.7 billion years ago that blew space up like a gigantic balloon — could have occurred without God is a far cry from saying that God doesn't exist, he said.
"I don't think you can use science to either prove or disprove the existence of God," Filippenko said.
How To Re-Make The Big Bang

The origin of the laws of physics
If we're after the ultimate origin of everything, however, invoking the laws of physics doesn't quite do the trick. It may get us one step closer, but it doesn't take us all the way, Filippenko said.
"The question, then, is, 'Why are there laws of physics?'" he said. "And you could say, 'Well, that required a divine creator, who created these laws of physics and the spark that led from the laws of physics to these universes, maybe more than one.'"
But that answer just continues to kick the can down the road, because you still need to explain where the divine creator came from. The process leads to a never-ending chain that always leaves you short of the ultimate answer, Filippenko said.
The origin of the laws of physics remains a mystery for now, he added, one that we may never be able to solve.
"The 'divine spark' was whatever produced the laws of physics," Filippenko said. "And I don't know what produced that divine spark. So let's just leave it at the laws of physics."
Follow SPACE.com senior writer Mike Wall on Twitter @michaeldwall or SPACE.com @Spacedotcom. We're also on Facebook and Google+.

 
The History & Structure of the Universe (Infographic)
The Universe: Big Bang to Now in 10 Easy Steps
The Top 10 Intelligent Designs (or Creation Myths)






http://m.space.com/16281-big-bang-god-intervention-science.html


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18960206 - 10/10/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

James Randi is God.


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18960648 - 10/10/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And then they find a star thats a billion years older than the "big bang" just 170 light years from here.

Right next to us, in the endless sea of stars, immediately we find something casting doubt on the big bang theory.

watch them cook the books to make the star fit into the Big Bang  paradigm


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Everlong]
    #18962563 - 10/11/13 04:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Everlong said:
It is. There would be no reason to "prove" love, because we already know it occurs and what causes it.




:facepalm:


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Dawks]
    #18962782 - 10/11/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I mean god by definition is a thing, that no greater thing can exist, so by the definition, god has to exist. Think of the greatest thing you can think of and that's god. The debate comes into what powers this thing actually has, and what the greatest thing ever is. I'll except 10,000 dollars in drugs as well, thank you very much. :smug:

As for supernatural, at one point there was nothing, (if you don't believe god always existed) and then at one point all of "this" happened, life conscious anything organic and inorganic formed from nothing(in a godless universe). If you do believe god caused all of this then there is a supernatural occurence by itself. So yeah god and supernatural things exist.


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #18963866 - 10/11/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I guess it depends on how you define god and to what philosophies you subscribe.  In the typical sense, god is the creator of the universe and and omniscient.  That's way different than just the greatest thing you can conceive.


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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18964080 - 10/11/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

he could also have a contest asking people to prove whether another self exists, no body would be able to collect on that one either.


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