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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Everlong]
#18957868 - 10/10/13 03:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your post might answer one question but it asks another: where did the inorganic precursors come from? This cycle of answering and questioning will repeat until I ask, "How did physical matter come into existence?"
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#18957879 - 10/10/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I just don't think it's logical to believe the universe was created in a bang. What was the spark that caused life?
The universe has only gotten more complex over time, there was a time when most elements didn't even exist yet. It only makes sense that more complex structures would continue to arise out of the chaos. Life started out of basic biological reactions.
But go ahead and believe some sky wizard made man and then took one of his ribs and made woman. Or whatever religious belief you hold.
While there are pockets of increased complexity, in the aggregate, the universe becomes less complex over time. Entropy in any closed system can only increase. Eventually, the universe will be completely uniform.
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Your post might answer one question but it asks another: where did the inorganic precursors come from? This cycle of answering and questioning will repeat until I ask, "How did physical matter come into existence?"

I don't understand why believers go down this path of argument. This cycle of answering and question will repeat until I ask "how did god come into existence?"
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: koods]
#18957884 - 10/10/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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God was always there. Duh. 
I wonder whats going to wind up happening; the universe collapsing back in on itself, or a continuing expansion til everything burns out?
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: koods]
#18957888 - 10/10/13 04:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: I don't understand why believers go down this path of argument. This cycle of answering and question will repeat until I ask "how did god come into existence?"

You know that I don't know.  I think it would be embarrassing to die not believing in a God and then to realize after death that you're in God's presence. On the other hand, if God isn't real and we just stay dead-dead once we die then I don't think it really matters. I have nothing to lose in believing in God.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#18957902 - 10/10/13 04:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said:
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I just don't think it's logical to believe the universe was created in a bang. What was the spark that caused life?
The universe has only gotten more complex over time, there was a time when most elements didn't even exist yet. It only makes sense that more complex structures would continue to arise out of the chaos. Life started out of basic biological reactions.
But go ahead and believe some sky wizard made man and then took one of his ribs and made woman. Or whatever religious belief you hold.
While there are pockets of increased complexity, in the aggregate, the universe becomes less complex over time. Entropy in any closed system can only increase. Eventually, the universe will be completely uniform.
I agree, but I was going along the lines of the big bang. In my uneducated opinion, we are still experiencing the effects of the "explosion." I know things will eventually equal out.
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I think it would be embarrassing to die not believing in a God and then to realize after death that you're in God's presence. On the other hand, if God isn't real and we just stay dead-dead once we die then I don't think it really matters. I have nothing to lose in believing in God.
This comes across as very simple minded. What if you were a good person your entire life, never doing any wrong. You actually believe some omnipotent being is going to care if you believed in him or not?
What about those who have never even been able to learn whatever gospel you believe? Are they automatically fucked even though they had no choice in the matter?
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 4
#18957908 - 10/10/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: I don't understand why believers go down this path of argument. This cycle of answering and question will repeat until I ask "how did god come into existence?"

You know that I don't know.  I think it would be embarrassing to die not believing in a God and then to realize after death that you're in God's presence. On the other hand, if God isn't real and we just stay dead-dead once we die then I don't think it really matters. I have nothing to lose in believing in God.
Pascal's wager. Except you are presuming to know what a God may think about ass kissers. Are you sure he wouldn't think you all are a bunch of losers who spent their entire lives trying to impress him? Maybe the bible is a test to see who has the balls to stand up to an omnipotent psychopath.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Everlong]
#18957912 - 10/10/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everlong said:What if you were a good person your entire life, never doing any wrong.
Then you will be in paradise eventually.
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Everlong said: You actually believe some omnipotent being is going to care if you believed in him or not?
We are made in God's image. If we love each other then we love God, too. This means loving our enemies.
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Everlong said: What about those who have never even been able to learn whatever gospel you believe? Are they automatically fucked even though they had no choice in the matter?
It is up to people like me, since it's my life, to lead a good life and others will see and follow if they see fit. If they ask me something I'll be happy to respond. I don't try to force my beliefs on anyone.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: koods]
#18957917 - 10/10/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Pascal's wager.
Thanks for the new knowledge!
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koods said: Except you are presuming to know what a God may think about ass kissers. Are you sure he wouldn't think you all are a bunch of losers who spent their entire lives trying to impress him?
That could be true if you're a pessimist.
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koods said: Maybe the bible is a test to see who has the balls to stand up to an omnipotent psychopath.
The bible is a collection of writings.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#18957931 - 10/10/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What god do you believe in?
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18957936 - 10/10/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am monotheistic.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 3
#18957943 - 10/10/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That could be true if you're a pessimist.
Nothing could be more pessimistic than appealing to a being's vanity to avoid eternal punishment.
Pascal's wager only makes sense if you believe that god is essentially a supernatural version of Saddam Hussein or any other capricious authoritarian dictator you can think of. Talk about pessimistic.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: koods]
#18957952 - 10/10/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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woops wrong thread
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: koods]
#18957961 - 10/10/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That could be true if you're a pessimist.
Nothing could be more pessimistic than appealing to a being's vanity to avoid eternal punishment.
I'm sorry you think of it that way. God loves every one of us. It's up to you to accept that love or reject it.
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koods said: Pascal's wager only makes sense if you believe that god is essentially a supernatural version of Saddam Hussein or any other capricious authoritarian dictator you can think of. Talk about pessimistic.
No.

This quote is from this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager#Inability_to_believe
"Given these values, the option of living as if God exists (B) dominates the option of living as if God does not exist (~B), as long as one assumes a positive probability that God exists. In other words, the expected value gained by choosing B is greater than or equal to that of choosing ~B. In fact, according to decision theory, the only value that matters in the above matrix is the +∞ (infinitely positive). Any matrix of the following type (where f1, f2, and f3 are all finite positive or negative numbers) results in (B) as being the only rational decision."
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18957967 - 10/10/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can't prove God, you can't disprove God. When will you guys ever learn, nothing will shift that balance so every thread to the same effect has the same answer.
To be the one stating "I offer XXX for proof of YYY" you put yourself in a position of faux power, because you cant DISPROVE it either, but you suggest you can by taking that stance.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: zZZz]
#18957975 - 10/10/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zZZz said: woops wrong thread
Great, now I'm the proud owner of an orphaned response:
Update: found the parent.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18957986 - 10/10/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Has anyone heard of this? Some guy has had a 10,000 cash prize available if anyone can provide him a piece of evidence of a god or supernatural powers. It has been like 40 years and no one has collected.
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Joseph Atwill (american bible derp) gave a presentation in october in the UK claiming roman aristocrats made up the story.
Oh shit i'm doing it wrong
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Asante]
#18957995 - 10/10/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I am monotheistic.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: you can't prove God, you can't disprove God. When will you guys ever learn, nothing will shift that balance so every thread to the same effect has the same answer.
To be the one stating "I offer XXX for proof of YYY" you put yourself in a position of faux power, because you cant DISPROVE it either, but you suggest you can by taking that stance.
It's basic science. Someone made a claim....we ask for proof....They fail to give any evidence or proof...claim rejected. It's not like atheists dont have thoughts and consideration of gods or how we got here etc. They just don't believe in these thoughts as they are based on pure speculation. We don't know why dogs have such massive genetic variation. Doesn't mean I'm going to guess some wishful thinking theory and "BELIEVE" it. I may come up with ideas of why...I could even test them. But I wouldn't put conviction to it with no evidence at all. That's just for a normal claim....you're talking anout gods, gods that we claim to speak to. There really is nothing for atheists to prove. ..
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18958013 - 10/10/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dogs have such huge genetic differences because of unnatural selection. Interbreeding to select for particular traits has both intended and unintended consequences, but it always will amplify the effects of minor mutations.
Sorry. I don't know why I'm being a smart ass tonight.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18958019 - 10/10/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I am monotheistic.
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I was raised Antiochean Orthodox Christian, but since I've been off to college (this is the 5th year) I haven't gone to church that much. Just once here, actually.
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Re: 10,000 if you can provide proof of god or supernatural? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#18958030 - 10/10/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I am monotheistic.
Of what religion?
I was raised Antiochean Orthodox Christian, but since I've been off to college (this is the 5th year) I haven't gone to church that much. Just once here, actually.
you're not pleasing him.
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