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Offlinekakashi68
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Someone explain Obamacare to a non american?
    #18957376 - 10/09/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well in Australia we have a medicare levy which is 1.5% of your income and grants you pretty much free health care plus worksafe and TAC(110% free health care for accidents on road and at work(like as in they will give your income if need for like 3months). Some people also have private health care and doctors visits are often free or around $10. I always hear about american having to pay like 5-6 figure payments to hospitals for treatments.

So like why is obamacare so bad?


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68]
    #18957393 - 10/09/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18957398 - 10/09/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so Obama's a Mexican?


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18957402 - 10/09/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i'm not sure--still hasn't shown me his birth certificate


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #18957419 - 10/10/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Obamacare is basically a mild version of Canada's health care system.

Why people republicans are so against it is beyond me.



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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68]
    #18957450 - 10/10/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Before insurance its about 4-500 dollars for an appointment, an mri is over 2000 dollars etc, health is expensive


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Nimpo]
    #18957457 - 10/10/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pros

Less people having emergencies in the long term.

Cons

Hospital equipment prices varying widely for no reason.

Won't drive down prescription pill cost.

It's extremely expensive to become and pay for a doctor.

Probably has nothing to do with illegal aliens.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Nimpo]
    #18957466 - 10/10/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Um basically its because this country is secretly totally fucking bankrupt, and every year we spend more money while reducing taxes. Every time a democrat wants more spending people allow it cause its normally for a good cause, and every time a republican wants to reduce taxes people allow it cause, fuck, who wants to give the government more money?

Republicans hate to give money away (which is ironic considering the percentage of republicans that are dumb poor trailer trash who would actual profit from democrat programs). Republicans believe that because you didn't grow up in a mansion you aren't allowed to have basic health care. And due to their inability to sack up and tax people, there isn't really enough money to due so. And the worst part is that this bill is being implemented during a time in which our country is really REALLY fucking bankrupt and we are just now getting back on our feet.

So essentially the reason its bad is poor timing, racism (come on, you all know theres a little of that in everything the republicans do), no money, and the worst political atmosphere this country has ever known


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Nimpo]
    #18957498 - 10/10/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

*cough*corporategreed*cough*


Although, there are definitely flaws to consider for Obamacare.  Gov't controlled healthcare means gov't dictates how doctors practice medicine.  Same way medicare has dictated the medical field for years.  It's absolute bullshit how much authority insurance companies have over the medical field.  Under Obamacare, there is estimated to be higher health costs from hospitals and private practices.  Plus higher taxes, obviously.  The rest of the world doesn't note all the little secret taxes we have to pay in the form of registrations, licenses, fees, and social programs (SS and medicare)here in the states. 

It seems to be more inclined for younger people and more detrimental for the elderly because of the slash in medicare payment cuts.

I imagine there to be a better way, but socialized healthcare is such a hard cookie to cut. 

I work in the medical field, and all I know is this.  Either way, our healthcare system before Obamacare sucked just as much.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: bloodsheen]
    #18957507 - 10/10/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have heard that once obama care is set-up there will be these "forced home visits" by government agents. Basically it doesn't have to involve kids, If anyone in the family even smokes cigarettes they are subject to these visits by government agents, and I saw it on youtube but then I read some articles from reputable sources I think it was huffington- accurate enough I guess. Theyre justifying this in the name of health care. Basically if this is true almost any families house is subject to a search without a warrant. Please someone prove this wrong because it bugs me out!


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #18957513 - 10/10/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Um basically its because this country is secretly totally fucking bankrupt, and every year we spend more money while reducing taxes




This too.

Plus an estimated 159 new agencies, boards, and administrations in the midst of how supposedly broke our gov't is.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #18957538 - 10/10/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think it is the fact that you will get fined if you don;t. which i agree is TOTAL bullshit.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: crimsonking91]
    #18957566 - 10/10/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's false.  Although many Americans wouldn't be surprised if something like this was implemented in the future.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle] * 2
    #18957617 - 10/10/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's an attmept to fix a system that has problems by inserting the fucking government in it as a middleman.  I mean, just look the US government really has a great record of running shit efficiently.... :smirk:

it's a way for fucking authoritarian statists to get control over people.  the other day, I heard that one of the 'issues' with Obamacare was the 'The Department of Homeland Security doesn't have their computers synched up with the healthcare system yet'

Why would the department of homeland security need to have any access to people's personal medical records?  Why are the enforcers of 'Obamacare' 15,000 new TAX REVENUE AGENTS???? 

This is a totally bullshit socialist takeover of the system.  The US is bankrupt--nobody buys the bonds anymore, and the economy is a stagnant piece of shit under the shuck and jive commie asshole. 

This program is another big spending government program that the government doesn't have money for.

the middle class--what's left of it--is going to get fucked by this, it will destroy and seriously shrink the middle class.  What will be left is a poor class, and the rich, fucking, asshole elitists that run the government. 

The other reason people are against it is that they are beginning to see that its going to make them go into their wallets if they are working, and priviledged classes--government workers, the super poor, and certain unions--are exempt from it.

The working people in the US are going to feel like they have been fucked by an elephant dick by the time this Turd comes to fruition.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18957635 - 10/10/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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it's a way for fucking authoritarian statists to get control over people.  the other day, I heard that one of the 'issues' with Obamacare was the 'The Department of Homeland Security doesn't have their computers synched up with the healthcare system yet'





I think that just answered homeboy's question regarding forced gov't house visits.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68]
    #18957639 - 10/10/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, let's force people to get insurance.. then if they are too poor to pay for their healthcare because they were too poor to pay for it before... we'll FINE them.. that'll show em... haha

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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Shroomism]
    #18957657 - 10/10/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The fine for not getting coverage is cheaper than paying the tax itself and it's not even arrestable they just garnish that shit from your return.  If you have a good accountant or can do it yourself then you just make sure you get exactly $0 tax return and don't pay the fine at all and voila you're off the hook and the system crumbles away because that's what everyone else will be doing too.

This is going to be a shit show.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Shroomism]
    #18957669 - 10/10/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Star, how has the government been inserted as a middle man? (Unless you consider any law to be government being a middle man)

I wish the government were actually a player, instead of just a referee. I wanted the government as a middle man option in Obamacare, but that was just too abhorrent for congress. Since when does more options mean less freedom?

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i'm not sure--still hasn't shown me his birth certificate




He didn't show YOU his birth certificate, but he did produce it. Not that this is a legitimate issue. In the 2008 election, there was only one person on the November ballot who wasn't born in the US, and it wasn't Obama,

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Hey, let's force people to get insurance.. then if they are too poor to pay for their healthcare because they were too poor to pay for it before... we'll FINE them.. that'll show em... haha we'll subsidize the insurance or even completely pay for it. 



Fixed.

If people have the legitimate opportunity to purchase insurance and they refuse to do so, they should be fined. It's the only way to recover some of the costs they will force everybody else to absorb when they can't pay for whatever service they may need in the future.

Everybody will need healthcare services at some point (or multiple points) and even if you are rich, you probably won't be able to afford it without insurance.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Shroomism]
    #18957731 - 10/10/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey, let's force people to get insurance.. then if they are too poor to pay for their healthcare because they were too poor to pay for it before... we'll FINE them.. that'll show em... haha

:brilliant:




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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
    #18957734 - 10/10/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I thought it's my right to be unhealthy if I want to be.





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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Set]
    #18957762 - 10/10/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I thought it's my right to be unhealthy if I want to be.





What you have the right to ruin society for everyone else? You'll notice in countries with little to no healthcare there are often mentally and physically ill people living on the streets, pissing and shitting everywhere and committing opportunistic crime to survive.

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Maybe rather than healthcare we should simply banish all the sick people from populated areas and let them fend for themselves out in the wilderness :strokebeard:


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Set]
    #18957768 - 10/10/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I thought it's my right to be unhealthy if I want to be.





Fine. Don't make everybody else pay for it though.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
    #18957775 - 10/10/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

shows how cold people can be.

"you got a cut and are bleeding to death!?"

"i ain;t paying it, you shoulda payed for healthcare ya idiot".


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods] * 1
    #18957785 - 10/10/13 03:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly.

$140 billion is spent in healthcare for people who are obese.  3/4 of my boomer generation patients are obese; people who never took care of themselves.  We all pay for fatty mcfatfuck to drink as much high fructose corn syrup as her little heart can handle.

This will inevitably lead gov't controlled healthcare to implement nutritional laws in the future.  Fat people cost way too much money.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: zZZz]
    #18957805 - 10/10/13 03:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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shows how cold people can be.

"you got a cut and are bleeding to death!?"

"i ain;t paying it, you shoulda payed for healthcare ya idiot".




Except, that's not how it works. If you are bleeding to death, they don't ask if you can pay to save your life. They save your life. (Yes, there are examples of this not happening, and that is cold — and illegal and immoral, as well.)

So, in reality, what that person has done is purchased a service without the ability to pay for it.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: starfire_xes] * 7
    #18957818 - 10/10/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's horrible. I'm in Europe and I can't stand the fact that 90% of my hospital bills/prescription meds are paidfor by the government. I feel oppressed. I had to spend a few months in a hospital when I was 10, my family was too broke to afford it, and we didn't have to pay a single € for it. Can you believe it ? I mean it doesn't get more authoritarian than that.

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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Constantine] * 1
    #18957824 - 10/10/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's horrible. I'm in Europe and I can't stand the fact that 90% of my hospital bills/prescription meds are paidfor by the government. I feel oppressed. I had to spend a few months in a hospital when I was 10, my family was too broke to afford it, and we didn't have to pay a single € for it. Can you believe it ? I mean it doesn't get any more authoritarian than that.

PLEASE FREE US




I'd suggest suicide, but you'd probably botch the job and then it's just more oppressive health care. :wink:


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
    #18957827 - 10/10/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What you have the right to ruin society for everyone else? You'll notice in countries with little to no healthcare there are often mentally and physically ill people living on the streets, pissing and shitting everywhere and committing opportunistic crime to survive.



I literally have done none of these things.

I also do not intend to.  You're good dude.

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Fine. Don't make everybody else pay for it though.



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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Set]
    #18957853 - 10/10/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What you have the right to ruin society for everyone else? You'll notice in countries with little to no healthcare there are often mentally and physically ill people living on the streets, pissing and shitting everywhere and committing opportunistic crime to survive.



I literally have done none of these things.

I also do not intend to.  You're good dude.

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Fine. Don't make everybody else pay for it though.



See above.









It doesn't matter if YOU haven't done these things. Policy isn't about YOU. Sorry. We can't target laws for each individual. And when it comes to healthcare, your intent doesn't mean shit. Who intends to get cancer, or get shot or bit by a rattlesnake or fall off a ladder and be paralyzed? Are you saying you will refuse care because you can't afford to pay for the services those situations would require? Keep in mind, unless you are in the 1% , you CAN'T afford it. Unless you have insurance. And if you have insurance, why are you getting your panties in a bunch over being forced to buy insurance?


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
    #18957864 - 10/10/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

because there is enough force in this country.

i would prefer if they brought awareness to the matter and encouraged the people to do it on their own instead of forcing them and even fine them for not doing so.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
    #18957865 - 10/10/13 03:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Humans eventually get sick, at some point.  If they don't have health insurance then it's up to society to pay the cost.  We can't have sick/dying people lying around, we're trying to get shit done.

That's the basis of the argument, right?


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: zZZz]
    #18957927 - 10/10/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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because there is enough force in this country.

i would prefer if they brought awareness to the matter and encouraged the people to do it on their own instead of forcing them and even fine them for not doing so.




You can inform and inform and bring awareness until you die (unnecessarily, due to lack of insurance), but abstract facts don't have a chance when you have the other side appealing to emotion and demonizing the people trying to inform. you can encourage people to do it on their own, but when they don't, they are choosing to shift their costs to other people (statistically). Shouldn't there be some sort of way for society to get restitution?


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
    #18957954 - 10/10/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

whats the rush really?


is health care really that important that the gov had to shut down?


health care this, healthcare that.. :nut:  what about all the other shit going on???..


i apologize for getting off topic, just had one of those moments :sun:


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: zZZz]
    #18957982 - 10/10/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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whats the rush really?


is health care really that important that the gov had to shut down?


health care this, healthcare that.. :nut:  what about all the other shit going on???..


i apologize for getting off topic, just had one of those moments :sun:




It seems pretty important to people who couldn't get insurance because they have a pre-existing condition, or they couldn't afford it.

Why do we need to delay this? Because there are kinks and unintended consequences? Delay is just saying we'll worry about that later (let's be honest, the people who say delay aren't thinking "later" they are thinking "never") Yeah, some people's plans will get more expensive. BOO FUCKING HOO. Go find a cheaper plan.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Constantine]
    #18957987 - 10/10/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's horrible. I'm in Europe and I can't stand the fact that 90% of my hospital bills/prescription meds are paidfor by the government. I feel oppressed. I had to spend a few months in a hospital when I was 10, my family was too broke to afford it, and we didn't have to pay a single € for it. Can you believe it ? I mean it doesn't get more authoritarian than that.

PLEASE FREE US




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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68]
    #18957992 - 10/10/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Theres no such thing as "obamacare" the word is an attempt by conservatives to tack the negative stigma Obama has in their circles to this healthcare proposal they dont like either.

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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Asante]
    #18958003 - 10/10/13 05:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, but Obama has claimed the perjorative because once the law is fully implemented and the kinks are worked out, most people will see the law as a good thing. Holy shit, won't that just drive conservatives nuts! The principles in the law are essentially conservative ideas and Obama is getting all the credit.


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    #18958021 - 10/10/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Asante]
    #18958055 - 10/10/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Theres no such thing as "obamacare" the word is an attempt by conservatives to tack the negative stigma Obama has in their circles to this healthcare proposal they dont like either.

Real name is:  the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.




I guess you haven't been paying attention. Even Obama has been calling it Obamacare.



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Obama embraces the term 'Obamacare'

President Obama is now happy to call it "Obamacare."

Once a term of derision used mostly by Republicans who have vowed to repeal the new health care law, Obama deployed it in both of his Colorado appearances on Wednesday.

"The Affordable Care Act -- also known as Obamacare," Obama said to applause from backers at the University of Denver.

"I actually like the name," he added. "Because I do care -- that's why we fought so hard to make it happen."

Later, in an appearance in Colorado Springs, Obama rapped Republican opponent Mitt Romney because "when it comes to health care, he wants to kill Obamacare -- I'm implementing Obamacare because it was the right thing to do."

The president and his aides once shunned the word "Obamacare," at a time when both the law and Obama were struggling politically.

They have maintained that the 2010 health care law would become more popular after its benefits became known; that belief may explain Obama's embrace of the term now.

Of course, Republicans -- whose opposition to the health care plan fueled their victories in the 2010 congressional elections -- don't figure to stop attacking "Obamacare" any time soon.

Either way, it seems likely that the new word "Obamacare" will enter the political lexicon of history.




http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-embraces-the-term-obamacare/1


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Constantine]
    #18958103 - 10/10/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Constantine said:
It's horrible. I'm in Europe and I can't stand the fact that 90% of my hospital bills/prescription meds are paidfor by the government. I feel oppressed. I had to spend a few months in a hospital when I was 10, my family was too broke to afford it, and we didn't have to pay a single € for it. Can you believe it ? I mean it doesn't get more authoritarian than that.

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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68] * 2
    #18958133 - 10/10/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So like why is obamacare so bad?





because obamacare doesnt provide any sort of health care, it doesnt provide
insurance, it only taxes insurance and fines those without insurance


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
    #18958140 - 10/10/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
Yes, but Obama has claimed the perjorative because once the law is fully implemented and the kinks are worked out, most people will see the law as a good thing. Holy shit, won't that just drive conservatives nuts! The principles in the law are essentially conservative ideas and Obama is getting all the credit.





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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Asante]
    #18958167 - 10/10/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Theres no such thing as "obamacare" the word is an attempt by conservatives to tack the negative stigma Obama has in their circles to this healthcare proposal they dont like either.

Real name is:  the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.




THANKYOU! Shows how much I know. I was going to say that was one of the most selfish names to name a policy. But thats good to see!

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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Constantine]
    #18958184 - 10/10/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Constantine said:
It's horrible. I'm in Europe and I can't stand the fact that 90% of my hospital bills/prescription meds are paidfor by the government. I feel oppressed. I had to spend a few months in a hospital when I was 10, my family was too broke to afford it, and we didn't have to pay a single € for it. Can you believe it ? I mean it doesn't get more authoritarian than that.

PLEASE FREE US




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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18958377 - 10/10/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol most of you have no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18958392 - 10/10/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's a pretty vague critique.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Nimpo] * 1
    #18958398 - 10/10/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Nimpo said:
Obamacare is basically a mild version of Canada's health care system.

Why people republicans are so against it is beyond me.






"a mild version of Canada's health care system."

Not even close, Canada has universal health care, Obama Care is NOT.


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    #18958410 - 10/10/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Um basically its because this country is secretly totally fucking bankrupt, and every year we spend more money while reducing taxes. Every time a democrat wants more spending people allow it cause its normally for a good cause, and every time a republican wants to reduce taxes people allow it cause, fuck, who wants to give the government more money?

Republicans hate to give money away (which is ironic considering the percentage of republicans that are dumb poor trailer trash who would actual profit from democrat programs). Republicans believe that because you didn't grow up in a mansion you aren't allowed to have basic health care. And due to their inability to sack up and tax people, there isn't really enough money to due so. And the worst part is that this bill is being implemented during a time in which our country is really REALLY fucking bankrupt and we are just now getting back on our feet.

So essentially the reason its bad is poor timing, racism (come on, you all know theres a little of that in everything the republicans do), no money, and the worst political atmosphere this country has ever known




When you lower the marginal rate of taxation it increases the number of people in the pool and this has the impact of lessening pressure on wages and investment, so investment increases and this triggers the demand schedule for wages and employment, thus creating even more tax receipts.  This has happened again and again and again in our history.  Lowering tax rates increases tax receipts.

The Republicans demanded a tax decrease and this year we are going to take in more money than ever before.  Square that with your rhetoric.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18958430 - 10/10/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

spill the beans, then.

I'm still fucking confused about a lot of it, myself.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: qman]
    #18958451 - 10/10/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"a mild version of Canada's health care system."

Not even close, Canada has universal health care, Obama Care is NOT.




Yeah it seems to just ensure private health insurance companies the same kind of legally enforced captive market that car insurance companies enjoy (except that you can opt out of car insurance by not having a car.) For it to be anything like Canada's system, the government would have to be be acting as insurer to everyone rather than just people of low incomes as the US government was already doing.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #18958499 - 10/10/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
Well in Australia we have a medicare levy which is 1.5% of your income and grants you pretty much free health care plus worksafe and TAC(110% free health care for accidents on road and at work(like as in they will give your income if need for like 3months). Some people also have private health care and doctors visits are often free or around $10. I always hear about american having to pay like 5-6 figure payments to hospitals for treatments.

So like why is obamacare so bad?




Unlike Canada, we will not have socialized health care except in maybe welfare cases.  The gist of Obamacare is that you have to choose a corporate carrier, but if you don't, you will be fined.  Unlike the Canadian system, the insurance companies will be doing better than ever.

Because of the compulsory aspect of this system, there is a possible violation of constitutional rights to the American people.  That is why some of us consider it bad.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: lowbrow]
    #18958570 - 10/10/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Americans were supposed to believe that adding 30 million people to the insurance rolls, forcing insurance companies to cover people who were already sick, forcing insurance companies to keep youngsters on their parents insurance, removing lifetime caps, adding several layers of governmental interference/complexity, and reducing payments to doctors would somehow translate to better health care and reduced costs.

Well surprise, surprise. It didn't.

Americans were supposed to believe that you'd be able to keep their existing insurance plans and their existing doctors.

Well surprise, surprise... many can't.

Americans were supposed to believe that despite the fine for no insurance being quite a few times lower than the cost of the insurance... that many would rush right out and sign up out of a sense of civic duty.

Well surprise, surprise. They aren't that civic minded.

Americans were supposed to believe that the government wouldn't fuck up the roll-out of a plan that took control of 17% of the economy and that it would go well.

Well surprise, surprise... it didn't.

Americans that believed the hype are an incredibly stupid bunch. The rest of us just have to pay for their stupidity.

Obama lied. Affordable care died.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #18958589 - 10/10/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Konichiwaffle said:
Exactly.

$140 billion is spent in healthcare for people who are obese.  3/4 of my boomer generation patients are obese; people who never took care of themselves.  We all pay for fatty mcfatfuck to drink as much high fructose corn syrup as her little heart can handle.

This will inevitably lead gov't controlled healthcare to implement nutritional laws in the future.  Fat people cost way too much money.



My dad is a big Guy of 270lbs but his health is that of mine and I'm 20(great health and eats healthy just he's big. Doesn't cost our country shit)


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18958610 - 10/10/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
forcing insurance companies to keep youngsters on their parents insurance,




That's me except I'm not that young, I'm 25. :lol:

I still haven't gotten a check up in two years. :facepalm:

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    #18958619 - 10/10/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That's me except I'm not that young, I'm 25.




You're roughly 1/3 of the average lifespan.  You sir, are a youngster.


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Everlong said:
That's me except I'm not that young, I'm 25.




You're roughly 1/3 of the average lifespan.  You sir, are a youngster.



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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: dark3st]
    #18958648 - 10/10/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah dude, I'm talking 300+ lbs.  Far exceeding their normal BMI.  People who already have health-related issues primarily because of their obesity.

I would say on average, I get patients 300+ lbs 3 out of the 5 days I work with type II diabetes, pvcs, apnea, high blood pressure, etc.

Many patients actually come in our lab with a Big Gulp.  I live in the South, by the way.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18958680 - 10/10/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Americans were supposed to believe that adding 30 million people to the insurance rolls, forcing insurance companies to cover people who were already sick, forcing insurance companies to keep youngsters on their parents insurance, removing lifetime caps, adding several layers of governmental interference/complexity, and reducing payments to doctors would somehow translate to better health care and reduced costs.

Well surprise, surprise. It didn't.

Americans were supposed to believe that you'd be able to keep their existing insurance plans and their existing doctors.

Well surprise, surprise... many can't.

Americans were supposed to believe that despite the fine for no insurance being quite a few times lower than the cost of the insurance... that many would rush right out and sign up out of a sense of civic duty.

Well surprise, surprise. They aren't that civic minded.

Americans were supposed to believe that the government wouldn't fuck up the roll-out of a plan that took control of 17% of the economy and that it would go well.

Well surprise, surprise... it didn't.

Americans that believed the hype are an incredibly stupid bunch. The rest of us just have to pay for their stupidity.

Obama lied. Affordable care died.




This sums it up a lot, if you wanted to have lower health care costs, you eliminate malpractice lawsuits, the greedy lawyers didn't want Obama Care to change that aspect of the US system.

If you really wanted to lower health care costs, you change the way you practice medicine in the last 2 years of a persons life, you don't blow 90% of a persons lifetime health care costs when they are already 3/4's dead. A universal health care system doesn't allow for blowing $700,000 in the last year of a persons life, it's called basic commonsense, something that US health care does not practice, and Obama Care doesn't change a dam thing.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18958696 - 10/10/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fuck obama. Hes going to fine the american people if they refuse to get a healthcare policy. I don't want to pay $250 a month when I'm healthy as a horse. Thats around 3000 dollars a fuckin year!


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: mpd]
    #18958727 - 10/10/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mpd said:
Quote:

bloodsheen said:
Um basically its because this country is secretly totally fucking bankrupt, and every year we spend more money while reducing taxes. Every time a democrat wants more spending people allow it cause its normally for a good cause, and every time a republican wants to reduce taxes people allow it cause, fuck, who wants to give the government more money?

Republicans hate to give money away (which is ironic considering the percentage of republicans that are dumb poor trailer trash who would actual profit from democrat programs). Republicans believe that because you didn't grow up in a mansion you aren't allowed to have basic health care. And due to their inability to sack up and tax people, there isn't really enough money to due so. And the worst part is that this bill is being implemented during a time in which our country is really REALLY fucking bankrupt and we are just now getting back on our feet.

So essentially the reason its bad is poor timing, racism (come on, you all know theres a little of that in everything the republicans do), no money, and the worst political atmosphere this country has ever known




When you lower the marginal rate of taxation it increases the number of people in the pool and this has the impact of lessening pressure on wages and investment, so investment increases and this triggers the demand schedule for wages and employment, thus creating even more tax receipts.  This has happened again and again and again in our history.  Lowering tax rates increases tax receipts.

The Republicans demanded a tax decrease and this year we are going to take in more money than ever before.  Square that with your rhetoric.




I find it highly unlikely that the Republicans have some sort of keen insight on where exactly to put us on the Laffer curve.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #18958798 - 10/10/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Konichiwaffle said:
Yeah dude, I'm talking 300+ lbs.  Far exceeding their normal BMI.  People who already have health-related issues primarily because of their obesity.

I would say on average, I get patients 300+ lbs 3 out of the 5 days I work with type II diabetes, pvcs, apnea, high blood pressure, etc.

Many patients actually come in our lab with a Big Gulp.  I live in the South, by the way.



Ohhhhh:lolsy: I see.

I'm in the south as well and I know what your taking about 300+ are everywhere!


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: qman]
    #18958809 - 10/10/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
if you wanted to have lower health care costs, you eliminate malpractice lawsuits, the greedy lawyers didn't want Obama Care to change that aspect of the US system.

If you really wanted to lower health care costs, you change the way you practice medicine in the last 2 years of a persons life, you don't blow 90% of a persons lifetime health care costs when they are already 3/4's dead. A universal health care system doesn't allow for blowing $700,000 in the last year of a persons life, it's called basic commonsense, something that US health care does not practice, and Obama Care doesn't change a dam thing.




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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #18958831 - 10/10/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fuck obama. Hes going to fine the american people if they refuse to get a healthcare policy. I don't want to pay $250 a month when I'm healthy as a horse. Thats around 3000 dollars a fuckin year!




So pay the penalty like I suspect a great many will do.

It's but $95.00 per person or 1% of your previous years income, whichever is the greater.

Even in 2016 the max penalty is $695.00 per person or 2.5% of income. Imagine what your 3000.00 per year policy will cost then!


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    #18959875 - 10/10/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:
fuck obama. Hes going to fine the american people if they refuse to get a healthcare policy. I don't want to pay $250 a month when I'm healthy as a horse. Thats around 3000 dollars a fuckin year!




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The fine for not getting coverage is cheaper than paying the tax itself and it's not even arrestable they just garnish that shit from your return.  If you have a good accountant or can do it yourself then you just make sure you get exactly $0 tax return and don't pay the fine at all and voila you're off the hook and the system crumbles away because that's what everyone else will be doing too.

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    #18959900 - 10/10/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i'm not sure--still hasn't shown me his birth certificate



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    #18959925 - 10/10/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Personally I will not be satisfied unless he can come up actual footage of the birth that clearly shows in a continuous shot that it took place in Hawaii on the claimed date. Ideally it would start out as one of those shots they do in movies where it zooms in from space.


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    #18959942 - 10/10/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You mean his team of decepticons published a fictional birth certificate they printed that morning to quell opposition to The Savior


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    #18959950 - 10/10/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This is a totally bullshit socialist takeover of the system.



Socialist? Look, when you throw around terms like socialist without fully understanding what it means, it does nothing but discredit you.

Socialism =  “a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.”


I don't see how keeping your fellow countrymen healthy falls under that category.  :awkwardconfusion:


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I'd say health and insurance are both major industries.


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    #18959964 - 10/10/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd say health and insurance are both major industries.




Even the socialists disagree with you.


"Obamacare cannot be considered socialist in any way," according to Greg Pason, the national secretary for Socialist Party USA.


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    #18959966 - 10/10/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #18959972 - 10/10/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Fuck the socialists their opinion doesn't mean shit because they're socialists.



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    #18960020 - 10/10/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know about you guys, but I think I can can confidently say without knowing what socialism is that it sounds really bad and scary.


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I'm put off by isms in general :shrug:


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I'd say health and insurance are both major industries.




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    #18960199 - 10/10/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't understand how the US let their healthcare system become so fucked up. Something should have been done in the 60s or something. Now its too late and sick people is now a business...


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Synthe]
    #18960328 - 10/10/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This is a totally bullshit socialist takeover of the system.



Socialist? Look, when you throw around terms like socialist without fully understanding what it means, it does nothing but discredit you.

Socialism =  “a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.”


I don't see how keeping your fellow countrymen healthy falls under that category.  :awkwardconfusion:



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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: psi]
    #18960366 - 10/10/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd say health and insurance are both major industries.




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Socialism =  “a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.”







tl;dr people are fucking stupid.

All the ACA does is put caveats on a system already in place.

Saying Obamacare is a socialist takeover of healthcare is like saying Dodd-Frank was a socialist takeover of Wall Street.


People need to open a dictionary before they start throwing buzzword laden tantrums,  I'm looking at you starfire.


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    #18960408 - 10/10/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Personally I will not be satisfied unless he can come up actual footage of the birth that clearly shows in a continuous shot that it took place in Hawaii on the claimed date. Ideally it would start out as one of those shots they do in movies where it zooms in from space.



:lol:

I wish all movies, especially documentaries and pornos, started out zooming in from space. I mean, how the fuck are you supposed to know exactly where it is if it doesn't start from 100 miles above the atmosphere?


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Patlal]
    #18960485 - 10/10/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Privatized insurance dating back to the invention of Blue Cross Blue Shield, which was actually started at Baylor Hospital here in Dallas, TX.  Basically, BCBS was made to protect doctor's interests and payments.  Mix this with the growing success of BCBS, encourages other insurers to enter the medical business. The gov't gets involved with tax incentives to companies who provided health insurance to their employees.

BCBS shifts gears, starts charging premiums based on age, gender, health status, etc., other insurers have no choice but to follow due to competition of market.  Medicine and medical technology becomes more sophisticated.  Cost of healthcare rises.  During the 60s JFK-LBJ administration tries to reform the healthcare system.  Medicare is born-gov't agrees to reimburse doctors for taking in elderly and poor.  Healthcare costs continue to rise, this time at an exponential rate due to lawsuits and malpractice issues.  Medicare costs rise because it's still based on the outdated model it originally was set up as,  leaving little protection for fraud and abuse of the program continues, costing billions of lost tax dollars.

Since US was never able to adopt a national healthcare system, profiteering of the healthcare system took place and built a backwards system based on the risk of insuring you.

Insurance companies now dictate how a physician can practice medicine, more or less, because that's where he gets his income.


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Insurance companies now dictate how a physician can practice medicine, more or less, because that's where he gets his income.



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    #18960502 - 10/10/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not sure if serious.


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    #18960531 - 10/10/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hope you're being facetious.


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    #18960541 - 10/10/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If doctors had their way, they would treat every ailment to the best of their abilities...even for patients who simply aren't worth the trouble.

Someone has to make a cost/benefit analysis and determine whether it's worth it to spend X dollars on this particular patient.  Lets face it, the world would be a better place with less people, and some people are just more trouble than they're worth.


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    #18960553 - 10/10/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Now you done fucked up...


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    #18960580 - 10/10/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Lets face it, the world would be a better place with less people




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    #18960657 - 10/10/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People die of disasters that are inevitable, regardless of how healthcare is reformed.

I understand your mode of reason, Enlil, but obviously it's not the correct solution considering how bad our current system is.  It's essentially corporate fascism at its finest.  A group of businesses decide who lives and who dies based on corporate profit.

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I'd be all for a random lottery picking 5-6 billion people to euthanize, too...whatever solution works.


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    #18960703 - 10/10/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Damn dude...
Is this some kind of reverse psychology tactic you use as a defense attorney?


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Enlil]
    #18960792 - 10/10/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

but Enlil you would be out of a job. Most of the poeple you defend fall into that catagroy of "to much trouble". All your Clinets would be euthanized. But sitll in your world I wonder if health care would be afordible.
Now to change the subject. In regards to the subject. Basically your being forced to buy health care. Insurrance that is. I think it is a grand deal for the insurance companies. I bought stock in some companies and as of Oct 1 things are good.I think I can afford health insurrance now. Big buesness at its finiest.    I work in medicin I know how much stuff cost and the markup is criminal.  Drug dealers on the streets don't make that much money. But I know  It cost a lot of money to feel up a yhat.  And hell that condo in the Cayman Islands very exspensive. All this at your exspence.


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Eddeee]
    #18960810 - 10/10/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"feel up a yhat"?

What is a yhat, and why would you want to feel one up?

Research is incredibly expensive and highly speculative.  For every successful drug that is developed, many fail before they're ever ready for market.  The successful ones have to fund not only the research to create that drug, but also has to fund the research that went nowhere.


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    #18961260 - 10/10/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Insurance companies now dictate how a physician can practice medicine, more or less, because that's where he gets his income.



As it should be.  Health care is too important to be left to the doctors




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    #18961278 - 10/10/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The elderly should get the maximum amount of care, while the younger should get minimal care.  The point is to reduce population.  The old are going to die soon anyway, but if we can get some of the young to die prematurely, that will have the biggest impact on the population...

Particularly if we can get them to die before they get a chance to procreate


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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Enlil]
    #18961336 - 10/10/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so with this new healthcare plan. what if I brake my pelvis and im outta work for a year or two and cant pay for my health insurance?!  So I get fined because i can't pay for my health even though i was and the health insurance basically put me in the position of not being able to pay it anyways?  what a waste of money. :mad2:


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    #18961343 - 10/10/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How did the insurance put you in that position?  Are you alleging that the insurance company broke your pelvis?


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    #18961376 - 10/10/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The elderly should get the maximum amount of care, while the younger should get minimal care.  The point is to reduce population.  The old are going to die soon anyway, but if we can get some of the young to die prematurely, that will have the biggest impact on the population...

Particularly if we can get them to die before they get a chance to procreate




"The elderly should get the maximum amount of care"

Well, that attitude is what creates incredible costs to the system, and unnecessary pain and suffering for the patients.

It's no mystery that doctors love to treat the elderly on Medicare, the odds of malpractice are slim (the patient is already fucked), and the procedures are very expensive (high profits and low risk).

Why spend $200-$300k on a half dead person that is going to live for another 12-24 months?  It makes no sense. Doctors get rich with no risk, and the rest of the people get fucked with poor care and high costs.


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    #18961409 - 10/10/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

*cough*boomergeneration*cough*


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Your priorities are clearly very different from mine.


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Your priorities are clearly very different from mine.




You want to live into your 100's regardless of the monetary costs placed on everyone else, and the physical pain associated with that goal, then yes our priorities are clearly different.  :cookiemonster:


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Anyone ever see Logan's Run?


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    #18961598 - 10/10/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I want the planet to have 1 billion or less people on it.  I don't concern myself with physical pain or monetary costs, though.


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I want the planet to have 1 billion or less people on it.  I don't concern myself with physical pain or monetary costs, though.



Well then you can move to a planet with that many people on it.

I hope ya'll keep adding your comments to this thread. I'm sure eventually there is a point of event horizon where all of the misinformation will collapse upon itself.


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    #18961825 - 10/10/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah dude, I'm talking 300+ lbs.  Far exceeding their normal BMI.  People who already have health-related issues primarily because of their obesity.

I would say on average, I get patients 300+ lbs 3 out of the 5 days I work with type II diabetes, pvcs, apnea, high blood pressure, etc.

Many patients actually come in our lab with a Big Gulp.  I live in the South, by the way.





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    #18961848 - 10/10/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's no mystery that doctors love to treat the elderly on Medicare





problem is... medicare doesnt like to pay the doctors so many doctors refuse
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Dawks]
    #18962178 - 10/11/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dawks said:
You'll notice in america's inner cities with healthcare for anyone who wants to go to an emergency room there are often mentally and physically ill people living on the streets, pissing and shitting everywhere and committing opportunistic crime to survive.






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