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kakashi68
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Someone explain Obamacare to a non american?
#18957376 - 10/09/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well in Australia we have a medicare levy which is 1.5% of your income and grants you pretty much free health care plus worksafe and TAC(110% free health care for accidents on road and at work(like as in they will give your income if need for like 3months). Some people also have private health care and doctors visits are often free or around $10. I always hear about american having to pay like 5-6 figure payments to hospitals for treatments.
So like why is obamacare so bad?
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Edited by kakashi68 (10/09/13 11:48 PM)
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68]
#18957393 - 10/09/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#18957398 - 10/09/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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so Obama's a Mexican?
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18957402 - 10/09/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm not sure--still hasn't shown me his birth certificate
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#18957419 - 10/10/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obamacare is basically a mild version of Canada's health care system.
Why people republicans are so against it is beyond me.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68]
#18957450 - 10/10/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Before insurance its about 4-500 dollars for an appointment, an mri is over 2000 dollars etc, health is expensive
Edited by NotTheDevil (10/10/13 12:10 AM)
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Nimpo]
#18957457 - 10/10/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pros
Less people having emergencies in the long term.
Cons
Hospital equipment prices varying widely for no reason.
Won't drive down prescription pill cost.
It's extremely expensive to become and pay for a doctor.
Probably has nothing to do with illegal aliens.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Nimpo]
#18957466 - 10/10/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Um basically its because this country is secretly totally fucking bankrupt, and every year we spend more money while reducing taxes. Every time a democrat wants more spending people allow it cause its normally for a good cause, and every time a republican wants to reduce taxes people allow it cause, fuck, who wants to give the government more money?
Republicans hate to give money away (which is ironic considering the percentage of republicans that are dumb poor trailer trash who would actual profit from democrat programs). Republicans believe that because you didn't grow up in a mansion you aren't allowed to have basic health care. And due to their inability to sack up and tax people, there isn't really enough money to due so. And the worst part is that this bill is being implemented during a time in which our country is really REALLY fucking bankrupt and we are just now getting back on our feet.
So essentially the reason its bad is poor timing, racism (come on, you all know theres a little of that in everything the republicans do), no money, and the worst political atmosphere this country has ever known
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Nimpo]
#18957498 - 10/10/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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*cough*corporategreed*cough*
Although, there are definitely flaws to consider for Obamacare. Gov't controlled healthcare means gov't dictates how doctors practice medicine. Same way medicare has dictated the medical field for years. It's absolute bullshit how much authority insurance companies have over the medical field. Under Obamacare, there is estimated to be higher health costs from hospitals and private practices. Plus higher taxes, obviously. The rest of the world doesn't note all the little secret taxes we have to pay in the form of registrations, licenses, fees, and social programs (SS and medicare)here in the states.
It seems to be more inclined for younger people and more detrimental for the elderly because of the slash in medicare payment cuts.
I imagine there to be a better way, but socialized healthcare is such a hard cookie to cut.
I work in the medical field, and all I know is this. Either way, our healthcare system before Obamacare sucked just as much.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: bloodsheen]
#18957507 - 10/10/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have heard that once obama care is set-up there will be these "forced home visits" by government agents. Basically it doesn't have to involve kids, If anyone in the family even smokes cigarettes they are subject to these visits by government agents, and I saw it on youtube but then I read some articles from reputable sources I think it was huffington- accurate enough I guess. Theyre justifying this in the name of health care. Basically if this is true almost any families house is subject to a search without a warrant. Please someone prove this wrong because it bugs me out!
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
#18957513 - 10/10/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Um basically its because this country is secretly totally fucking bankrupt, and every year we spend more money while reducing taxes
This too.
Plus an estimated 159 new agencies, boards, and administrations in the midst of how supposedly broke our gov't is.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
#18957538 - 10/10/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think it is the fact that you will get fined if you don;t. which i agree is TOTAL bullshit.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: crimsonking91]
#18957566 - 10/10/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's false. Although many Americans wouldn't be surprised if something like this was implemented in the future.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Konichiwaffle] 2
#18957617 - 10/10/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's an attmept to fix a system that has problems by inserting the fucking government in it as a middleman. I mean, just look the US government really has a great record of running shit efficiently.... 
it's a way for fucking authoritarian statists to get control over people. the other day, I heard that one of the 'issues' with Obamacare was the 'The Department of Homeland Security doesn't have their computers synched up with the healthcare system yet'
Why would the department of homeland security need to have any access to people's personal medical records? Why are the enforcers of 'Obamacare' 15,000 new TAX REVENUE AGENTS????
This is a totally bullshit socialist takeover of the system. The US is bankrupt--nobody buys the bonds anymore, and the economy is a stagnant piece of shit under the shuck and jive commie asshole.
This program is another big spending government program that the government doesn't have money for.
the middle class--what's left of it--is going to get fucked by this, it will destroy and seriously shrink the middle class. What will be left is a poor class, and the rich, fucking, asshole elitists that run the government.
The other reason people are against it is that they are beginning to see that its going to make them go into their wallets if they are working, and priviledged classes--government workers, the super poor, and certain unions--are exempt from it.
The working people in the US are going to feel like they have been fucked by an elephant dick by the time this Turd comes to fruition.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: starfire_xes]
#18957635 - 10/10/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's a way for fucking authoritarian statists to get control over people. the other day, I heard that one of the 'issues' with Obamacare was the 'The Department of Homeland Security doesn't have their computers synched up with the healthcare system yet'
I think that just answered homeboy's question regarding forced gov't house visits.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: kakashi68]
#18957639 - 10/10/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, let's force people to get insurance.. then if they are too poor to pay for their healthcare because they were too poor to pay for it before... we'll FINE them.. that'll show em... haha
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Shroomism]
#18957657 - 10/10/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The fine for not getting coverage is cheaper than paying the tax itself and it's not even arrestable they just garnish that shit from your return. If you have a good accountant or can do it yourself then you just make sure you get exactly $0 tax return and don't pay the fine at all and voila you're off the hook and the system crumbles away because that's what everyone else will be doing too.
This is going to be a shit show.
Edited by abltsandwich (10/10/13 01:38 AM)
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Shroomism]
#18957669 - 10/10/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Star, how has the government been inserted as a middle man? (Unless you consider any law to be government being a middle man)
I wish the government were actually a player, instead of just a referee. I wanted the government as a middle man option in Obamacare, but that was just too abhorrent for congress. Since when does more options mean less freedom?
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]shivas.wisdom said: i'm not sure--still hasn't shown me his birth certificate
He didn't show YOU his birth certificate, but he did produce it. Not that this is a legitimate issue. In the 2008 election, there was only one person on the November ballot who wasn't born in the US, and it wasn't Obama,
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Shroomism said: Hey, let's force people to get insurance.. then if they are too poor to pay for their healthcare because they were too poor to pay for it before... we'll FINE them.. that'll show em... haha we'll subsidize the insurance or even completely pay for it.
Fixed.
If people have the legitimate opportunity to purchase insurance and they refuse to do so, they should be fined. It's the only way to recover some of the costs they will force everybody else to absorb when they can't pay for whatever service they may need in the future.
Everybody will need healthcare services at some point (or multiple points) and even if you are rich, you probably won't be able to afford it without insurance.
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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: Shroomism]
#18957731 - 10/10/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Hey, let's force people to get insurance.. then if they are too poor to pay for their healthcare because they were too poor to pay for it before... we'll FINE them.. that'll show em... haha

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Re: Someone explain Obamacare to a non american? [Re: koods]
#18957734 - 10/10/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought it's my right to be unhealthy if I want to be.
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