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General Qs about cubes
#18956942 - 10/09/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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1-is it true that cubes' stem are hollow?
2-wat color is the veil? Is it purplish?
3-wats the proportion of fresh to dry weight?
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1) Stems tend to become hollow in higher temps.
2) Veil is a whitish/cream color.
3) Fresh they are generally about 90% water weight.
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Re: General Qs about cubes [Re: mushmagic]
#18957057 - 10/09/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. Agreed about the warmer temperature leading to hollow stems. The inverse is true for cold temps and solid stems.
2. The top side of the veil will usually be purplish from spores deposited onto it unless they are sterile, a red spore variety , or "light" spore depositor.
3. Average proportion is 9:1 water:dry mass but denser fruits grown at lower temps with aforementioned typical solid stems can have a better ratio. Highest average I've seen in one flush ranged between 15-20% dry weight depending on the mushroom.
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isic
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Re: General Qs about cubes [Re: TheMaster]
#18957174 - 10/09/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does humidity have any affect on the stems being hallow? Not sure what the difference between wild and cultivated mushrooms are in this respect, but the wild cubes I would find in Texas had pretty thick full stems with very few having a hallow "tube" present. It's pretty hot in Texas so could other factors be at work. Maybe the grass lowers the wild mushrooms' tempeture?
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Re: General Qs about cubes [Re: TheMaster]
#18957175 - 10/09/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cubensis is a funny mush. They can incubate only at 27+ C yet they can fruit at 15+ C...makes no sense.
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Re: General Qs about cubes [Re: isic]
#18957255 - 10/09/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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isic said: Does humidity have any affect on the stems being hallow? Not sure what the difference between wild and cultivated mushrooms are in this respect, but the wild cubes I would find in Texas had pretty thick full stems with very few having a hallow "tube" present. It's pretty hot in Texas so could other factors be at work. Maybe the grass lowers the wild mushrooms' tempeture?
Temperature , humidity, FAE, GE... They all play important roles during the various stages of development. Genetics is probably a factor at work here also.
I've seen plenty of hollow stems at colder fruiting temps and solid stems from some wild outdoor finds fruiting during the summer heat.
It seems that temperature retards growth, which by and large usually leads to increased density and higher ratios of solid stems.
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Re: General Qs about cubes [Re: TheMaster]
#18957310 - 10/09/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That makes sense. On average, the cubes I would find had shorter thicker stems. Sometimes you could find tall cubes trying to reach out from some tall grass, but overall they were mostly shorter.
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Re: General Qs about cubes [Re: isic]
#18957345 - 10/09/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RR goes into better detail about substrate. It is a combinatory effect really. One must take many factors into consideration.
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RogerRabbit said: Very fast growth causes hollow stems. This can be due to high temperature, or a less nutritious substrate. If you have a nutritious substrate, growth will be slower and stems heavier. If you have a substrate like straw, growth will be very fast, and often hollow stems form. The same thing happens with higher than normal temps. Growth speeds up, therefore hollow stems are more common.
The speed of growth can also have genetic variations, thus a multispore grow with several strains might have some hollow and some solid stems in the same substrate. RR
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Re: General Qs about cubes [Re: Fungi]
#18957394 - 10/09/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fungi said: Cubensis is a funny mush. They can incubate only at 27+ C yet they can fruit at 15+ C...makes no sense.
I may be taking your statement too literally, but cubes do colonize perfectly well at room temp and not only at "incubation" temps. Some use incubators still, but most view this as a dated tek.
They do quite fine around 20-21°C throughout the entire life cycle. It is amazing how robust and determined they are to fruit at all kinds of temperatures though.
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Re: General Qs about cubes [Re: TheMaster]
#18957433 - 10/10/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheMaster said:
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Fungi said: Cubensis is a funny mush. They can incubate only at 27+ C yet they can fruit at 15+ C...makes no sense.
I may be taking your statement too literally, but cubes do colonize perfectly well at room temp and not only at "incubation" temps. Some use incubators still, but most view this as a dated tek.
They do quite fine around 20-21°C throughout the entire life cycle. It is amazing how robust and determined they are to fruit at all kinds of temperatures though.
It's annoying how they don't grow in Melbourne. But thanks for the info. Our summer is about to start.
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