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fapjack
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18956671 - 10/09/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You were not stating facts, you were stating how you lack common sense. I can't prove that the DEA regularly breaks the law, but common sense says that they do.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: fapjack]
#18956722 - 10/09/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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themusicofzann
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: EdibleStereos]
#18956796 - 10/09/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rumor is DPR was a shroomerite, just like YOU
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fapjack
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If he was why did he post his link in the forum no one goes to?
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themusicofzann said: Rumor is DPR was a shroomerite, just like YOU
not true dude. That buddy was loaded. I'm broke as fuck.
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Dr. P. Silocybin
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: zappaisgod]
#18956897 - 10/09/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: This is 100% legal.
You think that what the NSA is doing to spy on the communications of American citizens is legal?
Please, explain. I would love to hear your justification for this breach of privacy.
It is 100% legal to observe who calls who. And if they get a warrant it is legal to read the contents. That is the fucking law. Act accordingly.
So I am supposed to believe that is all the NSA does? They aren't tracking internet usage, Looking for patterns, and flagging users who visit certain sites?
This is the Patriot Act surveillance state.
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smushroom said: I agree with zappa here, they are operating within the law. Also there is no guaranteed right to privacy in the constitution.
The fourth Amendment guarantees my right to privacy against unreasonable search and seizure.
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themusicofzann said: Rumor is DPR was a shroomerite, just like YOU
Rumor is he made one post here and then fucked off.
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Smushroom
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Every single time you sign up to a website, internet service, cable tv service, telephone service, etc they have the Terms of Service that no one actually reads. For *most* websites it gives them the authority to monitor your usage and sell that data for profit. If you agree to allow them to give out your usage data then you have no real expectation of privacy and the 4th amendment doesn't apply.
I am not trying to argue that what the NSA is doing is right, far from it. I disagree with the amount of monitoring they are conducting on American citizens. I am saying that given our current laws they are legally allowed to do what they do. So far everything Edward Snowden has revealed them doing is completely legal given our current laws.
And no, I do not think the NSA has the computing power to actually process 99% of the data they collect and are not making lists based on patterns and flagging users. You are completely overestimating their abilities. It is much easier for them to use that data to go after a specific target than it is to use it to find targets.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Smushroom]
#18957922 - 10/10/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Smushroom said: I am saying that given our current laws they are legally allowed to do what they do. So far everything Edward Snowden has revealed them doing is completely legal given our current laws.
That's not an argument at all. Everything the Nazis did was perfectly legal in Germany as well, I mean they were the guys in charge of the legislature. They were the guys brutally murdering 5 million jews and everything was in accordance with the law. And don't come telling me the US isn't a police state nowadays, because it de facto is. All you have to do is take a look at the amount of people incarcerated, the prison industrial complex, the incarceration and exploitation of minorities, the petty shit you can get into prison for nowadays, the cutting of civil liberties in the last decades and the amount of surveillance that surpasses anything the Stasi or GeStaPo did. Oh, I forgot to mention the torturing and taking away peoples liberty without court decision going on in Guantanamo bay. This shit is real and to me it appears as if you're trying to play it down. Oh, yeah, it's legal, right?
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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
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zappaisgod said: This is 100% legal.
You think that what the NSA is doing to spy on the communications of American citizens is legal?
Please, explain. I would love to hear your justification for this breach of privacy.
It is 100% legal to observe who calls who. And if they get a warrant it is legal to read the contents. That is the fucking law. Act accordingly.
So I am supposed to believe that is all the NSA does? They aren't tracking internet usage, Looking for patterns, and flagging users who visit certain sites?
This is the Patriot Act surveillance state.
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smushroom said: I agree with zappa here, they are operating within the law. Also there is no guaranteed right to privacy in the constitution.
The fourth Amendment guarantees my right to privacy against unreasonable search and seizure.
The word privacy is not in it and reasonable is open to interpretation. Data mining is not an infringement on your privacy since it is a monitoring of public activity. Who you call is public information. What you say is protected.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: zappaisgod]
#18958787 - 10/10/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: dfoolz]
#18958805 - 10/10/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are eyes everywhere. Act accordingly.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: zappaisgod]
#18958807 - 10/10/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The word privacy is not in it and reasonable is open to interpretation. Data mining is not an infringement on your privacy since it is a monitoring of public activity. Who you call is public information. What you say is protected.
I'm curious about how you're defining the term "public information." Can just anyone obtain your call logs?
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Magicman69
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: dfoolz]
#18958812 - 10/10/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My college English teacher (who's ex Navy) Claimed that there is nothing the NSA can't crack online. He said if they want your information, they will get it (A lot of times illegally). Being the good Shroomerite I am I mentioned Tor, and he said hes positive they have beat the Tor system but would never openly admit to spending so much money on spying on us
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zappaisgod
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: psi]
#18958827 - 10/10/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The word privacy is not in it and reasonable is open to interpretation. Data mining is not an infringement on your privacy since it is a monitoring of public activity. Who you call is public information. What you say is protected.
I'm curious about how you're defining the term "public information." Can just anyone obtain your call logs?
Doesn't the phone company have them? If you are walking down the street and a camera nearby records you talking to somebody is that private? The content can be reasonably assumed private up until they get a warrant but the fact that you spoke over public transmission lines is not.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Magicman69]
#18958834 - 10/10/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: My college English teacher (who's ex Navy) Claimed that there is nothing the NSA can't crack online. He said if they want your information, they will get it (A lot of times illegally). Being the good Shroomerite I am I mentioned Tor, and he said hes positive they have beat the Tor system but would never openly admit to spending so much money on spying on us 
Stop flattering yourself.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Magicman69]
#18958835 - 10/10/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: My college English teacher (who's ex Navy) Claimed that there is nothing the NSA can't crack online. He said if they want your information, they will get it (A lot of times illegally). Being the good Shroomerite I am I mentioned Tor, and he said hes positive they have beat the Tor system but would never openly admit to spending so much money on spying on us 
He's wrong. He doesn't understand how Tor works, and he doesn't understand how encryption works. The NSA nor anyone as of now can crack a 4096 bit encrypted message (or higher) - it would take thousands upon thousands of years. It's mathematically impossible until we get processing power that can complete that task. Even a 1024 bit key is unbreakable as of now, however they may become breakable in the future. This is why using a higher bit key such as 4096 ensures your encrypted message will not be decrypted anytime in the distant future.
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I argued this, he said they don't need to break the encryption. He said they look for loopholes and most users aren't savvy enough to know them all, because the NSA doesn't expose there secrets. Just like OP said, they send the information to another agency who arrests you, and then says nothing about how the information was actually gained. I think hes on tin foil hat status, unless your fucking Bin-Laden or someone like that, I don't see the NSA fucking with you
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Magicman69]
#18958896 - 10/10/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: I argued this, he said they don't need to break the encryption. He said they look for loopholes and most users aren't savvy enough to know them all, because the NSA doesn't expose there secrets. Just like OP said, they send the information to another agency who arrests you, and then says nothing about how the information was actually gained. I think hes on tin foil hat status, unless your fucking Bin-Laden or someone like that, I don't see the NSA fucking with you
Well there are not "loopholes" in encryption, that being said someone can use complete encryption and still make slip ups (eg: DPR) - that is how they catch you. It's a game of chess - you always have to be thinking 10 steps ahead of them.
For example, DPR should have assumed from the beginning that the feds had control of his server. When you are developing something such as that, you have to assume the worst has happened. DPR did not - and as a result when the feds had access to the server(s) they were able to access him, as he just used a VPN (that kept logs!!!). It's all there in the indictment. It makes me think that DPR never had any formal or informal software security training.
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tymoteusz3 said: It makes me think that DPR never had any formal or informal software security training.
I agree with you there for sure. He seemed to be intuitive and able to code, but as you can see his undergraduate degree was in Physics, and went for Materials Science for his MS.
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