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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Obamacare [Re: Imperfect Iam] * 1
    #18955971 - 10/09/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't understand why you have such a big prob. With this after you have been dropped from so many insurers? I don't agree with you at all on this topic but wtf I also don't want you to die of a possibly treatable cancer that you will be covered under obamacare? What is the deal fellow shroomerite? And telling people they swallow dick taters wtf?




Obama is a dick tater and some people swallow everything Obama whole.

I was dropped because of Obamacare.  They didn't drop me.  They dropped the entire class of coverage.  Until it passed I had the same insurance through three cancers, two expensive, potentially fatal ones.  I also don't want the government anywhere near my medical records or making medical decisions about me.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #18956006 - 10/09/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I would expect most people here to be in favor of drug legalization, I mean, for everything -- no mater how hard.




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zappaisgod said:
I think I am almost the only one




:strokebeard:

I've walked to some pretty out-of-the-way places, in desert and tundra and in caves. I've been covered with water, so deep, that I didn't know which end is up. I have learned to dig wells and protected myself, when the odds were against me.

I have tried some unusual things and commented at the Shroomery.

It had occurred to me that, if I was in any way incapacitated, noone would be there to help. Noone particularly cared, and I made peace with that.

I respect voluntary charity, and encourage people to give to a worthwhile cause. But, involuntary charity is in the same category as a mugging.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: durian_2008]
    #18956041 - 10/09/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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durian_2008 said:
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durian_2008 said:
I would expect most people here to be in favor of drug legalization, I mean, for everything -- no mater how hard.




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zappaisgod said:
I think I am almost the only one




:strokebeard:

I've walked to some pretty out-of-the-way places, in desert and tundra and in caves. I've been covered with water, so deep, that I didn't know which end is up. I have learned to dig wells and protected myself, when the odds were against me.

I have tried some unusual things and commented at the Shroomery.

It had occurred to me that, if I was in any way incapacitated, noone would be there to help. Noone particularly cared, and I made peace with that.

I respect voluntary charity, and encourage people to give to a worthwhile cause. But, involuntary charity is in the same category as a mugging.




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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #18956370 - 10/09/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You guys need to look at the bright side of the ACA.  If you 1) Do not qualify for a government subsidy 2) Are a working person in the middle class 3) and you make sufficient income to live from paycheck to paycheck 4) are not a member of a protected class--a union, group, organization, or government employee who is exempt from the ACA,

You have the honor of paying for the insurance yourself, and your taxes pay the insurance for the Elite classes and the poor.

In that case, under the ACA, your insurance provider that you pick must supply you with a gallon jar of KY-jelly.  :smirk:


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Re: Obamacare [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #18956525 - 10/09/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ironically, the blue collars and dependents are taught to say that they are the middle class, which is not the classical definition.

White collar execs, entrepreneurs, and the independently-wealthy are middle class.

You are not upper class, unless you are royalty or can afford to peddle influence.

The class warfare narrative says the self-sufficient are aggressors and deserve to be expropriated -- by force, if necessary.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #18957112 - 10/09/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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durian_2008 said:


The class warfare narrative says the self-sufficient are aggressors and deserve to be expropriated -- by force, if necessary.





That's because the people that wrote the class warfare narrative are commie assholes. 

I think you must be familiar with the environment to survive....I have lived for sometime in the desert of new mexico.  I know what to eat, where to get water, and what the plants can be used for.  I'm pretty cozy in the mountains there too, except its tough in winter when its really cold.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18957338 - 10/09/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't agree with you on a lot on this topic but I do agree with you about having to know about the environment to survive, if what the two of you have said is true about living in caves and shit I respect that shit you 2 must be some bad mofos! I have never done anything like that but if it came down to it I could survive better than most being a nature lover and reading books on survival, most city dwellers, which I am, would shit there pants in the woods for 1 night. I rather enjoyed the one night I got lost on a 4wheel ride, but then again I knew just to play it cool stay put and move in the morning which I did and came out better from the experience!


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Re: Obamacare [Re: durian_2008]
    #18957667 - 10/10/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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durian_2008 said:
Ironically, the blue collars and dependents are taught to say that they are the middle class, which is not the classical definition.

White collar execs, entrepreneurs, and the independently-wealthy are middle class.

You are not upper class, unless you are royalty or can afford to peddle influence.

The class warfare narrative says the self-sufficient are aggressors and deserve to be expropriated -- by force, if necessary.




I have to disagree. In the current economy where trades are looked down upon to some extent compared to jobs requiring college there are many blue collar workers that are middle class. I have friends making 50k+ a year as blue collar workers. The idea that you have to go to college to be successful has caused some increased demand for young people interested in trades. Working with your hands is somehow less important even though many of those jobs extremely highly paid, look at lineman, underwater welders which is one of the highest paying jobs and many more.

A good friend of mine makes 100K+ a year as a lineman which is a blue collar job. That's upper middle class. The thing is when it comes to making money in labor jobs is you have to be willing to do some of the harder jobs. Blue collar is a very wide spectrum.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mycjunky]
    #18958379 - 10/10/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Class differences are not strictly a matter of income, but also result from the amount of responsibility a person is given.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #18958413 - 10/10/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Of which I am aware, ACA would fine charitable hospitals $50,000, which treat people for free.

This administration shut down soup kitchens, for not posting the RDA's -- a possible, medical concern.

Balls and games, which put school children on their feet, were forbidden from entire school districts, because people could get hurt.

In this thought experiment, collegians say they are willing to wear walking helmets, to get a reduction on their premium:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8cBn7ok8pCw
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durian_2008 said:
The class warfare narrative says the self-sufficient are aggressors and deserve to be expropriated -- by force, if necessary.



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starfire_xes said:
That's because the people that wrote the class warfare narrative are commie assholes. 

I think you must be familiar with the environment to survive....I have lived for sometime in the desert of new mexico.  I know what to eat, where to get water, and what the plants can be used for.  I'm pretty cozy in the mountains there too, except its tough in winter when its really cold.




But, I was also referring to the financially self sufficient.

These gullible people are going to think you're the thief and all-around bad guy, while they imprison you and take your things.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Enlil]
    #18995133 - 10/18/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
No, I think Wikipedia is the be-all, end-all of accuracy:

"After President Obama called him the day of the vote, Cao was the sole Republican to vote for the Democrats' health-care reform bill in November 2009"



That was a draft version. The final version - the one that is the "law of the land" was voted on in March of 2010. Cao voted against it then, as did all other congressional Republicans.

The Patient Affordable Care Act became law without a single Republican vote.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Phred]
    #18995178 - 10/18/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He was for it before he was against it.
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The Patient Affordable Care Act became law without a single Republican vote.




Which only goes to show how useless the republicans in Congress were in 2010.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Enlil]
    #18995315 - 10/18/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
He was for it before he was against it.
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Phred said:
The Patient Affordable Care Act became law without a single Republican vote.




Which only goes to show how useless the republicans in Congress were in 2010.



Useless?  More like powerless.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18995357 - 10/18/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The two are indistinguishable in the context of Congress.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Enlil]
    #18995431 - 10/18/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
The two are indistinguishable in the context of Congress.



I disagree.  They can raise a mighty wind and rouse the rabble to vote out the scum.  There are elections every two years.  Shit changes all the time


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18995435 - 10/18/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's true.  I'm not holding my breath waiting for this mighty wind, though.


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