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What would social progress look like?
#18936495 - 10/05/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a straight forward question.
In your opinion, what would social progress look like at this point in time?
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Penelope_Tree] 3
#18936524 - 10/05/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know at all but it surely wouldn't look like the past 10,000 years of human history.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18936571 - 10/05/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my opinion, it would be a collective push to look earnestly and honestly at ourselves and seeing individuals and communities directly addressing their figurative demons, collectively.
Honesty and realism is more often than not demonized as cynicism and negativity, this in itself to me is a testament to how collectively deluded and in denial we are.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#18936670 - 10/05/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It would mean to have an overall increase in our happiness and sustainance. I dont know wat exactly that would look like. There would be multiple ways to arrive at the same place of progress
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Raven Gnosis said: In my opinion, it would be a collective push to look earnestly and honestly at ourselves and seeing individuals and communities directly addressing their figurative demons, collectively.
Honesty and realism is more often than not demonized as cynicism and negativity, this in itself to me is a testament to how collectively deluded and in denial we are.
This would be one possibility of progressing
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18938130 - 10/05/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think their might be a hint of social progress when the epitomy of life for the working class is not limited to a manmade concept known as 'the weekend'.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Withinity]
#18938611 - 10/06/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Raven Gnosis said: In my opinion, it would be a collective push to look earnestly and honestly at ourselves and seeing individuals and communities directly addressing their figurative demons, collectively.
Honesty and realism is more often than not demonized as cynicism and negativity, this in itself to me is a testament to how collectively deluded and in denial we are.
I like this; well said. I think if people could start by acknowledging and accepting these demons as you call them, the first step towards progress could be taken. For most people this is really hard to do and most people don't want to do it. I assume this is a theoretical thread where we can all dream, and it doesn't have to necessarily happen, because if any "social progress" is made, it sure is gonna take a while! It always does, it seems.
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Withinity said: I think their might be a hint of social progress when the epitomy of life for the working class is not limited to a manmade concept known as 'the weekend'.
This is one very very small (so you're right in calling it just a hint) part of it, but still, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I for one have abandoned the "live for the weekend" concept.
I don't know what you guys think of that whole Zeitgeist movement thing but to me that would be social progress, but I don't know that it will ever happen. The only reason I see humanity at such a critical time in our history in such recent years is because it seems we finally have the ability to provide basic resources and food for the entire planet. We're quite far from everyone having their own private aircraft (like in the Jetsons) but setting up a self-sustaining farm harnessing power and energy from the wind, our sun, our water and I believe even geothermal energy is very abundant and resourceful - not one person would need to go hungry again. End the drug war, end war in general, begin to treat other humans better... these are all a million steps ahead though and I don't think any of us will see this happen in our lifetimes, and chances are the entire human race will never see most of these things happen.
Now being more practical, I think on a much smaller level society is always making a little bit of progress. Maybe not socially in the way we behave towards one another (well maybe a little bit, it seems that slowly at least some people are becoming more tolerant) but when it comes to technology and standard of living, for at least some groups of people those things will always be moving forward. I think architecture, modern medicine, transportation/logistics, communications etc are all getting exponentially more amazing. If the whole world doesn't nuke itself I'm actually pretty excited to see what kind of world we'll be living in in 50 years! In just the last ~200 years (since the industrial revolution) everything has gotten so incredibly complex, I'm sure if someone were revived from just 200 years ago to see our world today they'd be awestruck. Shit some of the oldest people still alive today have been around to see the invention of planes, cars, telephones, televisions, etc...
Overall we've always been making a lot of progress altogether as a race and (hopefully) we always will. We just do a lot of stupid things too - those 100 year old people still alive today also lived through the creation of the atomic bomb and things, so who knows where we're all headed.
Looking back at how simple of a question you posed in your OP, I wonder if I went too in depth But I'd have to redirect back to Raven's quote because I think that's definitely a good place to start
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#18939783 - 10/06/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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extreme said: Looking back at how simple of a question you posed in your OP, I wonder if I went too in depth But I'd have to redirect back to Raven's quote because I think that's definitely a good place to start 
No way! I think it's important to think about necessities in terms of social progress. I don't like conspiracy theories (I think it enables people to feel victimized). There are definitely viable options that are capable of being pursued, though (like alternative energy, home gardening, etc), but aren't. Why? It would be difficult - that's my guess. Laziness is the most universal human trait, yes?
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Raven Gnosis said: In my opinion, it would be a collective push to look earnestly and honestly at ourselves and seeing individuals and communities directly addressing their figurative demons, collectively.
Honesty and realism is more often than not demonized as cynicism and negativity, this in itself to me is a testament to how collectively deluded and in denial we are.
I think it would take something like that to get people to work cooperatively towards a common social goal. There's so much blame and victimhood being perpetuated in the media that no one feels compelled to work outside their immediate comfort zone. IDK how to "get in there," though, if you know what I mean. Art seems able to bridge social strata when made accessible.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18939907 - 10/06/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Laziness is the most universal human trait, yes?
Not really imo. People make time for things they care about.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Icelander]
#18939949 - 10/06/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well one cow can turn quickly but a giant heard takes a while to turn and theres way to many fuckin cows these days ya know but the internet lets people talk so much faster so its easier to change things if you look at TOR and the chinese gov there fighting like crazy against the govt. and the internet makes it much much easier
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: lighthouse09]
#18940428 - 10/06/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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and then there's the free porn.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: lighthouse09]
#18949741 - 10/08/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lighthouse09 said: but the internet

Hearkening back to what RG said, I just found this article on Flavorwire, "Why Is No One Talking About the Fact That Chris Brown Was Raped?," that I think illustrates exactly what he's saying. The article answers that question concisely: no one cares that Brown was victimized because he did some horrible things & he is in a vulnerable, easily targeted demographic. I think it's because people look for outlets into which they can funnel negative emotions, and celebrities are easy outlets.
It is MUCH more difficult to understand the interplay of light/shadow qualities in the human psyche than it is to stay superficial and demonize a human than to help him.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18951540 - 10/08/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Penelope_Tree said: It's a straight forward question.
In your opinion, what would social progress look like at this point in time?
In America.
Gender equality, race equality, and equality for everyone. Freedom. Freedom for everyone.
I also maintain that our country runs well as a meritocracy. That is, we "succeed" by putting forth work and hard work pays off. Of course freedom also gives us the ability to live lives that ignore procreation, war, poverty, or serious problems. For the most part our country is a giant playground. Some of us play golf, some of us are doctors, some of us smoke pot, and some of us battle to legalize pot.
I love America.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Icelander]
#18953045 - 10/09/13 06:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Laziness is the most universal human trait, yes?
Not really imo. People make time for things they care about.
it says so in the movie waking life, which is a pretty cool movie and therefore makes it true.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18953065 - 10/09/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think countries taking responsibility for the lesser countries they depend on..
stabilizing of communities, relationships, population, environmental impact etc.
respect for the elderly. chillin the fuck out and not being jerks..?
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: quinn]
#18953955 - 10/09/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To me it would ideally look like this:
No government, no police, no taxes, no laws.
As for what we can hope for in the near future? I think these are good rules to work towards:
Income equality between both genders and all ethnic groups, socialized medicine, repeal of drug prohibition, equal marriage rights for homosexuals, elimination of police brutality, de-popularization of religion, elimination of hate crimes and eradication of sexism.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18955149 - 10/09/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Penelope_Tree said: It's a straight forward question.
In your opinion, what would social progress look like at this point in time?
Chicks would be crawling all over me all the time and I would be rich rich rich
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18955230 - 10/09/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ending prohibition would be an obvious start, but past that things get tricky in my opinion. The only real issue with our society is the innate stupidity of our species.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: Repertoire89]
#18955455 - 10/09/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I doubt ending prohibition would be societal progress but it would be a huge blow for individual rights. They are rarely the same thing. Societal benefits almost always come at a cost of individual liberty.
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: zappaisgod]
#18955653 - 10/09/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I doubt ending prohibition would be societal progress but it would be a huge blow for individual rights. They are rarely the same thing. Societal benefits almost always come at a cost of individual liberty.
That's an interesting idea, in the case of prohibition I don't see how it could harm society. More tax revenues, more money going into the legit economy, more jobs, less prisons, less costs from court and the overall judiciary system, less cops.
Monetarily speaking it seems to me we're losing a lot of money over prohibition on top of individual rights
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Re: What would social progress look like? [Re: zappaisgod]
#18956107 - 10/09/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i don't understand why it would be a blow for individual rights
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