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Invisibleliquidlounge

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When one is wrong but denies it
    #18953318 - 10/09/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you think X = Y, but the correct answer is X = Z. Are you then wrong in regards to what you thought was correct?

This is something people struggle to understand or admit.

NO hope.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: liquidlounge] * 1
    #18953362 - 10/09/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cuz we all have egos that guide us. We get insecure about ourselves and our intelligence when we get proven wrong. And then we go into defense mode and shoot insults at the arguement winner

EDIT: Truly frustating at times


Edited by topdog82 (10/09/13 09:08 AM)


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: liquidlounge] * 1
    #18953364 - 10/09/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'll have no shame in admitting I'm wrong if someone convinces me of it. There's more shame in refusing to admit being wrong once you realise it, because there's no excuse for being a proud moron.

Stubbornness is acceptable only at the end of a fact, no?


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18953410 - 10/09/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Never?  You never have a problem with it?  Ever?


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #18953548 - 10/09/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nope. Because once you realise you're wrong and you admit it, suddenly you're right.

Why continue to defend an invalid argument, once you realise you're wrong? It seems contradictory to be defending your pride while knowing you're still wrong.

If you're stupid and you know it, clap your hands.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18953557 - 10/09/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well congrats, you're the first person I've met in over 60 years who always admits to the world and themselves immediately  when they suspect they are wrong. :bowdown:


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18953619 - 10/09/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Into The Woods said:
Nope. Because once you realise you're wrong and you admit it, suddenly you're right.

Why continue to defend an invalid argument, once you realise you're wrong? It seems contradictory to be defending your pride while knowing you're still wrong.

If you're stupid and you know it, clap your hands.



Faults are ultimately connected to death hence few if any are able to honestly admit they are wrong. At least not the moment they hear they're are wrong. This mechanism revolving denial of death is too ingrained for someone to simply say "I always admit it when I'm wrong because then I'm right" IMO. Of course you could be an exception like Icelander pointed out but I doubt it.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18953766 - 10/09/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Well congrats, you're the first person I've met in over 60 years who always admits to the world and themselves immediately  when they suspect they are wrong. :bowdown:




:raisemyglass:



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liquidlounge said:
Faults are ultimately connected to death hence few if any are able to honestly admit they are wrong. At least not the moment they hear they're are wrong. This mechanism revolving denial of death is too ingrained for someone to simply say "I always admit it when I'm wrong because then I'm right" IMO. Of course you could be an exception like Icelander pointed out but I doubt it.




Well it might not be an instantaneous reaction, I suppose it takes a few seconds to register, but I'm not going to try to maintain a then false sense of pride and consciously make myself look like a fool.

Honestly, I'm surprised that I am an exception, I would have thought there was a lot of people who thought the same way.

Could you elaborate on how faults are connected to death? That's interesting. I've never thought about that.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18953791 - 10/09/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Check out Ernest Becker's book Denial of Death.  He goes into that in some detail.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Icelander]
    #18953825 - 10/09/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Edit: Just ordered it. Thanks.


Edited by Into The Woods (10/09/13 11:38 AM)


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18953926 - 10/09/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Could you elaborate on how faults are connected to death? That's interesting. I've never thought about that.

Faults equal varying risks of death.

FAULT:

a. A character weakness
b. Something that impairs or detracts from physical perfection
c. A mistake
d. A minor offense or misdeed.

From our ancestors chasing the woods for food to Americans fighting towel heads. Or in less critical situations such as messing up at work increasing the risk of getting fired, which again could make you economically vulnerable. This is even the core to when your friend is wrong in regards to subjects of no actual importance, due to this he/she reacts rather irrational.

A character weakness is in other words vulnerability and being vulnerable means death which is mans root to fear, hence being wrong is fearful and no one want to experience fear. This is why you see most people react nutty or anxiously when being wrong.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18953952 - 10/09/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Edit: Just ordered it. Thanks.



Good choice IMO. Don't hesitate posting about it here if you feel for it. :thumbup:

Icelander is Ernest Becker's unborn son.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18955244 - 10/09/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Icelander is Ernest Becker's unborn son.




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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18955857 - 10/09/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



You rang?


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Icelander]
    #18955934 - 10/09/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18960147 - 10/10/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My ego gets a bigger boost from occasionally admitting I'm wrong than it does from always insisting I'm right.

Always insisting I'm right doesn't aid in maintaining the saintly image that I have cultivated of myself.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18961044 - 10/10/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

liquidlounge said:
If you think X = Y, but the correct answer is X = Z. Are you then wrong in regards to what you thought was correct?

This is something people struggle to understand or admit.

NO hope.




I agree. I do it and I see other people do it.

At my university we refer to it as a Self Fulfilling Prophecy. That is, humans tend to have an over confidence in their ideas, especially when opposing counterpoints.

I used to be a lot more hard headed when I was young. Now I am willing to admit I am wrong if I am presented with the correct facts.


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18961992 - 10/10/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I do it until the debate is over. Then later on I think to myself how full of shit I am. :wink:


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: Cactilove]
    #18962062 - 10/10/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for an honest reply. (finally):lol:


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Re: When one is wrong but denies it [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18962105 - 10/10/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes I think the loser to an argument has the most to gain, a closer estimation to the truth.  Therefore,when it comes to arguing, why not?


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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