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Global warming doesn't exist?
    #18954656 - 10/09/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So i have met probably 4 conservatives my entire life. All of them had brought up the idea that global warming doesnt exist. I live in cali, so i rarely have heard the other side of the arguement. I believ that global warming is a very real thing

Could any ppl here explain to me the opposite side of the arguement?


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: topdog82]
    #18954662 - 10/09/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The Earth runs on cycles, has warmed and cooled many times in it's history, well before people were saying it is only man made.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: B_BOY]
    #18954682 - 10/09/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"the air temps arent rising anymore they have leveled off" ive heard this way to many times due to the mass production of co2 into the atmosphere the heat of the planet is rising but it going into the sea not the air thats why the ice caps are melting due to the temp of the water


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18954701 - 10/09/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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B_BOY said:
The Earth runs on cycles, has warmed and cooled many times in it's history, well before people were saying it is only man made.


agreed.  A major thing known about history


Ya in central FL most here are like, "global warming? Why don't you just kill yourself" pretty much verbatim lol.

Look at Iceland and how many active volcanos with that shit coming from them every day of the year. Fuck off with thar global warning shit lol


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: topdog82]
    #18954718 - 10/09/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The Earth warms.

The Earth cools.

Weatherpersons still can't get the weather right a few days in advance.

We're supposed to believe that the prognosticators can somehow predict what the climate will be dozens of years from now. That some think they can, when the climate models have been shown to be so spectacularly wrong, just reveals the arrogance and desperation of those who attempt to sway public opinion.

The Earths temperature has been stable for quite some time now despite the increasing amounts of CO2. None of the models account for this.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18954821 - 10/09/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html



The climate changes.  Good thing, too.  Until 10,000 years ago the planet had been in an ice that had blanketed the Northern hemisphere for 100,000 years.  Alarmists make huge bank scaring the public.  In the seventies it was global cooling.  Some scientists think the results of computer modeling are facts.  They are not.  GIGO.  They made predictions about 15 years ago that have not panned out.  There has been no global warming since their predictions of disaster.  What would a real scientist do?  Scrap his model.  What are these politicians masquerading as scientists doing?  Doubling down and looking for excuses. 

I want to make one fact perfectly clear.  Cheap external sources of energy (i.e. not due to direct human physical labor) is what has allowed us to attain a level of comfort not seen for any species ever.  It started with draft animals and water powered mills and has moved on to fossil fuels and a few other lesser sources.  The other sources cannot replace fossil fuels.  Not hydro, not solar, not nuclear, not wind, not geothermal.  They all have huge limitations that just do not apply to burning of fossil fuels.  There is no replacement.  It would be a catastrophe of biblical proportions if we eliminate fossil fuels to the extent these nutcases insist on.

Eventually fossil fuels are going to run out, although it is a lot further down the road than the alarmists scream about.  The only hope for civilization when that happens is to make our own suns.  Fusion.  That is it.  While we funnel billions of dollars into bullshit that will never amount to cock we are neglecting fission research.  All because of Greenpeace retards that have infested the policy making realms of government.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #18954842 - 10/09/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Therefore we should accept smog, acid rain, and oil spills in our oceans as just natural occurrences.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Lynnch]
    #18954851 - 10/09/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Therefore we should accept smog, acid rain, and oil spills in our oceans as just natural occurrences.



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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18954853 - 10/09/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That and their fear of an explosion that will consume earth.

This whole thing is :lolsy:

Who cares if its global warming or cooling. Its earth and like our body's maintains equalliberium as best as it can, and will continue to do so.

I believe in global equalliberium and it.
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Therefore we should accept smog, acid rain, and oil spills in our oceans as just natural occurrences.



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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18954857 - 10/09/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The only hope for civilization when that happens is to make our own suns.  Fission.  That is it.  While we funnel billions of dollars into bullshit that will never amount to cock we are neglecting fission research.  All because of Greenpeace retards that have infested the policy making realms of government.




Great post but I assume you meant fusion.

Also on the topic of fusion energy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24429621


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Lynnch]
    #18954865 - 10/09/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Therefore we should accept smog, acid rain, and oil spills in our oceans as just natural occurrences.



Global warming, and the negative effects of pollution are different things......
It's almost as if the huge concern about one has shifted attention away from the other.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #18954879 - 10/09/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Therefore we should accept smog, acid rain, and oil spills in our oceans as just natural occurrences.




What does that have to do with the global warming nonsense?  This thread was about globullshit warming.


Smog and acid rain have been drastically reduced even though we are burning far more fossil fuels than ever before.  Smog and acid rain are also byproducts of natural occurrences.  Ever heard of volcanoes?  Do you know how much oil seeps into the ocean naturally.  We need fossil fuels as a civilization.  Period.  Burn it cleaner, fine but it is ridiculous to label CO2 as a pollutant.  It is a naturally occurring gas that has increased from 0.03% of the atmosphere to 0.04%  And this is a fucking catastrophe? 

http://oils.gpa.unep.org/facts/natural-sources.htm

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As pointed out by the National Research Council (NRC) of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, "natural oil seeps contribute the highest amount of oil to the marine environment,




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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #18954885 - 10/09/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The only hope for civilization when that happens is to make our own suns.  Fission.  That is it.  While we funnel billions of dollars into bullshit that will never amount to cock we are neglecting fission research.  All because of Greenpeace retards that have infested the policy making realms of government.




Great post but I assume you meant fusion.

Also on the topic of fusion energy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24429621



  My bad, I did mean exactly that.  I shall edit


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18954908 - 10/09/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
Therefore we should accept smog, acid rain, and oil spills in our oceans as just natural occurrences.




What does that have to do with the global warming nonsense?  This thread was about globullshit warming.


Smog and acid rain have been drastically reduced even though we are burning far more fossil fuels than ever before.  Smog and acid rain are also byproducts of natural occurrences.  Ever heard of volcanoes?  Do you know how much oil seeps into the ocean naturally.  We need fossil fuels as a civilization.  Period.  Burn it cleaner, fine but it is ridiculous to label CO2 as a pollutant.  It is a naturally occurring gas that has increased from 0.03% of the atmosphere to 0.04%  And this is a fucking catastrophe? 

http://oils.gpa.unep.org/facts/natural-sources.htm

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As pointed out by the National Research Council (NRC) of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, "natural oil seeps contribute the highest amount of oil to the marine environment,







yes naturally acid rain occurs, water is acidic and hard, and oil seeps into the oceans. But these natural behaviors have evolved over the course of hundreds of thousands of years to come to an equilibrium. Its when humans accelerate and maintain disequilibrium faster than nature can evolve that will turn this planet into a wasteland.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: theonlysun81]
    #18954940 - 10/09/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Amazingly enough the environment manages to deal with the extra oil in the oceans and, like I said, acid rain has been vastly decreased due to cleaner burning methods.  Although probably not in China, who aren't going to do shit about it.  Oil spills are a temporary local issue and not frequent enough to merit insane measures, like halting oil drilling in the ocean, to stop.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18955016 - 10/09/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The main assertion from global warming deniers is that human beings do not affect the environment, when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that we do. I frankly don't care what your opinion on the science of global systems that few people can completely understand is. I simply find any argument against cleaner, more efficient, and renewable energy idiotic. You're arguing against progress. Why don't you want us to do better?

There's less smog in the air because we've forced people to put catalytic converters in their cars. We cured a bunch of nasty disease once we got our heads out of our asses and realized we shouldn't dump our shit in the same river we were drinking out of. Clean air and water is WAY more important to us as people than a couple of assholes being able to make more money.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Lynnch]
    #18955043 - 10/09/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The main assertion should be to strive for a better environment, but know what the fuck you're talking about before making huge and expensive changes.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: topdog82]
    #18955048 - 10/09/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The undeniable fact is that the scientific community agrees that the planet is warming because of human activities.  There are a few scientists that do not subscribe to that theory, but there is no real debate any longer within the scientific community.

The real debate is about what the effects will be of global warming.  There is no consensus as to what we can expect in the next decade or three.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: topdog82]
    #18955065 - 10/09/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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So i have met probably 4 conservatives my entire life. All of them had brought up the idea that global warming doesnt exist. I live in cali, so i rarely have heard the other side of the arguement. I believ that global warming is a very real thing

Could any ppl here explain to me the opposite side of the arguement?




It does exist, it's been proven 2 or 3 weeks ago. The earth is warming due to human activity and scientist are now 98% sure of it. It was a study made in collaboration of hundreds of scientist worldwide and confirmed by several hundreds more to see if the proper scientific method had been used. It was.

It used to be a 50/50 thing that was unproven so people could be either for or against. Now the evidence is overwhelming. I had to completely change my view on the environment 3 weeks ago, I was part of the clan that it was the natural cycle of things, but apparently it's not that.

As a brand new environmentalist, I have to adjust my behaviors and my views about everyday living. I now have to support ideas like carbon taxes and clean energy and stuff. Even if it costs billions.

Its kinda weird, its not a hippy bandwagon anymore, its proven scientific fact. I am a man of science.

Now, as a provate citizen, changing my views is easy. How long until the government changes its views and adapts, that's another story


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Lynnch]
    #18955073 - 10/09/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

waters will spread the people into the motherland of Russia, and into the oceans, where they will drown.

those who survive will be come Russianese, and speak in a dialect not unlike the Future People from South Park, and we'll homogenize into a peaceful workforce.


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