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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: HalfLight]
    #18950694 - 10/08/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I am reluctantly able to agree with the OP, but I have a pretty confused agreement with it.

First off, I want to emphasize that are on an incredible amount of personal definitions for deities.
I'm more of the thought that 'God' is the universe in its entirety, and that any living and nonliving thing is part of the existing universe, and that all living things are parts of reality experiencing itself in infinite ways.

Here's a quote from the amazing Alan Moore, the author of comics such as V for Vendetta and Watchmen, "The one place gods inarguably exist is in the human mind."
What this quote means to me, is that even if we can't prove the physical existence of any deity, the idea of a higher being exists in every sentient consciousness, which is a piece of the universe, thus God is a reality in billions (or if there is extraterrestrial sentient life, even more) of different ways.

Touching on the idea of an afterlife, here are my beliefs. It is theorized by some scientists that as we come to the last moments of our life, massive amounts of DMT (or it may actually be Bufotenin) is released from the Pineal gland into the rest of the brain, binding to serotonin receptors.
As you contemplate your own life during these last moments, you could feel any range of emotions based on how well you performed throughout in accordance with whatever beliefs you have.
The psychedelic will amplify your feelings in such an big way that if they are positive it could seem like heaven, and if your feelings are negative it could seem like hell.
Soon your body, which is a vessel for the consciousness in your mind, expires, and the last of your consciousness expires as well before these emotions can change, which renders them infinite. This is your afterlife.





FUCKING DING DING DING!

Thats exactly what my acid trip did...

So Either

A ) I'm gonna to Hell no matter what

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B ) I still have a chance to be saved but its very unlikely


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Deathcore]
    #18950703 - 10/08/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I even made a post like that...

I'll see if I can find it.


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Deathcore]
    #18950723 - 10/08/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To lazy to look

But I said something like

You cant lie to yourself, God and Satan are inside of us, while you have an ego death you do die... but when your body physically dies the same thing happens only you don't have a body left to go into so you're stuck in that state...

very very creepy stuff..


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Deathcore]
    #18951159 - 10/08/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well a bad trip without circumstantial causes seems to occur due to the ego being dissipated and the tripper not being mentally prepared, or having too large and/or stubborn of an ego that it's emotionally traumatizing for them.
Someone that has lived a dissatisfactory life most likely hasn't experienced evolution of consciousness enough for them to be prepared for ego-death would definitely not be ready for physical death, which would create hell in event of a psychedelic experience.

I wouldn't worry too much if this trip created hell for you though, as in all likelihood you have a long portion left of your life to reach enlightenment.
This idea has some similarities to Buddhism, but without reincarnation. If you reach enlightenment before physical death, you will enter a nirvana of sorts. The bright, pure, positive manifestation of the mind.


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Deathcore]
    #18952418 - 10/08/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your theory wasn't explained to to much but I kinda get what you are saying.. like there IS..or isn't something beyond all of this... Like we aren't really special..we just ARE...whatever that means..




Yeah, well we all just are, true enough.  There's something underneath all of this and it speaks to different people in different ways.  It speaks to me in particular ways, but now it speaks to me in those ways all the time, straight or tripping.  It doesn't say "I'm God" or shit like that, it just says "hi human creature wassup?"

If you ever manage to contact this stuff you'll know. :thumbup:

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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18953139 - 10/09/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's a shame Deathcore and PrimalSoup are derailing this vital question in regards to OP's position with subjective ramble. I am sure it will be ignored by OP based on this, maybe not now though.


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18953716 - 10/09/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
It's a shame Deathcore and PrimalSoup are derailing this vital question in regards to OP's position with subjective ramble. I am sure it will be ignored by OP based on this, maybe not now though.



That's true LL ....people love to assert their brilliant thought provoking opinions...problem is, ANY TIME you try to describe or define  what this power source is, I call God...you limit it and ultimately fall short.I think Christianity fucked that up alot. I am not a Christian nor Muslim nor Buddhist nor any accepted religion for that reason...but, there is absolutely not a doubt in my mind that God exists.
For example...I personally have witnessed a man so down and out from alcohol and heroin that he lived on the streets of Baltimore eating from dumpsters for 2 years. This man then, by simply praying and doing a few things to help clean up his past and, in turn...trying to help others less fortunate (very important) was able to eventually get his banking job back...then became rich when the bank was sold to a megabank. He remarried and lived a happy content life until he recently died. God was there, my friend just needed to ask for help in a meaningful way.After witnissing many more instances similar to this, I simply cannot deny that God exists.

I know there will be a shit ton of people that will prolly discredit or disprove these facts in their minds...guess that is human nature...to each their own.....Oh, lol...by the way, I love that Cookie Monster.:smile: he was my oldest sons favorite.:sunny::peace:


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #18953793 - 10/09/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

but, there is absolutely not a doubt in my mind that God exists.

Your personal God or same God for everyone?


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18954019 - 10/09/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's a shame Deathcore and PrimalSoup are derailing this vital question in regards to OP's position with subjective ramble. I am sure it will be ignored by OP based on this, maybe not now though.




It's a shame these are open forums for discussion as well. :lol:

Please restate your vital question in non subjective terms and I'll be happy to discuss it. :thumbup:

But because I'm just stupid enough to ignore sarcasm, I'll take a stab at whatever that might be.  You mean this?

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So who is right if you know God definitely exist, whilst some other tripper experienced the complete opposite, that The Devil is the only ultimate being and we're all going to hell?

You're right in your head, the other person is right in his or her head. Ultimately, who knows?




You're arguing with somebody fresh off a psychedelic trip who had a internal experience that they think provides information about alleged dieties in "charge of it all" that everybody else needs to know and which, if they only learn it, will change their life completely?  In other words, a newly minted prophet?  And you're trying to convince them that it's only in their head?  JoeMolloy spent endless amounts of time and keystrokes trying to do that very thing, but he was actually good at it.  Since Joe's not posting in these kind of threads, yeah, maybe we need a new Joe.  I'll nominate you if you're good enough. :thumbup:

You can't get to them that way.  Because not only are they right, they fucking KNOW they're right, because they saw it written in the sky in huge burning letters a mile high, and they, ONLY they, are the ONLY ones to EVER perceive this amazing cosmic truth.

And they will NOT give it up until they trip again, and the mushrooms slap their asses silly, and maybe explain they were only just having some fun, playing with their head, 'cause that's the kind of thing they like to do.  And in about 6 months or maybe less the OP will come back feeling all sheepish about how flat out ignorant they were, and the more posts they make like the OP the more sheepish they'll feel about all the crap they spewed.  That's just the way it goes.

I don't get the "vital" point, though.  Ultimately, nobody knows.  Unless you can do actual science with it.  Which is my approach, and a fairly productive one.  But any Buddhist can tell you that all this God talk is utter crap.  Which is where I started in this thread.  The rest is just delusion, and speculation, based on ignorance.  Risible, in other words.

You have to go beyond language, beyond thought altogether, if you want to get to what's real.  If you think that's subjective, well, I have just two words for you.  Try it.

My breakfast is getting cold. :raisemyglass:

:peace:PS


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18954141 - 10/09/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your personal God or same God for everyone?



Of course, it is my personal God...I cannot vouch for anyone else...I think God meets everyone at their own personal level.The concept of God that I described is what works for me...Spirituality is very personal to me. Your ideas may be different...that's cool as long as you realize that "It" is more powerful than you. From what I have seen, that is the only concept that is a "must".


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18954163 - 10/09/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can't get to them that way.  Because not only are they right, they fucking KNOW they're right, because they saw it written in the sky in huge burning letters a mile high, and they, ONLY they, are the ONLY ones to EVER perceive this amazing cosmic truth.

I don't want to get to them, only strengthen my position.

I don't get the "vital" point, though.

You said it yourself:

Ultimately, nobody knows.


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #18954172 - 10/09/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your personal God or same God for everyone?



Of course, it is my personal God...I cannot vouch for anyone else...I think God meets everyone at their own personal level.The concept of God that I described is what works for me...Spirituality is very personal to me. Your ideas may be different...that's cool as long as you realize that "It" is more powerful than you. From what I have seen, that is the only concept that is a "must".



Is this God the creator of everything or at least humanity?


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18954209 - 10/09/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

thats nonsense, benjamin franklin didnt invent electricity, i did. benjamin franklin is the devil!


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18954529 - 10/09/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You're arguing with somebody fresh off a psychedelic trip who had a internal experience that they think provides information about alleged dieties in "charge of it all" that everybody else needs to know and which, if they only learn it, will change their life completely?  In other words, a newly minted prophet?  And you're trying to convince them that it's only in their head?  JoeMolloy spent endless amounts of time and keystrokes trying to do that very thing, but he was actually good at it.  Since Joe's not posting in these kind of threads, yeah, maybe we need a new Joe.  I'll nominate you if you're good enough. :thumbup:

You can't get to them that way.  Because not only are they right, they fucking KNOW they're right, because they saw it written in the sky in huge burning letters a mile high, and they, ONLY they, are the ONLY ones to EVER perceive this amazing cosmic truth.

And they will NOT give it up until they trip again, and the mushrooms slap their asses silly, and maybe explain they were only just having some fun, playing with their head, 'cause that's the kind of thing they like to do.  And in about 6 months or maybe less the OP will come back feeling all sheepish about how flat out ignorant they were, and the more posts they make like the OP the more sheepish they'll feel about all the crap they spewed.  That's just the way it goes.

I don't get the "vital" point, though.  Ultimately, nobody knows.  Unless you can do actual science with it.  Which is my approach, and a fairly productive one.  But any Buddhist can tell you that all this God talk is utter crap.  Which is where I started in this thread.  The rest is just delusion, and speculation, based on ignorance.  Risible, in other words.

You have to go beyond language, beyond thought altogether, if you want to get to what's real.  If you think that's subjective, well, I have just two words for you.  Try it.




LOL...Mahayanna Buddhism believes in Boddhisatvas....(deities or Gods)that are worshipped. These deities can help them to achieve enlightenment. Just saying that almost all religions, even native americans have a "great Spirit" that the deem as more powerful than themselves.
PS,I too like to look at science and Spirituality...it seems as though the two are being drawn closer and not further apart. There was a study done at the Hubble Space telescope facility in Greenbelt, Md.a few years ago (don't ask me by who, but it was published in the Sun paper)...anyway, they asked all of these astrophysicists and research scientists about their views on spirituality....and, most of them said that they had become more spiritual after a short time working there....what was unfolding in front of them had to have some sort of unexplainable creationism....things they were seeing were just too perfect not to be. Einstein said "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."

I am going to a lecture tonight at JHU on the "Shroud of Turin" because, I think, this may be a point where religion and science meet. This was the supposed linen that was laid over Christs crucified body that has Type AB blood stains at all the place where he was nailed to the cross and also where the crown of thorns would have been....also, a blood stain in the chest where the spear supposedly finished him off. Type AB blood was common in that part of the world in that time period....the linen has already been dated to that time period. What is fascinating to me is the image of a man that is present that scientists say could only have been caused by a very bright flash of light.

Not sure about any of this, of course....but I do have an open mind and would love to hear what science has to say.


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #18954748 - 10/09/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This thread reminds me of that time about 7 years ago when I discovered all the secrets to the Universe, and God, and everything, while tripping, so I got out a notebook and wrote everything down.

To make sure everything I wrote was legible, (I filled a 120 page notebook over 3 hours) I read it aloud to others, then had them read it aloud, and the five other people in my group all agreed it was the real deal holyfield.  A couple spots needed to be worked out, so we adjusted them, clarified them, and wrote more expanding on them.  It was amazing.  We were all crying, it was beautiful, magnificent.  The implications!  The world would finally know peace and each individual would be free to love and be loved.  BUT!  What if they information fell into the wrong hands!  Certainly it would be destroyed.  No!
We would have to play it safe, but figure a plan in the morning.



When we woke up, the notebook looked like this, on every page:


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #18954818 - 10/09/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Allllll righty  then.:rolleyes:


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #18954855 - 10/09/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Please respond baltimark:

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liquidlounge said:
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baltimark said:
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Your personal God or same God for everyone?



Of course, it is my personal God...I cannot vouch for anyone else...I think God meets everyone at their own personal level.The concept of God that I described is what works for me...Spirituality is very personal to me. Your ideas may be different...that's cool as long as you realize that "It" is more powerful than you. From what I have seen, that is the only concept that is a "must".



Is this God the creator of everything or at least humanity?




BEETHOVEN, please respond to my question on page 2. Click me.


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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18955472 - 10/09/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to get to them, only strengthen my position.

I don't get the "vital" point, though.

You said it yourself:

Ultimately, nobody knows.





"Ultimately, nobody knows" is just a short way of saying you can't defend what you're trying to claim. :shrug:

There's a lot more in reality beyond what you or anybody knows that responds to direct interrogation. You don't need to imagine it.  You can call it whatever you want, but I don't call it "God" or much of anything - but I know how to call it, and when it speaks to me I fucking well listen. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: 

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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #18955507 - 10/09/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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LOL...Mahayanna Buddhism believes in Boddhisatvas....(deities or Gods)that are worshipped. These deities can help them to achieve enlightenment. Just saying that almost all religions, even native americans have a "great Spirit" that the deem as more powerful than themselves.




Many branches of Buddhism have their own particular spiritual entities to which devotion can be directed, but they are not worshiped, but there are no "creator Gods" in Buddhism - which is why it's not a religion at all, as in pure form it relies entirely on individual insight to bring enlightenment.  You don't want to be confusing enlightened beings (Bodhisattva) with the particular perversions embodied in creator Gods.  Anybody can become a Bodhisattva (and should!) but nobody can become a creator God, by definition. :lol:

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Re: I have a message to deliver- a message is so simple, but it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE! (trip synopsis) [Re: BEETHOVEN]
    #18955532 - 10/09/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This thread reminds me of that time about 7 years ago when I discovered all the secrets to the Universe, and God, and everything, while tripping, so I got out a notebook and wrote everything down.

To make sure everything I wrote was legible, (I filled a 120 page notebook over 3 hours) I read it aloud to others, then had them read it aloud, and the five other people in my group all agreed it was the real deal holyfield.  A couple spots needed to be worked out, so we adjusted them, clarified them, and wrote more expanding on them.  It was amazing.  We were all crying, it was beautiful, magnificent.  The implications!  The world would finally know peace and each individual would be free to love and be loved.  BUT!  What if they information fell into the wrong hands!  Certainly it would be destroyed.  No!
We would have to play it safe, but figure a plan in the morning.



When we woke up, the notebook looked like this, on every page:





Ah, the editing of forbidden information... Sounds like the Travelers came and paid you a little visit on account of your breakthrough.  Next time, post it on the internet before you go to sleep...I'd like to read it. :thumbup:

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