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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Lynnch]
    #18955085 - 10/09/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The main assertion from global warming deniers is that human beings do not affect the environment, when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that we do.




Of course we do.  Stop raising straw men.  You sound like Obama.
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I frankly don't care what your opinion on the science of global systems that few people can completely understand is.




Few people?  How about NO people.  They made predictions, their predictions were wrong.  Now what?
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I simply find any argument against cleaner, more efficient, and renewable energy idiotic. You're arguing against progress.




Who is arguing against cleaner and more efficient?  What renewable?  It can never take the place of non renewables and they come with their own issues of environmental harm.  Hydro fucks fish.  Wind fucks birds.  Solar has a whole shit load of environmental issues.  Do you have any idea what batteries are made of and how toxic they are?  The stupid curly light bulbs come with a government issued 20 page treatise on how to deal with them if you break one.
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Why don't you want us to do better?




I do want us to do better and I clearly elucidated it.  Fusion.  Fusion or we devolve into a feral state in a few centuries.  That's it.  Evrything else is a jerk off.
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There's less smog in the air because we've forced people to put catalytic converters in their cars. We cured a bunch of nasty disease once we got our heads out of our asses and realized we shouldn't dump our shit in the same river we were drinking out of. Clean air and water is WAY more important to us as people than a couple of assholes being able to make more money.




This has nothing to do with a couple of assholes making money ot is about the whole society.  Speaking of assholes making money have you ever seen Al Gore's carbon footprint?  It's fucking huge.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18955092 - 10/09/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The undeniable fact is that the scientific community agrees that the planet is warming because of human activities.  There are a few scientists that do not subscribe to that theory, but there is no real debate any longer within the scientific community.

The real debate is about what the effects will be of global warming.  There is no consensus as to what we can expect in the next decade or three.




You should stick to law


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Lynnch]
    #18955099 - 10/09/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The main assertion from global warming deniers is that human beings do not affect the environment, when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that we do. I frankly don't care what your opinion on the science of global systems that few people can completely understand is. I simply find any argument against cleaner, more efficient, and renewable energy idiotic. You're arguing against progress. Why don't you want us to do better?

There's less smog in the air because we've forced people to put catalytic converters in their cars. We cured a bunch of nasty disease once we got our heads out of our asses and realized we shouldn't dump our shit in the same river we were drinking out of. Clean air and water is WAY more important to us as people than a couple of assholes being able to make more money.




It was proven (prove me wrong) that the machines and programs tend to overestimate their results. 

Also there is no way I'm going to change my ways. Ill burn plastic and run a motor till the gas is out rather then empty the tank any other way.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18955113 - 10/09/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
The undeniable fact is that the scientific community agrees that the planet is warming because of human activities.  There are a few scientists that do not subscribe to that theory, but there is no real debate any longer within the scientific community.

The real debate is about what the effects will be of global warming.  There is no consensus as to what we can expect in the next decade or three.




You should stick to law



You should stick to framing buildings. 

"In the scientific literature, there is a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18955119 - 10/09/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Enlil said:
The undeniable fact is that the scientific community agrees that the planet is warming because of human activities.  There are a few scientists that do not subscribe to that theory, but there is no real debate any longer within the scientific community.

The real debate is about what the effects will be of global warming.  There is no consensus as to what we can expect in the next decade or three.




You should stick to law



You should stick to framing buildings. 

"In the scientific literature, there is a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming




Enlil is right. It's now 98% sure humans are responsible for it.

Get updated on science dude, you can't just spit out opinions like its a 50/50 issue anymore.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #18955120 - 10/09/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"you should stick to your day job." LOLOLOLOL that's the discourse here :burke:


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18955128 - 10/09/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just because a government wants to go to war doesn't mean everyone wants two. Their are few still in those institutions that don't agree but the majority does do they say "WE"


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: dark3st]
    #18955148 - 10/09/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are still people that believe that the world is flat and that 9/11 was an "inside job."  For any theory, however inane, you can find people stupid enough to believe it.

There is, however, no debate in the scientific community.  There is one in congress (largely along party lines) and in the media...but not in the scientific community.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18955212 - 10/09/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Enlil said:
The undeniable fact is that the scientific community agrees that the planet is warming because of human activities.  There are a few scientists that do not subscribe to that theory, but there is no real debate any longer within the scientific community.

The real debate is about what the effects will be of global warming.  There is no consensus as to what we can expect in the next decade or three.




You should stick to law



You should stick to framing buildings. 

"In the scientific literature, there is a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming




I am quite sure that in the course of your university experience you assiduously avoided science courses.  I did not.  Geography, oceanography, two semesters pre med chem, biochemistry, more.  Here is how science works.  You make an observation and come up with an idea.  Then you test it.  If the ides pans out you test it some more and some other people do too.  These guys had an idea and made a prediction.  IT DIDN'T PAN OUT!  It has been long enough that it is significant.  There is not one shred of real evidence that changing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere from .03% to 0.04% is in any way catastrophic.  It is all speculation and the speculation has been thwarted.  That is not science.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: topdog82]
    #18955227 - 10/09/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is such a thing as natural asphalt, floating in water ways. It has been collected by mankind, since times immemorial, and even feeds it's own microbes. We were told of a fragile crust and great pressure, beyond the ability of mankind to control them. In some cases, they are part of the ecology.

In my region, volcanic vents show up on Doppler radar, as clouds periodically emanating from the same pinpoint, but never moving far from it.  Hotpools come to the surface, in open desert, and are found in nearby caves. The sulfurous smell is arguably geological in scope, is apparent from a much greater distance than automobile exhaust. These same compounds have been prescribed as a way to cool the planet but would result in acid rains.

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Could any ppl here explain to me the opposite side of the arguement?




I understand that, in the 70's, the threat of an ice age was popular.

But, it has been claimed that temperature change, probably resulting from solar cycles, occurs throughout the entire solar system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_decadal_oscillation
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvjupiter.htm

Talking heads on either side of the (hot vs. cold) debate were debunked, so have since blamed change, itself, on mankind.

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We need fossil fuels as a civilization.  Period.







What we tend to call civilization is driven by noble lies, change agents, false flags, and reconstruction.

Voluntary de-industrialization, and coping with it's results, would count as one such disaster.

In ancient times, there were peace pacts and pledges of fealty. With all due respect to the good stewards and free thinkers, asking innocent questions, here, alarmism for it's own sake would have been considered criminal, in those days.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18955233 - 10/09/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can rage and argue all you want, but the scientific community isn't.  I'm sure you're an expert and all, but other experts nearly universally disagree with you.

And you're wrong.  I took a lot of science classes in college.  I even took a class on global warming.  I also took oceanography, biology, chemistry, physics, and Lighting Design (the most scientific of all my classes).


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18955258 - 10/09/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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There are still people that believe that the world is flat and that 9/11 was an "inside job."  For any theory, however inane, you can find people stupid enough to believe it.

There is, however, no debate in the scientific community.  There is one in congress (largely along party lines) and in the media...but not in the scientific community.



There is lots of debate in the science community
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/13/validity-of-marcott-et-al-part-ii/

But you wouldn't know that because of the poodle press who also make bank scaring people.  Let me remind you that in the seventies there was a consensus that we were cooling.

Here's a nifty little feature about science.  You have to prove something to a probability that it isn't chance by about 20 to 1 through experimentation.  Computer models are NOT science.  They made predictions and they were wrong over 15 years during which time emissions  of CO2 went up.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18955263 - 10/09/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You can rage and argue all you want, but the scientific community isn't.  I'm sure you're an expert and all, but other experts nearly universally disagree with you.

And you're wrong.  I took a lot of science classes in college.  I even took a class on global warming.  I also took oceanography, biology, chemistry, physics, and Lighting Design (the most scientific of all my classes).



Then how come you don't know what science is?


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18955265 - 10/09/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

they are basing their assumptions off of computer models? :lol: what is this the Deadliest Warrior?


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18955269 - 10/09/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Therefore my idea of releasing bubbles from the bottom of the ocean with a net charge so the hydrogen and oxygen get stripped from each other under pressure and the natural charge of the ocean causing an increase in O2 and H displacing the CO2

My science is a little off but I've been out of classes for a month or 4


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18955270 - 10/09/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The institutions are funded, accredited organs of a biased state.

And, limiting the number of people, able to receive credentials, is a form of market control, which privileges adherents to their ideologies.

None of their philosophy was necessary to a technical field, formerly learned by apprenticeship.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18955297 - 10/09/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html



The climate changes.  Good thing, too.  Until 10,000 years ago the planet had been in an ice that had blanketed the Northern hemisphere for 100,000 years.  Alarmists make huge bank scaring the public.  In the seventies it was global cooling.  Some scientists think the results of computer modeling are facts.  They are not.  GIGO.  They made predictions about 15 years ago that have not panned out.  There has been no global warming since their predictions of disaster.  What would a real scientist do?  Scrap his model.  What are these politicians masquerading as scientists doing?  Doubling down and looking for excuses. 

I want to make one fact perfectly clear.  Cheap external sources of energy (i.e. not due to direct human physical labor) is what has allowed us to attain a level of comfort not seen for any species ever.  It started with draft animals and water powered mills and has moved on to fossil fuels and a few other lesser sources.  The other sources cannot replace fossil fuels.  Not hydro, not solar, not nuclear, not wind, not geothermal.  They all have huge limitations that just do not apply to burning of fossil fuels.  There is no replacement.  It would be a catastrophe of biblical proportions if we eliminate fossil fuels to the extent these nutcases insist on.

Eventually fossil fuels are going to run out, although it is a lot further down the road than the alarmists scream about.  The only hope for civilization when that happens is to make our own suns.  Fusion.  That is it.  While we funnel billions of dollars into bullshit that will never amount to cock we are neglecting fission research.  All because of Greenpeace retards that have infested the policy making realms of government.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: durian_2008]
    #18955299 - 10/09/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The institutions are funded, accredited organs of a biased state.

And, limiting the number of people, able to receive credentials, is a form of market control, which privileges adherents to their ideologies.

None of their philosophy was necessary to a technical field, formerly learned by apprenticeship.


i agree with this sentiment.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18955301 - 10/09/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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they are basing their assumptions off of computer models? :lol: what is this the Deadliest Warrior?




Yep.  Other than that they got nothing.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18955305 - 10/09/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if people want an answer enough they... make a computer get it for them, no problem. :lol:


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