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zappaisgod
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Not Responding said: whos DPR? a shroomy member? what if and i mean what if ythan is selling our accounts?
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Not Responding said: whos DPR? a shroomy member? what if and i mean what if ythan is selling our accounts?
He's the silk road guy who got busted...
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: TrentBoyett]
#18954867 - 10/09/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh, yall are crazy...
silk was no secret and finding out who ran the shit was no secret either. theres no conspiracy behind this... the dude had an illegal drug site and the dude had illegal drugs. this shit was bound to happen sooner or later.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: zappaisgod]
#18955018 - 10/09/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Any improperly gathered evidence will not be admissable in court.
Actually there was an article about this a little while back. DEA has been using NSA surveillance to pinpoint suspects, then they pull them over with a "routine" stop or something similar, and pretend that the investigation began there. Come to think of it, this sounds like exactly what happened to DPR.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: NetDiver]
#18955175 - 10/09/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My point is "why is that necessary?"
I just outlined and very simple way DPR could have been outed using nothing but google. There is no need to analyze billions of surveillance records to figure it out
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: zappaisgod]
#18955431 - 10/09/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: This is 100% legal.
You think that what the NSA is doing to spy on the communications of American citizens is legal?
Please, explain. I would love to hear your justification for this breach of privacy.
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zappaisgod
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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
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zappaisgod said: This is 100% legal.
You think that what the NSA is doing to spy on the communications of American citizens is legal?
Please, explain. I would love to hear your justification for this breach of privacy.
It is 100% legal to observe who calls who. And if they get a warrant it is legal to read the contents. That is the fucking law. Act accordingly.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: zappaisgod]
#18955557 - 10/09/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with zappa here, they are operating within the law. Also there is no guaranteed right to privacy in the constitution.
The only illegal thing they have actually done is spy on communications of foreign governments and embassies within the US. That is a world matter, not a national one though.
While I don't agree with what they are doing until we actually elect senators and representatives that can actually work together and draft a solution to stop it that can be voted on by the people, there is little that can be done.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Smushroom]
#18955585 - 10/09/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You guys trust our government a lot more than I do... Actually more than 99% of the people on this forum do.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: fapjack] 2
#18955596 - 10/09/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: zappaisgod]
#18955774 - 10/09/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair enough.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: zappaisgod]
#18955949 - 10/09/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: NetDiver]
#18956066 - 10/09/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I trust them to fuck me. Act accordingly
Indeed
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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
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zappaisgod said: This is 100% legal.
You think that what the NSA is doing to spy on the communications of American citizens is legal?
Please, explain. I would love to hear your justification for this breach of privacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
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Samurai Drifter said:
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zappaisgod said: Any improperly gathered evidence will not be admissable in court.
Actually there was an article about this a little while back. DEA has been using NSA surveillance to pinpoint suspects, then they pull them over with a "routine" stop or something similar, and pretend that the investigation began there. Come to think of it, this sounds like exactly what happened to DPR.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805
Except if you'd fully read the federal indictment or criminal complaint you'd see that they only were able to link much to DPR except through retroactive investigation on logged ISP records obtained after copious amounts of subpoenas, communications obtained presumably after copious amounts of subpoenas, and money transferred through legal channels. This information was able to be "disentangled" (as one user above put it) from the cornucopia of logged data only after the feds had a suspect in mind to devote the energy towards.
Actually, one of the Snowden leaks reveal that the NSA has indeed been trying to crack and track Tor users since 2007. Their most recent guidelines as to how to deal with it are to identify Tor users and exploit known security vulnerabilities in their software to track them (i.e. hack them). Other methods involve tracking cookies from google ads. All of this points to the conclusion that the NSA used conventional methods to retroactively link DPR to his crimes only after he had revealed himself as a suspect to the prying federal eyes.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18956113 - 10/09/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lord_McLovin said: Alright, we all know DPR was arrested and that it was because he used the nickname attached to one of his email-addresses before setting up Silk Road. Most importantly, we believe, according to the indictment, that they didn't manage to break the onion network and that it was only a fault on DPR's side (among some others) that got him busted.
he was arrested because he was alleged to have established a criminal enterprise, evaded taxes and conspired to commit a number of criminal acts, not because of his handle on the internet
they didnt need to hack/crack or do anything else with the tor network, the shit isnt as secure as you're led to believe, the feds took their time, they gathered information, they traced the money and they built a case
the NSA needed no involvement, the info the NSA is gathering isnt on you and me and it's nothing important, it's metadata, the same shit your phone company sells to advertisers. the NSA isnt interested in domestic crime
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18956123 - 10/09/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Read my link.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: fapjack]
#18956161 - 10/09/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: Read my link.
your link means dick, the data contains nothing personal, no conversations or anything that's actually important, it's the same shit that your phone company is already selling to other companies but for some reason everyone is upset that the NSA and other agencies have it, why, because they didnt make the big evil corporations even wealthier?
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18956166 - 10/09/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lord_McLovin said: Alright, we all know DPR was arrested and that it was because he used the nickname attached to one of his email-addresses before setting up Silk Road. Most importantly, we believe, according to the indictment, that they didn't manage to break the onion network and that it was only a fault on DPR's side (among some others) that got him busted.
he was arrested because he was alleged to have established a criminal enterprise, evaded taxes and conspired to commit a number of criminal acts, not because of his handle on the internet
they didnt need to hack/crack or do anything else with the tor network, the shit isnt as secure as you're led to believe, the feds took their time, they gathered information, they traced the money and they built a case
the NSA needed no involvement, the info the NSA is gathering isnt on you and me and it's nothing important, it's metadata, the same shit your phone company sells to advertisers. the NSA isnt interested in domestic crime
Says who?
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: mpd]
#18956261 - 10/09/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mpd said:
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Lord_McLovin said: Alright, we all know DPR was arrested and that it was because he used the nickname attached to one of his email-addresses before setting up Silk Road. Most importantly, we believe, according to the indictment, that they didn't manage to break the onion network and that it was only a fault on DPR's side (among some others) that got him busted.
he was arrested because he was alleged to have established a criminal enterprise, evaded taxes and conspired to commit a number of criminal acts, not because of his handle on the internet
they didnt need to hack/crack or do anything else with the tor network, the shit isnt as secure as you're led to believe, the feds took their time, they gathered information, they traced the money and they built a case
the NSA needed no involvement, the info the NSA is gathering isnt on you and me and it's nothing important, it's metadata, the same shit your phone company sells to advertisers. the NSA isnt interested in domestic crime
Says who?
says who what?
you think that DPR was busted because of his moniker/email?
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18956381 - 10/09/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: Read my link.
your link means dick, the data contains nothing personal, no conversations or anything that's actually important, it's the same shit that your phone company is already selling to other companies but for some reason everyone is upset that the NSA and other agencies have it, why, because they didnt make the big evil corporations even wealthier?
Your opinion means dick, and hints to you being a homosexual.
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Re: A thought on how they busted DPR [Re: fapjack]
#18956580 - 10/09/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wasnt expressing my opinion, I was stating facts
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