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When are brf cakes finished?
    #18953101 - 10/09/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Been lurking on the site for quite some time now and I decided to take up pf tek. Had some awesome results so far but I have a few questions. When do you know when a cake has finished its first flush and is ready for its dunk? And also I have been letting cakes go (after flushing 1-2 times) until I see mold (green) them getting rid of them immediately. How can you tell when the cakes are finished? I also have 36 in a FC.... Is it ok to eat the mushrooms on the moldy cake as long as there isn't any mold on the mushrooms? Thanks for the help !


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: mobileaudio25]
    #18953113 - 10/09/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Umm don't eat that.

Obviously you're new here. Don't keep a contaminated cake in there...

For everything else,


These questions have been asked countless time so just look it up.


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: Icesyn]
    #18953151 - 10/09/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If the shrooms themselves look healthy, I'd eat them :shrug:
Of course you dont wanna eat moldy shrooms.

I dont get the other questions.
You know the flush is over because you picked all the fruits?
The cakes are "done" when they stop producing fruits, or go bad from contams.


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: spacechildo]
    #18953209 - 10/09/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What would cause my cake to be contaminated? As soon as I see the green mold I get rid of the cake, but fruits are still being fruited on it? Cakes looked nice and healthy when birthing and have been in fruiting chamber for about 3 weeks. I've pulled a little over 6 oz dried. Sorry I tried the search link and couldn't find any info. Only thing I found we contains during colonization.... Thanks for the help


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: mobileaudio25]
    #18953255 - 10/09/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

that's the problem with so many cakes in one FC one gets sick there all sick tho them all out before you get sick


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: MagicEngineer]
    #18953294 - 10/09/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The mycelium will get exhausted after some time, and get contaminated.
You didn't think the cakes would outlive you, or last forever?

So, age, and all that comes with it will cause your cakes to contam.


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: MagicEngineer]
    #18953308 - 10/09/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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that's the problem with so many cakes in one FC one gets sick there all sick tho them all out before you get sick




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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: spacechildo]
    #18953316 - 10/09/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

As long as the mushrooms themselves aren't moldy you can eat them.

Also this...

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The mycelium will get exhausted after some time, and get contaminated.
You didn't think the cakes would outlive you, or last forever?

So, age, and all that comes with it will cause your cakes to contam.




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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18953342 - 10/09/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoy a psychedelic experience just as much as the next guy, but with that said, my desire to get high is not strong enough to put myself at risk. I am sure there are plenty of people who have consumed some mushrooms that were growing from contaminated cakes and were just fine... but I wouldn't risk it. If they were mine, I would toss 'em.


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: isic]
    #18953373 - 10/09/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I enjoy a psychedelic experience just as much as the next guy, but with that said, my desire to get high is not strong enough to put myself at risk. I am sure there are plenty of people who have consumed some mushrooms that were growing from contaminated cakes and were just fine... but I wouldn't risk it. If they were mine, I would toss 'em.




That's what im saying I wont put myself or anyone else at risk I just start colonizing new cakes after the first flush and you can keep a rotation of fresh cakes going


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: MagicEngineer]
    #18953420 - 10/09/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, I appreciate the advice. I'll get everything out of there and do a full steralization of the tub. Thanks for the responses. I guess I can't be mad about pulling 6oz dry even though they're still fruiting!


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: mobileaudio25] * 1
    #18953452 - 10/09/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

fruiting is not a sterile procedure.
don't throw away your perfectly fine cakes, only the contamed ones.
Magic-schizo keeps posting bad advice all over the place..


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: spacechildo]
    #18953513 - 10/09/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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mobileaudio25 said:
Ok, I appreciate the advice. I'll get everything out of there and do a full steralization of the tub. Thanks for the responses. I guess I can't be mad about pulling 6oz dry even though they're still fruiting!



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fruiting is not a sterile procedure.
don't throw away your perfectly fine cakes, only the contamed ones.
Magic-schizo keeps posting bad advice all over the place..




Not Sterile! Keep you feces covered hands off my white cakes


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: MagicEngineer]
    #18953526 - 10/09/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What about the air in your grow room, filled with nasty mold spores
getting stuck on your cakes every waking second?

Don't post stuff you have no idea about.


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: mobileaudio25]
    #18953542 - 10/09/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah just get rid of your contaminated cakes and you'll be good, once cakes are fully colonized they are pretty contam resistant.

Also I personally guarantee the mushrooms are fine that were growing from a cake with mold on it, as long as there's no mold on the mushroom itself, if you get sick from it I will pay your medical bills.

I've noticed a lot of people give bad advice around here, you can't just blindly listen to people all the time without questioning stuff, especially if they are a noob with a very low post count.

There are a lot of wise people here, some have the trusted cultivator tag to let you know that they know what they're doing. Take what they say into consideration a lot more than you would some random person with 100 posts.


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18953611 - 10/09/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah just get rid of your contaminated cakes and you'll be good, once cakes are fully colonized they are pretty contam resistant.

Also I personally guarantee the mushrooms are fine that were growing from a cake with mold on it, as long as there's no mold on the mushroom itself, if you get sick from it I will pay your medical bills.

I've noticed a lot of people give bad advice around here, you can't just blindly listen to people all the time without questioning stuff, especially if they are a noob with a very low post count.

There are a lot of wise people here, some have the trusted cultivator tag to let you know that they know what they're doing. Take what they say into consideration a lot more than you would some random person with 100 posts.




I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or just low posters in general, but I don't think that telling someone to eat mushrooms from moldy cakes is good advice.

My advice is on the side of caution and I don't have to be a member of the shroomery for a long time with a high post count to give out cautious advice. I have been hunting, finding and eating wild mushrooms for almost 20 years and I am still hear to talk about it because I have always been extremely cautious. 

Let's get real dude, these are only mushrooms man, not gold or diamonds! Like RR vids say "Better luck next time!" I don't care how high or low your post count is, or how long you have been a member of an internet site, if you tell people to go ahead and eat mushrooms growing from moldy cakes without seeing and examining the cakes yourself first hand (not internet pics), then you should not be giving out that kind of advice... period!


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: isic]
    #18953636 - 10/09/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah just get rid of your contaminated cakes and you'll be good, once cakes are fully colonized they are pretty contam resistant.

Also I personally guarantee the mushrooms are fine that were growing from a cake with mold on it, as long as there's no mold on the mushroom itself, if you get sick from it I will pay your medical bills.

I've noticed a lot of people give bad advice around here, you can't just blindly listen to people all the time without questioning stuff, especially if they are a noob with a very low post count.

There are a lot of wise people here, some have the trusted cultivator tag to let you know that they know what they're doing. Take what they say into consideration a lot more than you would some random person with 100 posts.




I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or just low posters in general, but I don't think that telling someone to eat mushrooms from moldy cakes is good advice.

My advice is on the side of caution and I don't have to be a member of the shroomery for a long time with a high post count to give out cautious advice. I have been hunting, finding and eating wild mushrooms for almost 20 years and I am still hear to talk about it because I have always been extremely cautious. 

Let's get real dude, these are only mushrooms man, not gold or diamonds! Like RR vids say "Better luck next time!" I don't care how high or low your post count is, or how long you have been a member of an internet site, if you tell people to go ahead and eat mushrooms growing from moldy cakes without seeing and examining the cakes yourself first hand (not internet pics), then you should not be giving out that kind of advice... period!





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"well, once your cake or casing has mold in it, so do the mushies, so yes, you are eating mold. The mushies are made up of and grow on the mycelium network. That network carries nutes to the mushies, it also carries the contam to the mushies. So if there is mold on your casing, it is also in the mushi."

My friend, that is totally false and goes against everything we've learned about how mycelium works. Mushrooms are not like plants where the mycelium is the root.  It simply doesn't work that way. The mycelium metabolizes the food it 'eats'. When you go to paul stamets seminars he covers this myth in depth.  He has used mycelium to clean up diesel oil spills and other toxic waste dumps and the mushrooms are completely edible and free of all toxins from the soil as established by rigorous testing with gas chromatography.

For those of you who are afraid of moldy cakes, be sure to never eat cheese, because cheese can not be made without mold.  Very thick layers of mold are cut off the blocks of cheese to give them eye-appeal for the market.  The cheese is safe, believe me. You've all eaten cheese all your lives.

Now, that being said, I immediately throw away any contaminated substrate as soon as I see it.  The danger is in polluting my growing environment with the released spores that will contaminate future projects.  However, any mushrooms on the substrate are 100% safe to eat.  That is a fact.  We seriously need less disinformation and fear mongering.  If anyone can produce evidence from one of the established university mycological programs such as Penn State, or anything Stamets has written on the subject I will gladly eat my words.  I have done serious research into this.  Green molds are common in commercial mushroom operations, so if you eat store bought edible mushrooms, you are very often eating mushrooms from substrates with molds. There is not mold in the fruitbody.  They are 100% safe.
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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18953670 - 10/09/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I like how you just assume because the OP says it's mold, you ultimately assume it to be a fact! How do you know for sure that it IS in fact mold? What if the OP assumes it is mold, but happens to be something else? Being that you have a "High post count" he trusts your advice based on his mis-observation and makes a potential life threatening mistake? That is reckless!

I stand by my statement, IF YOU CANNOT EXAMINE THE CAKES YOURSELF IN PERSON YOU SHOULD NOT GIVE OUT THAT KIND OF ADVICE! Nor should you tell them to ignore those who are giving cautious advice.

OP, just think of it this way. If I am wrong and the mushrooms are fine then you lose out on a few shrooms and have to start over... big whoop. If homeboy from Uzbecka? is wrong, you could get sick or die. So I guess it's a gamble either way, but the consequences are very different. I say be smart and use your best judgement!


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: isic]
    #18953690 - 10/09/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The cakes has nothing to do with it.
Inspect the mushroom, as you would inspect any other food you eat.
If my apples look rotten and smells, I don't eat them.
If the apple looks fine, I don't care what the tree it grew on looks like.


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Re: When are brf cakes finished? [Re: isic]
    #18953711 - 10/09/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't tell him to trust me, I said to trust people like RR, and if you can't tell green mold from some life threatening infection than maybe natural selection should occur. But even if it was some life threatening infection they would still be okay to eat...


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