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We're all fake
#18953605 - 10/09/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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at huffington post,
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Oh, Huffington Post. Stick to writing articles on why the drug war is bad.
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Re: We're all fake [Re: NetDiver]
#18953645 - 10/09/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A websites credibility is inversely related to the length of the comments section.
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Re: We're all fake [Re: Konyap]
#18953650 - 10/09/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: A websites credibility is inversely related to the length of the comments section.
Great comment 
It still is undoubtedly interesting that scientists think they can solve the mystery of the Universe with an experiment.
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Maybe if we don't exist to mario and mario doesn't exist to us there is no outside that we are connected to.
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Well, the universe has rules and parameters likea computer program, but to call it a computer simulation is a gross oversimplification.
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Re: We're all fake [Re: letholdus] 1
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letholdus said: Well, the universe has rules and parameters likea computer program, but to call it a computer simulation is a gross oversimplification.
The argument is, probability-wise, we have a greater chance of being a simulation created by a future human species than being the real, first universe.
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Im surprised I never thought of this to that extent....
"A long-proposed thought experiment, put forward by both philosophers and popular culture, points out that any civilisation of sufficient size and intelligence would eventually create a simulation universe if such a thing were possible.
And since there would therefore be many more simulations (within simulations, within simulations) than real universes, it is therefore more likely than not that our world is artificial."
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letholdus said: Well, the universe has rules and parameters likea computer program, but to call it a computer simulation is a gross oversimplification.
The argument is, probability-wise, we have a greater chance of being a simulation created by a future human species than being the real, first universe.
yeah, or this could all be a dream in the mind of God. It amounts to the same thing ultimately.
Cause if you are your higher self which exists in higher dimensions, you could literally be that future human yourself...
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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix]
#18953742 - 10/09/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: old news
Yet no discussion of it
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there's not really much to discuss about this. we only know about the universe through the mathematics we use to describe and analyze it. it works. we use math because it seems to fit the laws of the universe.
does it mean we ARE the math? idk. that's a tough question.
simulations are representations of things that are real. i know i am real because i exist right here and right now. however, the way i existed yesterday is questionable, as is the way i existed a year ago, or even just a few seconds ago. all i have is memories. and what are memories? encoded impressions? stored information of a past event? or information about a present moment from an alternate perspective?
whatever "it" is, our models of representing it seems to work. i think the universe can be anything you imagine it to be. as modern scientists we describe and define the universe very differently than say a tribe of ancients who believed in myths and spirits. however, that way of describing the universe worked for them as well! in their reality.
the universe really can be anything. and we interpret our understanding using what we have to work with.
if the glove fits, it doesn't mean it's the only glove that CAN fit.
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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix]
#18953797 - 10/09/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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in western civilization we have a strong need for science to validate things before we take them as true. but that's just one model. for instance, the fact that i can validate reincarnation scientifically (in my own mind if not to others) helped me out a lot in spiritual exploration.
but physics obviously has a long way to go. and how is it going to jump over certain existential hurdles, such as the brain being a vessel of consciousness rather than the originator of it?
to me this shows that other 'gloves' have to be explored, and taken seriously. Myths and rituals can be seen as primitive or they can be seen to be just as precise as a mathmatical formula, in how the are able to deconstruct the universe.
I dont think everyone doing mythic rituals has it down to that level, but I'm sure some people/groups do...
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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix]
#18953820 - 10/09/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: there's not really much to discuss about this. we only know about the universe through the mathematics we use to describe and analyze it. it works. we use math because it seems to fit the laws of the universe.
does it mean we ARE the math? idk. that's a tough question.
simulations are representations of things that are real. i know i am real because i exist right here and right now. however, the way i existed yesterday is questionable, as is the way i existed a year ago, or even just a few seconds ago. all i have is memories. and what are memories? encoded impressions? stored information of a past event? or information about a present moment from an alternate perspective?
whatever "it" is, our models of representing it seems to work. i think the universe can be anything you imagine it to be. as modern scientists we describe and define the universe very differently than say a tribe of ancients who believed in myths and spirits. however, that way of describing the universe worked for them as well! in their reality.
the universe really can be anything. and we interpret our understanding using what we have to work with.
if the glove fits, it doesn't mean it's the only glove that CAN fit.
What's the difference between memory and the present? Other than stimuli sent by electrical signals to alert you of something that happened in the past
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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
#18953831 - 10/09/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Watch the movie "The 13th floor" It's about this same idea, awesome movie!
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Re: We're all fake [Re: fapjack]
#18953863 - 10/09/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you die that dateline dude comes out.....kinda like Christianity
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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
#18953875 - 10/09/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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we are all living within the impressions of our own memories. everything we perceive in the present moment, actually happened in the past. it take some time and a bunch of processes for the information from the external world to reach our sensory receptors and travel to the brain through input neurons, process, assess, and extrude as output information.
it takes about 1/1000th of a second for a neural signal to reach the brain. this means we are all living and experiencing life 1/1000th of a second prior to "the present moment"
so, you can block off all senses, cease all thought, and exist in a state of meditation or deep sleep (delta). would this put us in the real present moment as the purest state of consciousness? or is it yet still just an expression of finitude and transience amidst the flow of time?
if consciousness and awareness do not originate in the brain, then why is it that i lose awareness during the delta state?
i recall nothing from a good nights sleep or a good meditation. i recall no memory or event of awareness at all.
perhaps consciousness & awareness is co-dependent with event in order to experience. and without event, there can be no perception of anything at all.
this is my understanding
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Quote:
KingKnowledge said:
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Envix said: old news
Yet no discussion of it 
There were like 6 threads about this when it was actually new
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Re: We're all fake [Re: twighead]
#18953903 - 10/09/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: we are all living within the impressions of our own memories. everything we perceive in the present moment, actually happened in the past. it take some time and a bunch of processes for the information from the external world to reach our sensory receptors and travel to the brain through input neurons, process, assess, and extrude as output information.
it takes about 1/1000th of a second for a neural signal to reach the brain. this means we are all living and experiencing life 1/1000th of a second prior to "the present moment"
so, you can block off all senses, cease all thought, and exist in a state of meditation or deep sleep (delta). would this put us in the real present moment as the purest state of consciousness? or is it yet still just an expression of finitude and transience amidst the flow of time?
if consciousness and awareness do not originate in the brain, then why is it that i lose awareness during the delta state?
i recall nothing from a good nights sleep or a good meditation. i recall no memory or event of awareness at all.
perhaps consciousness & awareness is co-dependent with event in order to experience. and without event, there can be no perception of anything at all.
this is my understanding
What about Masturbation. Mind and body working together as one to experience itself all over your chest....I hope you're on my level here. Be it up or down
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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix]
#18953907 - 10/09/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: perhaps consciousness & awareness is co-dependent with event in order to experience. and without event, there can be no perception of anything at all.
this is my understanding
that's how i see it...i see the universe as literally existing in the present moment...it seems to me that giving that 1/1000th of a second to sensory perception is an abstraction.
but still we are limited by our senses so maybe in a sense we are not perceiving time as it actually is. things could actually be much less linear then we see them. that would explain a lot actually...including the 1/1000th of a second delay.
and yeah, i imagine deep sleep is a perfect example of being 100% 'in the moment' but normally we have no consciousness or memory of it. if someone can get to the point of being in that state, but maintaining awareness, then they would be in a completely aware state. personally i can maintain awareness for a while while falling asleep and while waking up but i dont think i've ever become fully aware while in deep sleep.
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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
#18953924 - 10/09/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive done it before with DMT
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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
#18953937 - 10/09/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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g00ru said: but still we are limited by our senses so maybe in a sense we are not perceiving time as it actually is. things could actually be much less linear then we see them.
i just wrote a couple posts about this in the ufo thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18952356#18952356
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18953574#18953574
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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix] 2
#18953941 - 10/09/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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UFO's make you gay
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Re: We're all fake [Re: Envix]
#18953944 - 10/09/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive done it before too...it would be cool to do while sleeping though
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Re: We're all fake [Re: g00ru]
#18953968 - 10/09/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or maybe why the universe seems to have these laws, is because we seem to instinctively define our surroundings.
So the universe appears to follow "rules", except there is no rules, just how we perceive and define it.
We change our rules based on how we perceive the universe. The universe doesnt change how we perceive it based on our rules.
So one would assume humans may develop programs modelled after our environment(including universe)? Whether knowingly or not.
either way, it is actually a silly article.
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More on topic, I don't understand how being made of data makes you fake
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Re: We're all fake [Re: twighead]
#18954485 - 10/09/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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twighead said: More on topic, I don't understand how being made of data makes you fake 
I guess it would be relative to the level of simulation you are in. I guess you could also argue that nothing is fake because everything is real? Do you get more fake because you are deeper in a simulation?
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Re: We're all fake [Re: twighead]
#18955088 - 10/09/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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twighead said: More on topic, I don't understand how being made of data makes you fake 
In a way, we've already proven we are made of data. DNA is the genetic code. Whether it's a simulation design or a design of nature really shouldn't matter though. Some questions just cannot be answered.(At least to me anyways)
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Re: We're all fake [Re: twighead]
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That is some twilight zone shit
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Re: We're all fake [Re: dfoolz]
#18959152 - 10/10/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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simulations aren't fake. they are just really high quality representations. a representation is still every bit as much of a presentation. it is present. real enough for me.
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morrowasted said: simulations aren't fake. they are just really high quality representations. a representation is still every bit as much of a presentation. it is present. real enough for me.
Agreed, but wouldnt you want to know if you were a simulation? Not saying you're fake, just not original...
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