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Would you eat a puppy?
    #18952860 - 10/09/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interested to know.
Explain yourselves


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18952862 - 10/09/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:awewtf:

Hell no. A poppy on the other hand :yesnod:


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: rulesq] * 1
    #18952863 - 10/09/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If it came down to survival and I had to.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Everlong]
    #18952870 - 10/09/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If it came down to survival and I had to.



Oh yeah, didn't even think of that.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: rulesq]
    #18952874 - 10/09/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That all depends on how well it is marinated.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #18952880 - 10/09/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just want to settle the whole no puppy but lamb is ok.
Or veal, chick slaughter etc.
This is for discussion and not me judging people. Let's see how it pans out


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18952893 - 10/09/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well then, no I wouldn't.
I wasn't raised with lambs as pets, they were dogs.  I have respect for dogs, they've always been there for me.  It would be a dishonor to their species to eat a puppy.  Hell, I think it's a dishonor to euthanize them or nuder them. 

I'm trying to stop eating meat in general, but quite honestly it's hard to give a shit about chickens or turkeys because they're so goddamn dumb.  I still need to meditate on that one.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Konichiwaffle] * 2
    #18952904 - 10/09/13 05:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pigs arent dumb.
Something has to earn your respect to have it's life valued?
Did you grow up with dolphins and whales? What about monkeys....are they ok to eat
Also pheasants hsve pretty intricate social behaviours but people eat them too


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18952911 - 10/09/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Idk dude, it's a cultural thing :shrug:

For people who live in the rainforest, yeah, monkeys are ok to eat.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: rulesq]
    #18952929 - 10/09/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They eat dogs all over Asia.  Yet people have a problem with this :shrug:
I know. ..I'm just trying to figure out what the difference is? In terms of logic. Why one is ok to est and not another.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18952937 - 10/09/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sure would! Hot dog. Hot sauce and fried onions.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: highc] * 1
    #18952939 - 10/09/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Sure would! Hot dog. Hot sauce and fried onions.



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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18952958 - 10/09/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't generally eat meat primarily for the points you're trying to emphasize.  That's what I'm trying to say, but it's been a hard battle to give it up completely.  Especially considering the fact that almost all our food product in the supermarket has meat product in it. 

To answer your other questions, does something have to earn my respect for its life to have value?  Yes, on a primal level.  The primal mode of thinking has to do with relating to another thing.  The more you relate to it, the more you respect it.  It takes meditation and a high degree of self-awareness to respect all levels of life.  As you may already know, there are not a lot of people that evolve into this.

We don't think of all the meat at the grocery store as cute adorable lambs and pigs, and veil.  We think of them as hotdogs, hamburgers, and chops. 

Monkeys, dolphins, and whales... I think if they were convenient to eat, our culture would, and therefore I would as well, more or less.  In Japan, they do eat dolphins and whales.  Monkeys are eaten in some Asian and African countries.  Seals are eaten in the north and east.  Dogs are eaten in the east (as we all well know).  These cultures obviously do not relate to these animals the way our cultures in the west have.  You don't really see a kid from Vietnam play fetch with his dog Rex.  Does that make it morally acceptable?  Who's to say?  The animals we eat, eat other animals, as well.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Konichiwaffle] * 1
    #18953013 - 10/09/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would eat a puppy if I was in a situation where food was scarce..

now as like "honey' Whata ya want for dinner tonight? puppy sound ok?":lol:
I don't think so... now if she said pussy....:wink::crazy2:


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #18953017 - 10/09/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nothing you just wrote answered my question. I understand what you're saying and was already pretty clear on this. Many people don't grow up with monkey's but wouldn't eat one.
Many people have pet rabbits and woukd eat one.
I also stated I was I interested in the logic behind it as otherwise it always gets passed off as primal instinct.
Why do we have the right to kill animals unnecessarily? 
I would add also add that there is a plethora of food available at your supermarket without meat product.  I am vegan and I get by.
I'm technically not vegan since I occasionally eat eggs from rescued hens. I don't exempt myself however.  I could do a lot more,  I know I don't make a difference but that is no reason to abstain. ...in fact it's a retarded thing to say. I pollute and fuel drug trades exploiting children etc etc.
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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953021 - 10/09/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What kind of dumb question is this?!


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: the mad machinest]
    #18953024 - 10/09/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would eat a puppy if I was in a situation where food was scarce..

now as like "honey' Whata ya want for dinner tonight? puppy sound ok?":lol:
I don't think so... now if she said pussy....:wink::crazy2:



Meat for survival removes the whole idea of unnecessary killng and suffering.  I'd be all over the puppies :creepylurker:


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18953028 - 10/09/13 06:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What kind of dumb question is this?!



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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953039 - 10/09/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What kind of dumb question is this?!



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Yeah, no. Still a dumb question.

But to answer it, I'd kill you before I'd kill a dog.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953041 - 10/09/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What kind of dumb question is this?!




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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18953052 - 10/09/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I bet dogs don't even taste that good, so I wouldn't go out of my way or anything.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Apples.Obituaries]
    #18953071 - 10/09/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What kind of dumb question is this?!



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Yeah, no. Still a dumb question.

But to answer it, I'd kill you before I'd kill a dog.



Got anything too add?....other than a fucking boring cliché


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953083 - 10/09/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I added all I needed to add, you bully. No wonder I never visited the pub, I'm going back to ODD to stay away from bitches like you.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Apples.Obituaries]
    #18953094 - 10/09/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, no. Still a dumb question.

But to answer it, I'd kill you before I'd kill a dog.




I'm the total opposite. Dogs are great and all, but I tend to value their lives less than those of humans. Crazy right?

The question wasn't about killing a puppy though, just eating it. I don't think I would do it unless there really was no other option.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: psi]
    #18953132 - 10/09/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I added all I needed to add, you bully. No wonder I never visited the pub, I'm going back to ODD to stay away from bitches like you.



Bye then. :stonedjerk:
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Apples.Obituaries said:
Yeah, no. Still a dumb question.

But to answer it, I'd kill you before I'd kill a dog.




I'm the total opposite. Dogs are great and all, but I tend to value their lives less than those of humans. Crazy right?

The question wasn't about killing a puppy though, just eating it. I don't think I would do it unless there really was no other option.



The puppy thing was really just to raise the topic.
Many people would rather. However I find this based on instinctual behaviour and not logic.
Im here to see if there is logical justification to eat an animal for nothing other than selfish pleasure.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953141 - 10/09/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not a fucking puppy. :awedisgust:


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Into The Woods] * 1
    #18953173 - 10/09/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Recently in UK it was discovered that some brands of food and supermarkets were selling horse instead of beef. This caused uproar in many who said that eating horse was wrong.
The true issue would have been a supermarket not knowing what it was selling.  But this seemed to be more important to people. ..


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born] * 2
    #18953177 - 10/09/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not right now. I'm pretty full from all the kittens I just ate.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953184 - 10/09/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Recently in UK it was discovered that some brands of food and supermarkets were selling horse instead of beef. This caused uproar in many who said that eating horse was wrong.
The true issue would have been a supermarket not knowing what it was selling.  But this seemed to be more important to people. ..





Recently, the international grocery store chain Aldi, confirmed a horsemeat contamination in some of its processed meat products.  Aldi, which has stores throughout the US, received information that some of its products, specifically the frozen beef lasagna and the spaghetti bolognese, contained horsemeat.  Aldi proceeded to test the products and the result was 30-100% traces of horsemeat.


http://www.techyville.com/2013/09/news/tests-confirmed-aldi-beef-contained-horse-meat/


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18953188 - 10/09/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I club seals to death with panda cubs :manofapproval:


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: the mad machinest]
    #18953191 - 10/09/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Fire is Born said:
Recently in UK it was discovered that some brands of food and supermarkets were selling horse instead of beef. This caused uproar in many who said that eating horse was wrong.
The true issue would have been a supermarket not knowing what it was selling.  But this seemed to be more important to people. ..





Recently, the international grocery store chain Aldi, confirmed a horsemeat contamination in some of its processed meat products.  Aldi, which has stores throughout the US, received information that some of its products, specifically the frozen beef lasagna and the spaghetti bolognese, contained horsemeat.  Aldi proceeded to test the products and the result was 30-100% traces of horsemeat.


http://www.techyville.com/2013/09/news/tests-confirmed-aldi-beef-contained-horse-meat/



Also happened with tesco and layes beef lasagne.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953199 - 10/09/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Canada
It is legal to sell and serve dog meat, providing that it must be killed and gutted in front of federal inspectors. If a dog is killed out of the view of federal inspectors, the killing might involve cruelty, which would be a violation of the Criminal Code, and those convicted may be sentenced to up to 5 years in prison.

just if any of you Canadians were curious:wink:


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: the mad machinest]
    #18953214 - 10/09/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Killing for pointless consumption without cruelty :curbyourenthusiasm:
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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: the mad machinest]
    #18953215 - 10/09/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:obama: loves to eat puppies


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: the mad machinest]
    #18953216 - 10/09/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Apparently there's people who eat Lion.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #18953222 - 10/09/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Apparently there's people who eat Lion.



Some african tribes have a boy kill a lion as initiation into man hood.
Also asshole big game hunters blow them away for $50,000 or something like that. Doubt they even  eat them


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953245 - 10/09/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My friend ate dog when she was in Vietnam to try it, she said it sucked.  I would eat an entire puppy for 5 grand or if I was starving.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: fapjack]
    #18953266 - 10/09/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So if you were starving with nothing else to eat, you would hold out for an additional $5k incentive? You drive a hard bargain. :lol:


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: psi]
    #18953272 - 10/09/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He used the word "or"


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: fapjack]
    #18953273 - 10/09/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My friend ate dog when she was in Vietnam to try it, she said it sucked.  I would eat an entire puppy for 5 grand or if I was starving.



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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953278 - 10/09/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol I missed that somehow.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: psi]
    #18953292 - 10/09/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If I were in a foreign country and it was served to me by a host or whatever, I would try it. I wouldn't actively seek it out though, and I'm sure the thought of it would gross me out even if it did taste good.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18953391 - 10/09/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes

Almost every animal is edible.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Patlal]
    #18953527 - 10/09/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I love dogs too much to consume any piece of it.


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born] * 1
    #18953531 - 10/09/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I just want to settle the whole no puppy but lamb is ok.
Or veal, chick slaughter etc.
This is for discussion and not me judging people. Let's see how it pans out



Yeah, it really is a pointless double standard. I don't eat any meat, but people who say it's unusually cruel or somehow "more wrong" to eat a puppy are just being hypocrites. :shrug:


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Patlal]
    #18953686 - 10/09/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Almost every animal is edible.



That was never in dispute.  Would you eat a person if you had too?


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18953741 - 10/09/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If the puppy had already died and I was starving. I mean really starving. I would totally cook and eat a puppy.


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    #18953765 - 10/09/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i'd find another way man...nobody should have to eat a puppy...


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    #18953771 - 10/09/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Shall I rephrase from another angle haha.
Would you be able to kill a lamb and it eat? Not for survival and not with a gun

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    #18953773 - 10/09/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I'd have to be pretty desperate to eat dog of any age. Cannibalism I would do anything to avoid in similar dire straits though, I'd rather wander off to my likely death than live with the memory of eating a human.


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    #18953776 - 10/09/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

never done anything like that but yes i think i'd have the capacity if my life or other's lives depended on it


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    #18953799 - 10/09/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I'd have to be pretty desperate to eat dog of any age. Cannibalism I would do anything to avoid in similar dire straits though, I'd rather wander off to my likely death than live with the memory of eating a human.



See..we're different.  I don't have many qualms about cannibalism itself.  I have a big issue with murder though.
Now why is it that you eat meat and I don't?


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    #18953821 - 10/09/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't recall telling you that I did, but you guessed correctly. I'm also opposed to murder.


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    #18953839 - 10/09/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What if it was someone trying to steal all of your supplies away, and without them you would have to resort to cannibalism?  Would you rather kill that person or eat a dead person?  Also, if you killed him would you have less of an issue eating him vs some random corpse.


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    #18953844 - 10/09/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't recall telling you that I did, but you guessed correctly. I'm also opposed to murder.



I deduced it like a prejudice deuce douche.
Would you say your meat eating is hypocrisy then?
As consolation of the possible answer, let me say that I too am a massive hypocrite.  As is everyone here


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    #18953866 - 10/09/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't recall telling you that I did, but you guessed correctly. I'm also opposed to murder.



I deduced it like a prejudice deuce douche.
Would you say your meat eating is hypocrisy then?
As consolation of the possible answer, let me say that I too am a massive hypocrite.  As is everyone here




No, I would not, although I'm sure I am a hypocrite in many ways. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you are employing a nonstandard definition of the term "murder."


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: psi]
    #18953883 - 10/09/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sure. Why is killing a human wrong...but not a gorilla
Or is it ok o kill something  because it's dumb


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    #18953898 - 10/09/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't say that killing a gorilla wasn't wrong. It isn't murder as most would define the term though.


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    #18953933 - 10/09/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No sure.  But arguing that term would imply a possible rejection of the value I had given it. Since I assumed this wasn't purely for grammatical purposes, I asked you this to see why you thought different species have different value.
I wouldn't feel that bad if I stepped on an ant...I would feel bad if I stepped on a mouse :shrug:
But does that one animal have any logical value over the other?


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Re: Would you eat a puppy? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18954074 - 10/09/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Would you eat a puppy?



It depends... Does he come with bbq sauce?


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    #18954091 - 10/09/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Would you eat a puppy?



It depends... Does he come with bbq sauce?



Sticky or smoked...


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    #18954099 - 10/09/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No sure.  But arguing that term would imply a possible rejection of the value I had given it. Since I assumed this wasn't purely for grammatical purposes, I asked you this to see why you thought different species have different value.
I wouldn't feel that bad if I stepped on an ant...I would feel bad if I stepped on a mouse :shrug:
But does that one animal have any logical value over the other?




At some point the distinction is going to be pretty arbitrary for sure. All humans eat living things of one kind or another though. Presumably you believe it's ok to eat plants. That suggests a value judgement that it's justifiable for some living things to die to continue your life, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you place no value on the lives of plants at all though obviously. Many would agree that cutting down a thousand year old tree to make dining room tables or something is morally wrong, but that position does not necessarily make someone a hypocrite for also eating nuts that could have grown into a big majestic tree.

As a human I value human life over the lives of other animals. A tiger would have no moral qualms about killing and eating me, and arguably places a higher value on its own kind than it does on mine (although it's obviously not formulating its thoughts the same way I do.) From my perspective a human's life is worth saving over a tiger's, and from its perspective the reverse is true.


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    #18954101 - 10/09/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)


why not?:shrug:


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Would you eat a puppy?



It depends... Does he come with bbq sauce?



Sticky or smoked...



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    #18954135 - 10/09/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No sure.  But arguing that term would imply a possible rejection of the value I had given it. Since I assumed this wasn't purely for grammatical purposes, I asked you this to see why you thought different species have different value.
I wouldn't feel that bad if I stepped on an ant...I would feel bad if I stepped on a mouse :shrug:
But does that one animal have any logical value over the other?




At some point the distinction is going to be pretty arbitrary for sure. All humans eat living things of one kind or another though. Presumably you believe it's ok to eat plants. That suggests a value judgement that it's justifiable for some living things to die to continue your life, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you place no value on the lives of plants at all though obviously. Many would agree that cutting down a thousand year old tree to make dining room tables or something is morally wrong, but that position does not necessarily make someone a hypocrite for also eating nuts that could have grown into a big majestic tree.

As a human I value human life over the lives of other animals. A tiger would have no moral qualms about killing and eating me, and arguably places a higher value on its own kind than it does on mine (although it's obviously not formulating its thoughts the same way I do.) From my perspective a human's life is worth saving over a tiger's, and from its perspective the reverse is true.



The first part I agree on. Although as far as I know plants don't have central nervous systems nor are they aware. Though some sea creatures do not have one either nor are they apparently self aware...so can I eat them :shrug:. I value some animals higher than others
But the question at hand is if it's not based on cuteness or intelligence what is the logic behind it or is there none.
The second part was just the instinct argument...which we can agree are not always I  the best interest of others


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    #18954151 - 10/09/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Would you eat a puppy?



It depends... Does he come with bbq sauce?



Sticky or smoked...



Am I allowed smoked?



On another note. I had the chance to look after a dog the other day that was found by police. The owner had died and the dog had been eating him over a week.
This was the evening the dog was found. So if I did take it and walked him he would of shit a digested human of which I would have to pick up and bin...is that weird


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    #18954197 - 10/09/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Am I allowed smoked?



On another note. I had the chance to look after a dog the other day that was found by police. The owner had died and the dog had been eating him over a week.
This was the evening the dog was found. So if I did take it and walked him he would of shit a digested human of which I would have to pick up and bin...is that weird



It doesn't seem weird to me, unless you put a lot of thought into it.

(just to keep on topic) You know what I think would have been weird? If you were to eat the dog because then in a way you would of ate a human :strokebeard:


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    #18954205 - 10/09/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Those are some fucked up details that will probably be omitted from people when they try putting him up for adobtion.  No way would I ever want to adopt a dog that ate his owner.


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No sure.  But arguing that term would imply a possible rejection of the value I had given it. Since I assumed this wasn't purely for grammatical purposes, I asked you this to see why you thought different species have different value.
I wouldn't feel that bad if I stepped on an ant...I would feel bad if I stepped on a mouse :shrug:
But does that one animal have any logical value over the other?




At some point the distinction is going to be pretty arbitrary for sure. All humans eat living things of one kind or another though. Presumably you believe it's ok to eat plants. That suggests a value judgement that it's justifiable for some living things to die to continue your life, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you place no value on the lives of plants at all though obviously. Many would agree that cutting down a thousand year old tree to make dining room tables or something is morally wrong, but that position does not necessarily make someone a hypocrite for also eating nuts that could have grown into a big majestic tree.

As a human I value human life over the lives of other animals. A tiger would have no moral qualms about killing and eating me, and arguably places a higher value on its own kind than it does on mine (although it's obviously not formulating its thoughts the same way I do.) From my perspective a human's life is worth saving over a tiger's, and from its perspective the reverse is true.



The first part I agree on. Although as far as I know plants don't have central nervous systems nor are they aware. Though some sea creatures do not have one either nor are they apparently self aware...so can I eat them :shrug:. I value some animals higher than others
But the question at hand is if it's not based on cuteness or intelligence what is the logic behind it or is there none.
The second part was just the instinct argument...which we can agree are not always I  the best interest of others




My point with the second paragraph was that valuing human life over other animal life does not necessarily imply a belief that humans are superior in absolute terms. As you say there is an instinctual element to it, but our instinct for co-operation with our own kind has helped our survival. Certainly it's something that's open to be questioned though.

Personally, the list of animals I wouldn't eat is definitely somewhat illogical and taboo-based. I don't really like the idea of eating horse meat myself, but there is no logical reason to say that beef is OK to eat and horse isn't. Carnivorous mammals and non-human primates I wouldn't eat because I see their intelligence as being too similar to our own. They're also in shorter supply in general, so killing them without a good reason is also wasteful (like chopping down the very old tree.) There are other reasons as well, such as bioaccumulation of toxins in predators (which also applies to predatory fish) or transfer of disease from animals we are too closely related to.


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    #18954332 - 10/09/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would totally eat a puppy. Even if it was only to piss off my friends who have dogs.

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