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Telepathy Expirement
    #18952819 - 10/09/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A friend and I recently experimented with telepathy and DMT.. We would attempt to establish a mental link of sorts by imagining a line from my friends head to mine and then ask the other for permission to send a message across. When permission was given we would visualize the message being sent down the line into the brain.

We did this a bit before a DMT session, during low dose (20mg or so) trips, and after; while the after-glow was still fresh. ett

We would send simple messages.. colors, shapes, numbers, and animals.

Had relatively zero success with the 'before' session. During the low dose DMT session was also not much success as we were both too distracted to really focus on the whole thing. Just smoked and giggled and I ended up trying to focus more on the experience as the visuals I was seeing far outweighed any thing else going on at that moment (everything took on a multiple dimensional look, this is somewhat hard to describe but it looked like three-dimensional cubing of already three-dimensional objects and these cubes kept stacking up).

During the afterglow and the rest of the day, however, I had quite surprising success in guessing what the message was. Right before the moment of my friend sending the message I would clear my mind of all thought and the first thing that popped into my head I would assume was the message, and ask for confirmation (out loud not in telepathy mode lol) to which, and we counted; 8 times out of 10 I was correct.

My friend still had very little success in guessing what my message was. We weren't sure if it was because of my 'sending' skills, or his reading skills.

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May actually go back to experimenting with this soon..Everyone thinks telepathy is bullshit, I admit I did before we tried the experiment..maybe we just have to practice. If everyone never tries how will anyone ever know?

Have any of you here undertaken similar experiments?


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: hTx] * 1
    #18952853 - 10/09/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have had a legit ESP experience on 1-3mg of 25inbome. When I was saying thoughts my cousin was thinking and reading his every thought as if he said it out loud. To this day we will both attest to it and he's a physicist and works on billion dollar microscopes


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #18952879 - 10/09/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What were some examples of messages on dmt you were sending?


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: hTx]
    #18952888 - 10/09/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes telepathy is real. its really no biggie. a friend and i tried it once out of the blue during a trip a few years ago. almost 100% accuracy. it is really more normal than supernatural, we have these inherent gifts already. we are connected, and the more connected we are the easier it becomes to use these inherent abilities.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: ilus] * 1
    #18952898 - 10/09/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When running experiments give yourself more freedom as to what you send. Sending a single digit number or colour is way harder than sending an image of one of dali's paintings or something like that.
Had some successful experiments sending images across the continent between several parties. We weren't on any tryptamines  - some of us toked beforehand. We were all listening to the same music  to help synch up.
Telepathy on shrooms has been so evident running an experiment seems silly when one can read another's thoughts clear as day during the experience. The effect also seems to bleed over to times when one is not on shrooms after regular dosing.
One of the tricks is being receptive to thought and accepting the raw emotion of feeling... if you cannot observe your own emotion then catching another's raw output is likely going to fail.
In other words mindfulness practice and a beginner's mind help to prevail with practice.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: Deckard_Cain]
    #18952975 - 10/09/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When I had a group trip locked in a house with 8 best buddies all on 4-5 grams we had telepathic communications.  I would say try higher doses of Dmt


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: ilus]
    #18953016 - 10/09/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What were some examples of messages on dmt you were sending?



While on dmt I couldn't concentrate to send any messages, we kind of just tripped and my friend when I asked permission to send him a telepathic message got a funny look on his face and just sat there tripping..or time froze perhaps not really sure as I was tripping too...after like 2 minutes we both just kind of were like "oh shit!" and started the experiments again.

But some examples of messages sent include blue, giraffe, octagon, seven..etc.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: zZZz]
    #18953075 - 10/09/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yes telepathy is real. its really no biggie. a friend and i tried it once out of the blue during a trip a few years ago. almost 100% accuracy. it is really more normal than supernatural, we have these inherent gifts already. we are connected, and the more connected we are the easier it becomes to use these inherent abilities.



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Telepathy is a pseudoscience. What factual evidence do you have to support that telepathy is possible?

I believe more studies have been done which consequently demystified it.

I can provide more info later, but I have to go to class.

But..

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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: XUL]
    #18953086 - 10/09/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People on drugs experiencing telepathy :ilold:

I hope this thread gets moved to the spirituality forum.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: hTx]
    #18953159 - 10/09/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18953163 - 10/09/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im thinking of a number thats in between one and three, what is it?


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18953250 - 10/09/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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im thinking of a number thats in between one and three, what is it?




It doesn't work like that brah, telepathy only works when you transmit vague ideas and thoughts that can later be reinterpreted by the receiver as the thoughts you initially wanted to send.

In fairness though, there are some really interesting, actual (e.g., peer-reviewed) data on telepathy.  Whether its reproducible or not though, is unknown.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: Deckard_Cain]
    #18953406 - 10/09/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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When running experiments give yourself more freedom as to what you send. Sending a single digit number or colour is way harder than sending an image of one of dali's paintings or something like that.
Had some successful experiments sending images across the continent between several parties. We weren't on any tryptamines  - some of us toked beforehand. We were all listening to the same music  to help synch up.
Telepathy on shrooms has been so evident running an experiment seems silly when one can read another's thoughts clear as day during the experience. The effect also seems to bleed over to times when one is not on shrooms after regular dosing.
One of the tricks is being receptive to thought and accepting the raw emotion of feeling... if you cannot observe your own emotion then catching another's raw output is likely going to fail.
In other words mindfulness practice and a beginner's mind help to prevail with practice.



I'll definitely give more freedom in future practice/experiments, thanks for the advice.

Yeah the telepathy on shrooms and other longer-acting psychedelics is almost like instant knowing of anothers thoughts..tis probably due to the mind being able to pick up on more body language than normal. 

Once spoke in some strange language as it seemed the only way to express what I was feeling to a friend of mine and he responded in the same language. Shit was trippy


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: hTx]
    #18953543 - 10/09/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah the telepathy on shrooms and other longer-acting psychedelics is almost like instant knowing of anothers thoughts..tis probably due to the mind being able to pick up on more body language than normal.




Yep you would need to block the line of sight to rule that out. Otherwise it's just nonverbal communication. It's cool that people can use sign language to communicate complex ideas without making a sound or using writing implements, but nobody calls it telepathy.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: zZZz]
    #18953847 - 10/09/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yes telepathy is real. its really no biggie. a friend and i tried it once out of the blue during a trip a few years ago. almost 100% accuracy. it is really more normal than supernatural, we have these inherent gifts already. we are connected, and the more connected we are the easier it becomes to use these inherent abilities.




Why don't you bring this "telepathy is real, its really no biggie."  to the scientific community?  I sure evidence of this claim will be worth $ millions.

That fact is there is no evidence, this is pure speculation and nothing more.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: qman]
    #18953861 - 10/09/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

cause science would have a big problem with such a claim. behavioral psychology is getting closer though. they just need to find the right words to say that 'yeah, all our minds are connected to the same source'


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: qman]
    #18953879 - 10/09/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That fact is there is no evidence, this is pure speculation and nothing more.




Have you ever actually searched the professional, scientific literature for clinical trials examining telepathy?


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    #18953919 - 10/09/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That fact is there is no evidence, this is pure speculation and nothing more.




Have you ever actually searched the professional, scientific literature for clinical trials examining telepathy?




Nope, show me what you got, I'm open minded on the subject. I just have a issue with people doing their own "experiments" and claiming proof.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: g00ru]
    #18953945 - 10/09/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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cause science would have a big problem with such a claim. behavioral psychology is getting closer though. they just need to find the right words to say that 'yeah, all our minds are connected to the same source'




I'm not sure "science would have a big problem with such a claim."

There are big egos in the scientific world, they love to prove others wrong, having conclusive evidence does the job.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: qman]
    #18953956 - 10/09/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah im sure many scientists believe in it already. when i say science i mean all of the scientific world accepting it like we do quantum mechanics or black holes. no longer being a hypothesis and instead being an accepted theory.


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    #18953969 - 10/09/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In full disclosure, I'm undecided on the topic and mostly skeptical.  However, if you search pubmed for "telepathy" and limit results to "clinical trials" it seems as though telepathy is well-documented. 

It seems as though one of the prominent authors is Sheldrake., who has published more than one article on the subject.

Other, perhaps less objective assessments have been performed as well, such as this study.

Admittedly, I haven't read many of these abstracts, but the interesting thing is that if you DO read the papers, the introductions are filled with oodles of citations, the same way any "traditional" research paper is. 

Taken as a whole, its really odd that there are (apparently) LOTS of data supporting "psi" phenomenon, but yet it still regarded as pseudoscience.  Kinda neat actually.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: hTx]
    #18953982 - 10/09/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My friend still had very little success in guessing what my message was. We weren't sure if it was because of my 'sending' skills, or his reading skills.



I'll give you a hint -- it's because telepathy is bullshit. Also, I'm guessing that your "surprising amount of success" was confirmation bias and nothing more.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: NetDiver]
    #18954001 - 10/09/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My friend still had very little success in guessing what my message was. We weren't sure if it was because of my 'sending' skills, or his reading skills.



I'll give you a hint -- it's because telepathy is bullshit.




that's not much of a hint lol. i mean if your idea of telepathy is 'guess what color im thinking of' yeah that might not always fly. but if you think we don't have mental levels of communication im sorry but that is what is bullshit.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: g00ru]
    #18954020 - 10/09/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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cause science would have a big problem with such a claim. behavioral psychology is getting closer though. they just need to find the right words to say that 'yeah, all our minds are connected to the same source'




No it wouldn't, in fact the Randi foundation offers a $1,000,000 prize for anyone who can demonstrate evidence of paranormal or supernatural abilities, of which telepathy is included. The parameters of the tests are fairly lenient, just enough to create a controlled experiment.

If it was so easy and such a given ability surely somebody in the last 17 years that the JREF has been around would have come forward and taken the million dollars, right?

I have a trick I do with my friends where I guess random cards from the top of a deck of shuffled and cut cards. I get three guesses on each card and my success rate is unbelievable, people always freak out when I do it. What I'm conscious of and what they're not is that I read the micro expressions on their faces and listen carefully to their verbal responses, and I can tell from that if I should guess lower, higher, if I got the suit right, or if I got the number but not the suit. "Telepathy" is just subconscious nonverbal communication, if it was more than that I'd have $1,000,000 and international fame for winning the JREF challenge.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: g00ru]
    #18954023 - 10/09/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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that's not much of a hint lol. i mean if your idea of telepathy is 'guess what color im thinking of' yeah that might not always fly.




If telepathy is real, it should.  If you said, "I've chosen either green, red, blue, or orange, guess which color without looking", your chances of success should be 1 in 4 (25%).

If, over repeated trials, you guessed correctly at a rate significantly higher than 25%, that would be statistically greater than chance,


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: g00ru]
    #18954029 - 10/09/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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that's not much of a hint lol. i mean if your idea of telepathy is 'guess what color im thinking of' yeah that might not always fly. but if you think we don't have mental levels of communication im sorry but that is what is bullshit.



What do you mean by "mental"? If you mean non-verbal, like reading facial expressions and stuff, that's not really mental. It results from pattern-recognition processes in our brains, which are physical.


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    #18954030 - 10/09/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"Telepathy" is just subconscious nonverbal communication




right...but subconscious is different for everybody. some people are more aware of theirs than others. if you are experiencing these subconscious communications with your conscious mind, that is basically 'telepathy.' if you are a powerful magi or wizard, you can take that to the next level :cool:


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: NetDiver]
    #18954034 - 10/09/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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that's not much of a hint lol. i mean if your idea of telepathy is 'guess what color im thinking of' yeah that might not always fly. but if you think we don't have mental levels of communication im sorry but that is what is bullshit.



What do you mean by "mental"? If you mean non-verbal, like reading facial expressions and stuff, that's not really mental. It results from pattern-recognition processes in our brains.




i mean perceived by the mind rather than the physical senses


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: g00ru]
    #18954040 - 10/09/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i mean perceived by the mind rather than the physical senses



:confused: Where is the line between the mind and the physical senses? I can find none.


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    #18954055 - 10/09/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

dreams for example, are basically non-physical although they are influenced by memories of the physical world. same for the thinking rational mind, and then you have the intuitive mind that relies on feelings but is itself more of an energy.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: NetDiver]
    #18954059 - 10/09/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

where does thought come from?  where does it go?  i don't know :wink:


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    #18954071 - 10/09/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

think there are more to dreams than just that.  what a mystery life is in itself.  how could one ever try to pinpoint something so vast and unexplainable.

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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: g00ru]
    #18954076 - 10/09/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dreams for example, are basically non-physical although they are influenced by memories of the physical world. same for the thinking rational mind, and then you have the intuitive mind that relies on feelings but is itself more of an energy.



How are dreams non-physical? We can hook someone's brain up to machines and see what they are dreaming. It's all in the brain, man.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/04/scientists-figure-out-what-you-see-while-youre-dreaming/


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    #18954082 - 10/09/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"Telepathy" is just subconscious nonverbal communication




right...but subconscious is different for everybody. some people are more aware of theirs than others. if you are experiencing these subconscious communications with your conscious mind, that is basically 'telepathy.' if you are a powerful magi or wizard, you can take that to the next level :cool:




No I'm using the term subconscious literally. As in, you are taking in the information without being consciously aware that you are. When a person becomes conscious of micro expressions and body language they have not become a wizard.

Way to ignore the rest of my post btw, since it makes your position look as ignorant as it is. If telepathy is as easy as eating some shrooms, why not go win a million dollars and turn the world of science upside down? Oh right, because despite years of attempts nobody has conclusively showed any ability of empirical telepathy, not on drugs, not in meditation, not in prayer. (Because it's not real)


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    #18954097 - 10/09/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dreams for example, are basically non-physical although they are influenced by memories of the physical world. same for the thinking rational mind, and then you have the intuitive mind that relies on feelings but is itself more of an energy.



How are dreams non-physical? We can hook someone's brain up to machines and see what they are dreaming. It's all in the brain, man.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/04/scientists-figure-out-what-you-see-while-youre-dreaming/




just because you can find a correlating pattern in the brain doesn't mean the physical brain is the source. you can easily look towards language as an equally valid source for how we perceive the universe, and language is a human invention.


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    #18954102 - 10/09/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"Telepathy" is just subconscious nonverbal communication




right...but subconscious is different for everybody. some people are more aware of theirs than others. if you are experiencing these subconscious communications with your conscious mind, that is basically 'telepathy.' if you are a powerful magi or wizard, you can take that to the next level :cool:




No I'm using the term subconscious literally. As in, you are taking in the information without being consciously aware that you are. When a person becomes conscious of micro expressions and body language they have not become a wizard.

Way to ignore the rest of my post btw, since it makes your position look as ignorant as it is. If telepathy is as easy as eating some shrooms, why not go win a million dollars and turn the world of science upside down? Oh right, because despite years of attempts nobody has conclusively showed any ability of empirical telepathy, not on drugs, not in meditation, not in prayer. (Because it's not real)


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    #18954106 - 10/09/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

But, if you were to make adjustments to the brain, the dream would be different. Some people who have had brain injuries do not dream at all. Now, why would that be, if dreams are non-physical?


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    #18954115 - 10/09/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Way to ignore the rest of my post btw, since it makes your position look as ignorant as it is. If telepathy is as easy as eating some shrooms, why not go win a million dollars and turn the world of science upside down? Oh right, because despite years of attempts nobody has conclusively showed any ability of empirical telepathy, not on drugs, not in meditation, not in prayer. (Because it's not real)




that contest is totally silly man, that's like saying 'prove spiritual experiences are real, win million dollars.' they might as well give the money to some yogi sitting in an ashram in India if they were truly serious about it.


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    #18954132 - 10/09/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But, if you were to make adjustments to the brain, the dream would be different. Some people who have had brain injuries do not dream at all. Now, why would that be, if dreams are non-physical?




if you break a computer, the electricity can't run through it any more. if you alter the computer it alters the flow of electricity.

similarly the body is a very important part of the process, and obviously has its effect, i'm not arguing with that. that experiment makes total sense to me, but i dont feel the need to become strictly materialist because of it :shrug:


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    #18954166 - 10/09/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Way to ignore the rest of my post btw, since it makes your position look as ignorant as it is. If telepathy is as easy as eating some shrooms, why not go win a million dollars and turn the world of science upside down? Oh right, because despite years of attempts nobody has conclusively showed any ability of empirical telepathy, not on drugs, not in meditation, not in prayer. (Because it's not real)




that contest is totally silly man, that's like saying 'prove spiritual experiences are real, win million dollars.' they might as well give the money to some yogi sitting in an ashram in India if they were truly serious about it.




That's what you don't get, a yogi sitting in an ashram possesses no special powers. He's not telepathic, he's not really 150 years old, and he cannot really levitate. He can no doubt work his mind into strange places and experiences, but it's just a brain hack that has nothing to do with the objective world.

The contest is legitimate and has attracted purveyors of psuedoscience from around the world for two decades. More importantly it's an open invitation to mystics, psychics, telepaths, etc to establish their craft in full view of science for a substantial reward. If somebody won this it would not only make them rich it would force the scientific community to peer review the experiment.

Your argument that telepathy is not accepted for fear of upsetting the scientific status quo holds no water, many people try to show empirical evidence for telepathy every single year, and they repeatedly fail.


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Re: Telepathy Expirement [Re: NetDiver]
    #18954169 - 10/09/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

honestly message boards are kind of telepathic...we're just writing to each other! i know that won't mean much if you're skeptical but that's how it feels to me


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    #18954190 - 10/09/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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honestly message boards are kind of telepathic...we're just writing to each other! i know that won't mean much if you're skeptical but that's how it feels to me




:rofl:

Right... typing things out on a forum is soooo telepathic... go ahead and start explaining how it is.


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    #18954201 - 10/09/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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honestly message boards are kind of telepathic...we're just writing to each other! i know that won't mean much if you're skeptical but that's how it feels to me




So writing is telepathy and kinesics is wizardry?

I guess once you start calling the universe god it's just a slippery slope from there...


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    #18954311 - 10/09/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

...quantum entanglement anyone?


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    #18954331 - 10/09/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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...quantum entanglement anyone?



My fiancee has a degree in physics and works as a professional physicist, and she has assured me that any reference to quantum entanglement as supporting telepathy or supernatural events is completely ridiculous and not based in actual quantum physics. For what that's worth. I trust her opinion more than some new age pseudoscientists. :shrug:


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    #18954609 - 10/09/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

whatever man quantum entanglement explains a lot imo...guess i disagree with your fiancee :shrug:.

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I guess once you start calling the universe god it's just a slippery slope from there...




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    #18954624 - 10/09/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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any reference to quantum entanglement as supporting telepathy or supernatural events is completely ridiculous and not based in actual quantum physics.




if particles can effect each other regardless of distance and time does that not suggest that many phenomenon are made possible? the atoms in your brain could be affecting and affected by atoms from anywhere, in theory.


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    #18954706 - 10/09/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well you're preaching to the choir now and I agree. Invoking god has made many people alright with ideas they otherwise would have shunned, like torture, sadism, genocide, terrorism and infanticide, as well as astrology, channeling, reincarnation and telepathy.

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    #18954721 - 10/09/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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...quantum entanglement anyone?



My fiancee has a degree in physics and works as a professional physicist, and she has assured me that any reference to quantum entanglement as supporting telepathy or supernatural events is completely ridiculous and not based in actual quantum physics. For what that's worth. I trust her opinion more than some new age pseudoscientists. :shrug:



:smbfacepalm: Spooky action at a distance breaks the sound barrier, aka instant information transmission. I I honestly feel this aspect of quantum reality has less to do with telepathy (but I bet it plays a role) and more to do with synchronicity.


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    #18954728 - 10/09/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

TO all skeptics..do your own expirements. Lets prove or disprove telepathy TOGETHER on the shroomery!


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    #18954816 - 10/09/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well you're preaching to the choir now and I agree. Invoking god has made many people alright with ideas they otherwise would have shunned, like torture, sadism, genocide, terrorism and infanticide, as well as astrology, channeling, reincarnation and telepathy.





well im alright with the latter group but not the former so, clearly there is great variety even amongst quote unquote spiritual people.

just keep an open mind about the idea, i promise you believing in god doesn't make one st00pid :grin: don't know what else i can say about it tho haha


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    #18954844 - 10/09/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The only time I've had a profound telepathic experience was with my best friend while we were on mushrooms.

We were having a conversation about religion in our heads. Then, out loud, i said "and THAT'S why you're better off living nonreligious". Then we looked at eachother with a confused look, having realized that we had a full telepathic conversation except for that final statement. It was really, really bizarre. We still occasionally talk about that moment, and oddly enough that same friend texted me while I was typing this :tinfoil:


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    #18954897 - 10/09/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Of course you are, that's my point. God enables you to believe anything that fits your desired frame of view whether or not there is evidence for it's existence, it's harmful effects on others, or anything other criteria you could come up with. Using it to warrant belief in telepathy or astrology is no less ignorant than using it to justify genocide, slavery or murder, though it's definitely less evil.

And while I concede that believing in god doesn't make you stupid, being stupid is a strong predictor for belief in god: Source

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    #18955127 - 10/09/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

James Randi has admitted to lying and faking data in his challenge, why would you believe its a legitimate test?  He made a living off of cherry picking people to make fun of.  He's like the magic version of rush Limbaugh.


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    #18955161 - 10/09/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #18955581 - 10/09/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why don't you bring this "telepathy is real, its really no biggie."  to the scientific community?  I sure evidence of this claim will be worth $ millions.

That fact is there is no evidence, this is pure speculation and nothing more.





pure speculation for you and the science community maybe, but not for me. evidence?, it;s in a peice of paper somewhere where i had like 5 questions which my friend never saw, but guessed them all right. it is beyond science, its not something you can study and make into a weapon. it doesn't work that way, either you have it or you don;t.

but like i said, it is really no big deal, and the more you think of it as so, the harder it will be to understand it and document it for the science community.


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    #18955611 - 10/09/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Have you considered that you simply got better at guessing what image or thought your friend would be thinking about after doing this a couple times?

Have you considered that he was lying about what he was thinking, and just told you what you wanted to hear.

Have you considered that you were on drugs, and you were hardly objective observers?

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    #18955632 - 10/09/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

and that is why it fails in the science department, because it requires a special kind of connection between two, or a number of people.


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    #18955644 - 10/09/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why can't those two special people demonstrate their special powers under controlled conditions, and repeatedly?


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    #18955649 - 10/09/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Have you considered that he was lying about what he was thinking, and just told you what you wanted to hear.




wouldn;t this also proof some sort of telepathic communication?..


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Have you considered that he was lying about what he was thinking, and just told you what you wanted to hear.




wouldn;t this also proof some sort of telepathic communication?..




No. Because the one dude told the other dude what it was, and then got a confirmation.


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    #18955689 - 10/09/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A friend and I did something similar once. I had him stare at a card, and think it to me. I got them all right. He had no idea I could see the card reflected in the window behind him. :lol:


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exactly, but the communication was silent..


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    #18956277 - 10/09/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Way to ignore the rest of my post btw, since it makes your position look as ignorant as it is. If telepathy is as easy as eating some shrooms, why not go win a million dollars and turn the world of science upside down? Oh right, because despite years of attempts nobody has conclusively showed any ability of empirical telepathy, not on drugs, not in meditation, not in prayer. (Because it's not real)




that contest is totally silly man, that's like saying 'prove spiritual experiences are real, win million dollars.' they might as well give the money to some yogi sitting in an ashram in India if they were truly serious about it.



Contest asking to prove mysticism claims is silly, but mysticism isn't :burke:


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    #18956296 - 10/09/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I can say that telepathy works best when two people are closely connected to begin with i.e - very close friends or lovers. They also must be receptive to such things. And as all things practice makes perfect and the amazing abilities of the mind is no exception.

I completed similar experiments with my best friend years back, numerous times over the course of being sober and several LSD trips. We did a series of tests with shapes and colors using a method that could not be cheated, and in the end we had something like a 9 out of 10 success rate, consistently.We never felt the need to boast about it or try and prove it to anyone else. It just confirmed for us what we already knew, and what truly everyone is capable of.


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    #18956343 - 10/09/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

One person should be highly stimulated, and the other person should be receptive. :rolleyes:

Rather than a simple line of force, use a telephone, walkie talkie, cup-and-string, etc. as intuitive mediums of exchange. You could imagine getting a letter by snail mail.

fwiw, skilled aura reading should be adequate, if you were to look ahead-of and behind a person. It should not be considered a flat screen, two dimensional skill.


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