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wcfcarolina13
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Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad
#18952170 - 10/08/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's an experiment for the books. I'm currently taking a course on agroecology and have learned some basics about allelopathy,the behavior of mycelium in the natural environment, and a bit about how legumes work.
Check this out:
Why not use a cover crop such as red clover (a legume) as a casing layer?
So here's the benefits I'm imagining:
-The legume will fix nitrogen, which can be used by the mycelium
-Since mycelium respirates, it will feed CO2 to the legume and vice versa
-Metabolites released from mycelium after the breaking down of organic material will be taken up as a nutrient by the legume
-The legume will provide the perfect microclimate for primordia formation (a canopy of clover), including the filtering of direct sunlight
-The mycelium will improve water and nutrient accessibility for the legume
-Whatever trichoderma that is present will be busy with the legume rather than the fungus, thus strengthening the symbiotic relationship even further (trichoderma = stronger legume = stronger mushroom.)
The main steps are as follows, extremely simplified:
-Colonize some jars -Pasteurize some substrate (good amount of vermiculite, since you're feeding more thirsty mouths now -partially colonize the substrate with your jars (tray or monotub) -transplant red clover into partially colonized substrate -see what happens, mist fairly often
One big factor I've yet to explore is how to balance the pH and how red clover will effect the pH. I'm also not sure how long it will take for the clover to be ready to survive a transplant. This shouldn't be too difficult to find, though.
I'm not sure if this experiment has been tried on purpose before, so I'm volunteering to explore the idea.
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Stromrider
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Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: wcfcarolina13]
#18952238 - 10/08/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And you lost me. Yeah your way over my head dude
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vaneazy
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Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: Stromrider]
#18952257 - 10/08/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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definitely go for it man and dont forget to post results with pics! the only thing i would think is maybe go for a bit more, maybe 4 inches, of substrate since theres going to be more than just the myc in there now but i will definitely be following this
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TrentBoyett
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Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: wcfcarolina13]
#18952386 - 10/08/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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forrest



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Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: TrentBoyett]
#18952522 - 10/09/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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are you doing it indoors or outdoors? andf what kind of mushroom? some kind that endulges in myccorhizal relationships? what exactly are you gonna use for substrate and put the plant in?, not just vermiculite i guess?
if you do it inside, the main problem with pH will be that the mycelium excretes acids and the substrate will get too acidic over time for both fungi and plant. outside with rain will be an other strory i guess
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jackalope9517
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Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: forrest]
#18952611 - 10/09/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You could add gypsum for the pH. Though I don't know how that would affect the clover.
Also you'd probably want to make sure your clover isn't bringing in any hitch-hikers that would jump off the clover and onto the mycelium.
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Nimpo
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Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: jackalope9517]
#18953631 - 10/09/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: Nimpo]
#18953902 - 10/09/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When cubes are not found growing on dung(if they are since I don't know) what plant's are usually near by. I would use those with the red clover and then of course a control tub. Either way I'm posting here to see if this goes anywhere because that would be awesome.
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