Home | Community | Message Board

Out-Grow.com - Mushroom Growing Kits & Supplies
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract, Kratom Powder For Sale   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   North Spore Bulk Substrate, North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Invisiblewcfcarolina13
Lurk lurk lurk
 User Gallery
Registered: 05/22/12
Posts: 38
Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad
    #18952170 - 10/08/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here's an experiment for the books. I'm currently taking a course on agroecology and have learned some basics about allelopathy,the behavior of mycelium in the natural environment, and a bit about how legumes work.

Check this out:

Why not use a cover crop such as red clover (a legume) as a casing layer?

So here's the benefits I'm imagining:

-The legume will fix nitrogen, which can be used by the mycelium

-Since mycelium respirates, it will feed CO2 to the legume and vice versa

-Metabolites released from mycelium after the breaking down of organic material will be taken up as a nutrient by the legume

-The legume will provide the perfect microclimate for primordia formation (a canopy of clover), including the filtering of direct sunlight

-The mycelium will improve water and nutrient accessibility for the legume

-Whatever trichoderma that is present will be busy with the legume rather than the fungus, thus strengthening the symbiotic relationship even further (trichoderma = stronger legume = stronger mushroom.)

The main steps are as follows, extremely simplified:

-Colonize some jars
-Pasteurize some substrate (good amount of vermiculite, since you're feeding more thirsty mouths now
-partially colonize the substrate with your jars (tray or monotub)
-transplant red clover into partially colonized substrate
-see what happens, mist fairly often

One big factor I've yet to explore is how to balance the pH and how red clover will effect the pH. I'm also not sure how long it will take for the clover to be ready to survive a transplant. This shouldn't be too difficult to find, though.

I'm not sure if this experiment has been tried on purpose before, so I'm volunteering to explore the idea.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStromriderM
This must be the place
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/13
Posts: 7,326
Loc: Dept of know what I'm say... Flag
Last seen: 19 hours, 13 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: wcfcarolina13]
    #18952238 - 10/08/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And you lost me. Yeah your way over my head dude :lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinevaneazy
Stranger

Registered: 09/20/12
Posts: 332
Last seen: 10 years, 1 month
Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: Stromrider]
    #18952257 - 10/08/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

definitely go for it man and dont forget to post results with pics! the only thing i would think is maybe go for a bit more, maybe 4 inches, of substrate since theres going to be more than just the myc in there now but i will definitely be following this


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTrentBoyett
Aspiring Mycologist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/29/12
Posts: 16,000
Loc: Kazakhstan
Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: wcfcarolina13]
    #18952386 - 10/08/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:threadmonitor:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineforrest
 User Gallery


Registered: 11/16/12
Posts: 1,011
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18952522 - 10/09/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

are you doing it indoors or outdoors?
andf what kind of mushroom?
some kind that endulges in myccorhizal relationships?
what exactly are you gonna use for substrate and put the plant in?, not just vermiculite i guess?

if you do it inside, the main problem with pH will be that the mycelium excretes acids and the substrate will get too acidic over time for both fungi and plant. outside with rain will be an other strory i guess


--------------------
My Trade List


Edited by forrest (10/09/13 12:17 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejackalope9517
(/*o*)/


Registered: 01/16/13
Posts: 380
Last seen: 9 years, 8 months
Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: forrest]
    #18952611 - 10/09/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You could add gypsum for the pH. Though I don't know how that would affect the clover.

Also you'd probably want to make sure your clover isn't bringing in any hitch-hikers that would jump off the clover and onto the mycelium.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleNimpo
Big Black


Registered: 05/10/12
Posts: 2,375
Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: jackalope9517]
    #18953631 - 10/09/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:popcorn:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Symbiotic relationships between fungus and plants...you're going to think I'm mad [Re: Nimpo]
    #18953902 - 10/09/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When cubes are not found growing on dung(if they are since I don't know) what plant's are usually near by. I would use those with the red clover and then of course a control tub. Either way I'm posting here to see if this goes anywhere because that would be awesome.

:aweyeah:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract, Kratom Powder For Sale   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   North Spore Bulk Substrate, North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Symbiotic Relationship? ralphie 891 6 02/21/05 10:06 AM
by ralphie
* syringe storage
( 1 2 all )
atlanticdreams 2,475 24 11/20/02 04:43 PM
by friggin wigga
* has anyone tried this jba6511 564 8 03/17/03 03:03 PM
by BigJohnson
* The new stamets book
( 1 2 all )
MikeOLogical 1,846 28 10/05/05 08:52 AM
by Tsinaglou
* Magash...? Symbiotic Realtions Fungi/Cannabis Anonymous 1,507 17 08/24/04 10:18 PM
by PaintedDeath
* Whole Grain/Legume Nutrition Calculator!
( 1 2 all )
Hoss 4,234 33 03/13/09 09:42 AM
by Mushroomery
* Dried Legumes ? CocoBongo 670 12 12/09/10 07:48 PM
by broken
* Using plants to eliminate Co2? Land_Crab 1,089 15 01/01/05 06:18 AM
by MushroomFriend

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
474 topic views. 37 members, 246 guests and 13 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.023 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 12 queries.