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Coen
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B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens
#18951745 - 10/08/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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These are definitely a Psilocybe species and I'm pretty sure it's cyanescens (which would be a first for me!) I'd like confirmation though ...
Habitat: Woody duff (needles, cones, chunks of wood, small plants) under tall, shady canopy of cedars and other large trees (maybe D. Fir & cottonwood)
Gills: Cream color
Stem: 22-35mm long, 2-4mm in diameter, white, some vertical streaks of bluish grey
Cap: 10-30mm in diameter, caramel brown, smooth, conical/convex in young'uns, mature specimens becoming flat and wavy with a bit of an umbo, greenish-blue bruising at margin.
Spore print color: Still printing but definitely looks dark (i.e., black/purple) and not rusty brown.
Bruising: Bruises blue-green on cap margin
Other information: I found these by accident: I was drawn to the spot by the medium-large Agaricus (?) species (see fifth photo) and then I saw some other dark LBMs that looked P. cyan size (also see fifth photo) and lo, there they were in all their minuscule glory!

p.s., any idea what the Agaricus is? Edible maybe?
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Coen]
#18951849 - 10/08/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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those are cyans for sure! nice find man
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Coen
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: nexxone]
#18951983 - 10/08/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the confirmation nexxone!
Any TIs wanna chime in? I don't think there's much doubt but I'd like to be really sure...
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: nexxone]
#18952000 - 10/08/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Things that will help us identify the Agaricus, at least to section/subgenus (which is all you need to know to know whether it's worth eating): -What does it smell like? -Any staining? If so, what color, and does it persist or fade to a different color?
Congratulations on the cyans!
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Coen
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Thanks!
As for the Agaricus,
- it doesn't smell terribly strong. Not really offensive but not really enticing either. I don't really know what "phenolic" is supposed to smell like...
- No really obvious staining. When I bisected a big one there was some dark brown/grey coloration where the cap meets the stalk....
The spore prints are looking like they're getting to a darker, chocolate brown. Though at first they seemed a lighter brown. Maybe by tomorrow morning they'll be thicker and the color will be more obvious.
See photos. (Apologies for indoor-lighting-affected color of the last two.)
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Coen]
#18952304 - 10/08/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep the ones with the caramel caps are Psilocybe cyanescens. Congrats!
The little dark brown ones are Macrocystidia cucumis, and are an indicator species for Psilocybe cyanescens, so if you see those, you are more likely to find Psilocybe cyanescens nearby.
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Coen]
#18952345 - 10/08/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice pictures, thank you!
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Coen
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: jet li]
#18952450 - 10/08/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool! Thanks for the confirmation and the id on the other LBMs. I'll be studying those in Arora tonight.
After hunting for these guys all last season with no luck, I was beginning to think they were rare-to-nonexistent in BC. Turns out they were just down the road, in a place I'd looked several times before! And (as cliché as it sounds) they found me when I wasn't even looking for them: I was photographing the Agaricuses (Agarici?) you see in the images.
I don't know how true the following generalizations are, but they may help some of my fellow noobs. I have found P. allenii and P. cyanescens once each in the Fraser valley (BC). In both cases they were in shady groves of large, old trees (D. fir & cedar) -- places that were pretty easy to walk through without bushes everywhere. The ground cover wasn't the fresh beds of pure woodchips that I was searching for: it was a mix of sticks, evergreen needles, cones, small plants, etc. And they were quite "mushroomy" places, if that makes sense; i.e., they weren't the drier places where those wood woollyfoot (Gymnopus peronatus) guys like to colonize. Also, don't forget that they're quite small and easily overlooked -- they've got such a big presence in our minds that we/I seem to expect they'll be bigger. Finally, they're pretty distinctively caramel in color with a nice contrasting white stalk. Pretty recognizable once you've seen them a couple of times. Anyways, I don't know if that helps anybody, but there it is ...
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Coen]
#18952821 - 10/09/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity. How does one differentiate between cyan and allenii?
I ask because my first thought was allenii with the striate margins and more conical caps.
Thanks.
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: MacMerdin]
#18952857 - 10/09/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im guessing they are cyans he just picked em kinda early
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Coen
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: MacMerdin]
#18953186 - 10/09/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obviously I'm no expert. My understanding is that the allenii are a bit bigger, tend not to occur in large groups (unlike cyans), and tend not to be as wavy even when mature. The shroom on my profile pic is supposedly an allenii (according to the folks on this site) -- I thought it was a cyan at first.
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Coen]
#18953392 - 10/09/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info guys. 
Looking at OregonMushys' pictures in his signature, the cyans have striate margins too.
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: MacMerdin]
#18953565 - 10/09/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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  Sorry I can't help you much with an I.D but you've given me hope for my first find.
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Re: B.C. Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Coen]
#18953634 - 10/09/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Coen said: My understanding is that the allenii are a bit bigger, tend not to occur in large groups (unlike cyans), and tend not to be as wavy even when mature.
They do tend to get a little larger at maturity, but still they share a similar size range. The difference is not often all that marked.
P. allenii grow in groups and clusters just as readily as P. cyanescens does. I have never in person (though I have in many, many photos) seen fruitings of P. cyanescens as large as I often see with P. allenii.
The primary distinction which makes differentiation easy in the field is the latter point. P. allenii often have wavy margins, but they do not tend often to go flat, with upturned margin waves as in the classical form of P. cyanescens. When they try, they often split into what look like rounded lobes, making a sort of flower petal pattern. The preponderance of immature specimens will still have the rounded bulbous appearance in the caps much later into maturity as compared with P. cyanescens.
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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it. If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.
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