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suicidal brother
#18951744 - 10/08/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, my brother has been having some issues the past few years. I don't wont to leave a wall of text so I wont go too far into detail right now. I can elaborate more if someone would like to offer input but needs more background.
Anyways, tonight he told my parents that he can't make it to the end of the year. He said is going to to talk to his lawyer and a financial adviser about getting things in order so that the family doesn't have to deal with all that stuff.
He is on a LOT of anti-depressant medication. Personally, I think that stuff is contributing to the severity of his depression. I'd like to suggest that he use some alternatives. Apparently his doctor had told him before that if medical marijuana was legal here he wouldn't need to take so many pills.
I think he needs to get off those damn pills and maybe a psychedelic jolt would do him some good as well. I'm no doctor though, and for all I know hallucinogens could just make things worse for him.
I don't know how to approach this. Any day now I could receive news that he killed himself. I don't want to deal with that knowing that I thought he should try something like having a trip, but never mentioned it.
I would also hate if I did convince him to do it and then it only made things worse.
I feel like an ayahuasca experience would be very intense, but cleansing for him to endure.
I'm not sure what I'm asking for here, but any input is welcome. . .
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Dudits
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Registered: 09/16/13
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Loc: West coast
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Start him on weed and kava to work him off the meds. Then maybe some shrooms, or something. Spiritual awakenings can't be forced, and I hate to say it but sometimes people just can't hang in this world. I've lost a few of my best friends to this kind of stuff and never really understood until I had a really bad month and wanted to end my life. Luckily for me it was only a month, I can't imagine someone making it a whole year feeling the same way I felt, that in itself is commendable.
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Re: suicidal brother [Re: Dudits]
#18953084 - 10/09/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Get his friends and family together and stage some sort of intervention? Atleast have the people who care about him tell him then see if he'd be up to change his medications.
Good luck.
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happymealplease
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The only thing you can do to "help" suicidal people is watch them 24/7 to make sure they don't attempt. Recovery has to come from within.
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Having benefited from Aya ceremonies, I would very strongly advise in their favor. Get your bro over to some UDV, Santo Daime people or trusted Peruvian Ayahuascquero, or a proper curandero for that matter, if you can afford the time and travel to do so.
Of course costs may be an issue, so to this end please consider looking into the Native American Church and their use of Peyote, in context. I'm in Europe so had some access to Aya (the Santo Daime in the Netherlands) but if I were in the US, I'd absolutely consider the NAC as well. Might be much more affordable.
Please keep in mind that it's not just the molecule by itself. Shrooms for instance might help, as may Aya or Peyote alone, but the larger context, the long ceremony, that has a huge impact as well. Might take more than one session to get a lasting cure, but unlike doctors and corporations, you'd be involved with actual human beings that work for the greater good, as opposed to a messed up system looking to squeeze every last buck out of your pocket.
Solutions do exist. Inform yourself about them and then put in the effort to get your brother to access them.
What's your brother doing btw, how is he living? Does he have a job, does he get outside, exercise and socialize at all? Is he getting enough sleep during the night and sunlight during the day? Does he do something constructive, some kind of work that gives purpose to his life? Are you treating him like a productive member of your group or as a victim? If your doc mentioned medical mj, are you providing any non-medical, from-the-dealer mj, or is he getting some himself?
You can't just do what the TV and corporate-funded doctor tell you to, and then expect your brother to turn out well. You may have to bend a few rules to get some actual effective medicine and get the job done.
-------------------- Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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His situation is pretty complicated. He had a great job selling semi trucks and was making a lot money. All that money didn't make him happy though, nor did it help hold is relationship together with his wife. He had checked himself into some place for his depression, and while he was there she visited to let him know that she was filing for divorce.
He has two children with her and an older daughter with another woman. Because he was making so much money at the time of the divorce he was ordered to pay a ridiculous amount of child support. His first child's mother also get's WAY more than they would ever need to help care for the girl.
Over the past year he hasn't made shit at his job and is pretty much completely broke now because he is too proud to go back to court and have his child support lowered.
As for using marijuana outside of a prescription, that is a no go. His ex wife can request he be drug tested at any time (but no more than 4 times a year) and he has to submit within 48 hours.
I've tried to encourage him to put all those emotions into something creative like learning to play an instrument or get involved in ANY creative endeavor. He was working out regularly for a while, but I doubt he has been keeping up with it.
He also cuts himself.
I have had talks with him before and expressed that I loved him and there are a lot of people that care for him. My parents told him the same thing after what he had said last night, and his response was "they'll get over it".
He attempted suicide last Thanksgiving and was found.
I will look into finding out if there are some things near like you mentioned. I live in TX so there should be a NAC around, but I don't know if they would allow someone not a member who is not Native American in a ceremony. It's worth looking into though.
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Spacerific
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Ok well from what you say, based on what I felt with the Aya, I think it definitely has a fantastic power to reconnect a man with his deeper core, the parts that don't get shattered by a divorce, a lost job, even lost children or family members. That inner drive to live with all you've got, to create, to be useful, functional, to get up and strive for life against ALL odds, as long as you have any pulse left.
I've seen myself be bored, mildly depressed, apathetic, weak-willed, all sorts of negative states, and never have any of them stood long before the power of the Aya. If you can manage the details of actually getting him there, I think your chances are very good that it would help A LOT.
Psychedelics don't show up on drug tests. Acid, psilocybin, Ayahuasca, mescaline, all of these, if you can get a hold of them, will be of some help at least. Mushroom micro-dosing for instance, that might help with whatever daily issues he has now. Unless his ex-wife can also order a SWAT team to break down his door and search his premises at random times, micro-dosing would be well worth a try. Do keep in mind however I'm not a doctor, so this is my personal opinion only, as someone who's never taken antidepressants, nor knows of their interactions.
Sad to hear about the ridiculous child support court decisions, I don't have to tell you that that whole country is now a wild Babylon of lawyers, pharma pills, noise (advertising) illusions and lies. These psychedelics cut through all that, perhaps that's why they're so feared and frowned upon by the mainstreamers.
Edit: I should mention this part. Are there risks? Sure. As you know, extreme states may require large doses to fix. Large doses do carry the risk of bad trips. So it's one of those things where one has to look deep inside himself and see what's in there. Do you bite the bullet and take the cure, or stay in the safe zone, fearful and defeated, being slowly turned into a shadow by ineffective antidepressants? That's something only he himself can judge and decide. He does sound like a resourceful guy, I'd definitely talk to him about it. I have yet to see a depressed person that will say no to something that could potentially help them right away, fast.
The NAC are not just dealers of Peyote. They are experienced navigators of that whole process. It's very valuable to have such members of your tribe, people who can lead and offer support during a difficult healing. I don't know how many NAC people you'd have to ask before you get some assistance in this, I can only tell you it's very much worth it.
Edited by Spacerific (10/09/13 06:37 PM)
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