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All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE
    #18946229 - 10/07/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have been having some poor results from poo. I think I may have gotten some that was to fresh. So I got to thinking, maybe there is a better way to do this, increasing yields, and reducing effort.

I mentioned this idea once and people said the rye may not have enough moisture. Let's find out first hand.

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Agar was colonized and a sector transferred to LC.
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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: budmanman]
    #18946255 - 10/07/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I've never had any significant results from straight grain casings. coir is easy, why not try it?

and unfortunately i see a good amount of burst grains :/


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: budmanman]
    #18946261 - 10/07/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You could just go with a CVG sub and call it a day :shrug:.  If straight grain produced as well as spawning to bulk, you would find almost every TC on the board doing it.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18946300 - 10/07/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I cased one quart jar once and got an ounce on the first flush dry so if it does anything comparable to that per jar then it will be a winner.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18947768 - 10/08/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You could just go with a CVG sub and call it a day :shrug:.  If straight grain produced as well as spawning to bulk, you would find almost every TC on the board doing it.




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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18950076 - 10/08/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well no one is ever able to provide a example of someone trying so now there will be one.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: budmanman]
    #18950274 - 10/08/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's because people don't generally post failed results unless they are a noob and don't know what they're looking at.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18950389 - 10/08/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's worth a shot, more experiments for reference never hurt :thumbup:


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18950456 - 10/08/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding:


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18950543 - 10/08/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My reasoning for why I think it will go relatively well, specifically the cased tub, is every time I ever used more bird seed grain spawn I see a significant increase in yields. I once used 9 quart jars of bird seed spawn and 8 quarts of poo and got an 11 ounce first flush vs my average for 4-5 quarts of spawn and 11 quarts of poo which would yield an average 6-8.5 ounces.

Rye is suppose to be superior to bird seed so my end result should be I am hoping 12-3 ounce first flush. That is what I am at least hoping for. It will be less than a ounce per quart but it is what I have my expectation to be.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: budmanman]
    #18950684 - 10/08/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is this an isolate?  You say you transferred a sector of agar but didn't mention if it was.  If it isn't, then your results cannot be conclusive.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18950866 - 10/08/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It is not an isolate but if it yields well it will show that it is a method to grow.

Everyone is so quick to dismiss even trying it without any evidence to support that it is a bad idea.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: budmanman]
    #18950875 - 10/08/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, since it's still MS there is no real credibility on a single test.

Maybe if you did a hundred or so with the same experiment, using MS, you'd at least have some patterns to try to sort out.

Why not just get yourself an isolate?


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18951010 - 10/08/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have been working on one for a while. About 2 months.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: budmanman]
    #18951065 - 10/08/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The easiest way to get a good-fruiting isolate is to clone a nice cluster from the first flush of one of your MS grows.

Isolate any sectoring and then test them out. IME, 4 out of 5 turn out to be great performers. Saves a lot of hassle when you just let the myc sort out the best fruiters for you.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: budmanman]
    #18951072 - 10/08/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I just switched strains.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18951091 - 10/08/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The easiest way to get a good-fruiting isolate is to clone a nice cluster from the first flush of one of your MS grows.

Isolate any sectoring and then test them out. IME, 4 out of 5 turn out to be great performers. Saves a lot of hassle when you just let the myc sort out the best fruiters for you.




What if you just take a good cluster clone and not isolate it any further? How will it perform?


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: Stromrider]
    #18951117 - 10/08/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Some will be isolates from the start. You can certainly do a straight tissue to agar to grains, and it will perform how it performs.

This issue with a clone that has multiple genetics is that you cannot save that culture for later use, without a lot of unnecessary work trying to keep sectors together.

And since it is not uncommon for your first plate to be dirty, so sometimes you have to make transfers anyhow.


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18951146 - 10/08/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I took a clone to agar a few weeks ago and ended up with 4 isolates. I took them to grain masters about a week ago.

What would you say the average # of strains per clone is? 4 or 5?


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Re: All rye grain bulk grow experiment. Cased vs Uncased. PE [Re: Stromrider]
    #18951152 - 10/08/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I couldn't tell ya, I never kept track :lol:

I just take a small cut from the leading edge of the fastest, healthiest looking mycelium after it grows out an inch from the original tissue.


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