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Black racists
    #1895096 - 09/08/03 06:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Why are some blacks, who are so quick to cry racism, so quick to perform racist acts themselves? Could it be that they see the end to being the "minority du jour"?






Navarrette: The W-word: African-American, Latino dispute turns nativist





By Ruben Navarrette Jr.
THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS

DALLAS -- Now that Dallas' first Mexican-American city manager has fired the city's first African-American police chief -- and deservedly so -- black activists are calling this a racist city. And to prove the point, some of those activists were quick to blame the chief's ouster on "sell-out wetbacks.''
That's the ethnic slur that appeared on a handmade sign held up by a supporter of former Police Chief Terrell Bolton at a recent and raucous meeting of the Dallas City Council. The W-word also popped up on signs at street protests organized by Bolton supporters.
It's stunning and sad just how quickly a group can go from charging that one of their own is a victim of racism to spewing racism of their own.
The irony wasn't lost on Hector Flores, national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), himself a Dallas resident.
"Some in the black community are turning into what they hate the most," Flores said. "These are hateful, racially tinged words and they should never be used.''
The conventional wisdom is that the hateful, racially tinged word in question was aimed at Dallas City Manager Ted Benavides. His firing of Bolton last week was no surprise. Bolton was a management disaster of the first order, and everyone in this town -- well, almost everyone -- could see it.
Even so, I think the conventional wisdom is wrong. I don't think the W-word was directed just at Benavides. I think the slur was aimed at a wider audience: namely, every Mexican and Mexican-American resident of the nation's eighth-largest city.
It was with dizzying speed that Latinos wound up front and center in the controversy over the police chief's firing. Within hours of the ouster, at least one African-American elected official was on radio and television advancing the notion that the only reason Bolton was fired was because Latinos brokered a deal with city officials to appoint a Latino police chief.
That's becoming a common theme around the country. Now that Latinos have replaced African-Americans as the country's largest minority group, you hear variations of the same line over and over again from black leaders in cities from Los Angeles to New York to Miami to Detroit. The Latinos are taking over.
In Dallas, a few years ago, a black candidate for an open seat on the City Council was caught on videotape saying as much to a mostly black audience. And other black officials around town have talked themselves hoarse over the years warning that gains for Latinos could result in setbacks for African-Americans.
It's true that in recent days, black ministers, black community leaders, and three of the four black members of the City Council have tripped over themselves to apologize that the W-word ever got into the debate. But that was only after Latino leaders kicked up a fuss. They didn't say anything before that, nor did they do anything to remove the offensive signs when they first appeared.
I'm afraid that's no surprise either. If you think this latest W-word incident is an isolated one, think again. At other protests in recent years, African-Americans have held up similar signs or chanted: "Go back to Mexico.'' They've resorted to nativist rhetoric before, and so -- apology or not -- they'll probably do it again. Because they know that this is a soft spot for many Latinos, this notion that even those whose families go back several generations in the United States can be pushed back on their heels with an accusation that they just swam across the river.
They ought to teach this stuff in college-level sociology courses. Twenty or 30 years ago, one could draw the storyboard of a city like Dallas by using just two colors in the crayon box: black and white. Back then, at the height of the civil rights movement, it was African-Americans who had the monopoly on victim status. That produced a generation of white guilt, an awesome force that can, among other things, keep an incompetent police chief on the job longer than he should have been. Now Dallas has more Latinos than either blacks or whites, folks are scrambling to find more crayons.
Flores seems to thinks that a lot of people are content with the crayons they have.
"The notion of civil rights is embedded in people's minds as black and white,'' he said. "Latinos are an afterthought.''
I don't know about that. This latest episode is a reminder that, for those in need of scapegoats and villains, Latinos can be among the first groups that come to mind.



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Re: Black racists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1895114 - 09/08/03 06:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone has certain racist tendencies, whether they realize it or not. The sooner you realize it, the sooner the can work on overcoming them.


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Re: Black racists [Re: silversoul7]
    #1895139 - 09/08/03 06:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Everyone has certain racist tendencies, whether they realize it or not. The sooner you realize it, the sooner the can work on overcoming them.



Not true. Not "everyone" has racist tendencies whether you want to believe it or not.

I don't base my feelings of a person based on their race, but rather...
are they decent or are they assholes.

If they are decent.... i generally like them,
if they are assholes, I don't.

Pretty simple system.


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Re: Black racists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1895172 - 09/08/03 06:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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silversoul7 said:
Everyone has certain racist tendencies, whether they realize it or not. The sooner you realize it, the sooner the can work on overcoming them.



Not true. Not "everyone" has racist tendencies whether you want to believe it or not.

I don't base my feelings of a person based on their race, but rather...
are they decent or are they assholes.

If they are decent.... i generally like them,
if they are assholes, I don't.

Pretty simple system.



I don't buy it. You may THINK you don't make judgements of people based on race, but subconsciously, everyone makes judgements based on appearance. It's part of human nature. This can be overcome to a certain extent, but rarely can one overcome it entirely.


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Re: Black racists [Re: silversoul7]
    #1895192 - 09/08/03 06:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You don't have to buy shit.

The only appearance judgements I make are not based on race, but rather...
1. Is she hot or not.
2. Are they a slob or not.

Now if you have closet racist tendencies, then you work on them. Don't paint all of us with your brush, because frankly, the color doesn't suit all of us.  :wink:


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Re: Black racists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1895224 - 09/08/03 06:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So you honestly don't feel the least bit uncomfortable in an all-black or hispanic neighborhood? You aren't more suspicious of Arabs on an airplane than you are of others? Maybe I shouldn't have said racist. Prejudiced would be a better word. The fact is that it's very natural for people to make judgements about others based on their appearance.


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Re: Black racists [Re: silversoul7]
    #1895236 - 09/08/03 06:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

When I was a salesman, part of my territory was Harlem. It wasn't blacks that made me uncomfortable, as many of my customers were black and were very decent people.

I didn't say I didn't make judgements based on peoples appearance. I do not make them based on race. Period.


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Re: Black racists [Re: silversoul7]
    #1896169 - 09/08/03 11:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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So you honestly don't feel the least bit uncomfortable in an all-black or hispanic neighborhood?




i would say that is a bad example... i think it has more to do with the fact that people look at poeple of thier own race as part of a community, so people of other races would be outsiders. just a theory, It might have something to do with cultural messagas

or mabey its just me, growing up in fort greene brooklyn, and getting beat up and bullied by black kids alot when I was younger...



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Re: Black racists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1896521 - 09/09/03 01:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I don't base my feelings of a person based on their race, but rather...are they decent or are they assholes.


So why did you title this thread "Black racists" rather than "Asshole racists"? What does the fact that they are black have to do with it?

btw, have you ever started a thread about "white racists"?


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Re: Black racists [Re: Xlea321]
    #1896706 - 09/09/03 02:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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So why did you title this thread "Black racists" rather than "Asshole racists"? What does the fact that they are black have to do with it?




Good point. :laugh:

I guess it takes some effort to overcome natural prejudices.
I once bought my daughter a black baby doll and at the beginning she refused to play with it so I think this is something we're born with.


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Re: Black racists [Re: zeronio]
    #1896725 - 09/09/03 02:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

good lord.


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Re: Black racists [Re: Xlea321]
    #1896892 - 09/09/03 03:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That was my first thought, but then I read the minority du'jour part.

He asked that because that was the question.


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Re: Black racists [Re: Xlea321]
    #1897128 - 09/09/03 05:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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So why did you title this thread "Black racists" rather than "Asshole racists"? What does the fact that they are black have to do with it?



Geez Alpo, I don't know. Perhaps because that's what the story is about? Starting off a little slow today are you?


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btw, have you ever started a thread about "white racists"?



Dog bites man vs. man bites dog Alpo. Think about it.


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Re: Black racists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897540 - 09/09/03 10:48 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Politics in Dallas make politics in Israel look civil. That is why I live in Fort Worth instead of Dallas. All of the politics from the city to the school board are consistantly racist. Commonly race is a requirement for a position, instead of character and qualifications. In the case of the police chief, there were about 8 guys above him that were more qualified. He was given the job mainly because he is black. This guy was a freaking sargeant, and was made chief. The hiring was ridiculous to say the least. He turns around and demotes all of his former superiors which ended up costing the city about $5 million. This may have been in the article above. I did not read it, because I live here, and have been hearing about this crap for weeks.

People here are so quick to throw out the race card it is sickening. Ever since he got canned he has been on TV crying, literally, about how he doesn't know why he got fired. The guy is using his church for this to. It is just disgusting really. He is crying about how he is not going to be able to support his family and all this other crap. Maybe if he sells the $150,000 motor home, and $30,000 chunk of land he built to store it last year he will be OK. The bottom line is, the guy sucked as chief, and deserved to be fired.


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Re: Black racists [Re: shakta]
    #1897550 - 09/09/03 10:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Why you racist bastard!

:lol:


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Re: Black racists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897554 - 09/09/03 10:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What, what did I say? I need to maintain my PC status.


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Re: Black racists [Re: shakta]
    #1897574 - 09/09/03 11:07 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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What, what did I say? I need to maintain my PC status.



You pointed out actual reasons for his job loss when we all know.....
it's cause da man wants ta keep da bruddas down!




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Re: Black racists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897600 - 09/09/03 11:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No shit. Truth be told, he probably kept his job longer than he should have because he was black. The demotion fiasco was just a very small part of the reasons he was fired. Fake drugs were used to entrap many people for drug charges under his watch. I believe around 100 people were released from prison from that one. The crime in Dallas is the worst in the country. He was accused of overtime mismanagement repeatedly, and his hiring and firing practices were a joke. Basically the guy sucked as a chief.


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Re: Black racists [Re: shakta]
    #1897606 - 09/09/03 11:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm agreeing with you.


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Re: Black racists [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897613 - 09/09/03 11:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I know, I was just giving you some more of the reasons he was fired.


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