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Re: Obamacare [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #18948828 - 10/08/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

qman and cc1 where do you think universal HC came from?

The healthcare lobbyists!!

Yes but it was written for the PUBS in the '90s

It was the pubs answer to Hillary Care.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54]
    #18948896 - 10/08/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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qman and cc1 where do you think universal HC came from?

The healthcare lobbyists!!

Yes but it was written for the PUBS in the '90s

It was the pubs answer to Hillary Care.




What "universal HC"?


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Re: Obamacare [Re: qman]
    #18949174 - 10/08/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well yins (lol) def. know more bout this than I do if that is truly the case I was in high school in the 90s and coluld have gave a fuck about much more than where my next batch of pot, mushrooms, or LSD was coming from! Man I wish that's all I had to worry bout these days!


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #18950462 - 10/08/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In any case, it is the law, and it's going to stay the law for the foreseeable future.  It has the support of the people, and it's not going to be repealed.

We might as well see how well it works/fails before we start with the "I told you so"


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Enlil]
    #18950660 - 10/08/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

According to Zap it doesn't have the support of the people :rolleyes:.  That is until you start asking people whether they would rather have the PPACA or the system we had before, then the polls start showing more support.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18950683 - 10/08/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Zappaisgod's judgment is clouded by his own irrational loyalty to his party.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/

That article is a week old.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18950744 - 10/08/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The PPACA was the comprimise to the Right over universal coverage.  We wanted single-payer.  We got Obamacare instead.




Complete bullshit lie.  Not one Republican voted for it.  There was no compromise.  The Dem Party knew they would get slaughtered at the next election if they voted for single payer.  You and your radical fellow travelers want even more BumCare but the American people, as a whole, do not support your titty sucking crap.

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The bill then passed by a vote of 60–39 on December 24, 2009, with all Democrats and two independents voting for, and all Republicans voting against
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The House passed the Senate bill with a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010, with 34 Democrats and all 178 Republicans voting against it.




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Why is now the defunding of Obamacare step one in negotiations again? 




At what point will you actually follow the news of the world?  The House has since passed two bills that do not defund the shit sandwich.  They passed one to delay it, as Obama has done several times for his cronies but not for shmucks, and another one that says to follow the law as written with no imperial waivers.
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How far does the Left have to bend in order to appease the right-wing radical Tea party?




What bend?


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Imperfect Iam] * 1
    #18950751 - 10/08/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.



There was not one Republican who supported this supposed compromise.  Not one.  Is that what you think compromise means?  There was no bipartisan support.  You lie as much as the Sweeper.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: qman]
    #18950761 - 10/08/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.




The Dems never wanted universal health care, who do you think wrote Obama Care?  The health care lobbyists!!

Obama Care is the corporate takeover of health care, both parties are in on it, universal care would have been the solution, but that means non-profit.



Didn't corporations already control it?:flowstone:


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18950782 - 10/08/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Complete bullshit lie.  Not one Republican voted for it.



False, Anh Cao voted for it in the house.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18950784 - 10/08/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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There was no compromise




:lol:

OK.

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The House has since passed two bills that do not defund the shit sandwich.




No, only impede its implementation.  Why is chipping away at (or complete defunding of) the PPACA the starting point?  It's done.  It's law.  Let it go.

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There was not one Republican who supported this supposed compromise.




If McCain/"Russia from her house" Palin were elected, this was going to be their proposal.  The "free market" solution to Universal coverage.

The conservatives are just mad that Obama ran (and won) as a Democrat but is a center-right corporatist, and enacted the policies they wanted.

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Didn't corporations already control it?:flowstone:




Unfettered control where they could take half your premium money for administrative costs and then drop you once you got sick.

:flowstone:


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #18950836 - 10/08/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Zappaisgod's judgment is clouded by his own irrational loyalty to his party.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/

That article is a week old.




I don't have a party.  From your link
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Among employed adults, 55 percent say they would consider looking for another job
if their employer shifted their health coverage to the health
insurance exchange






Oh yeah, they fucking love it.

So I went looking around because I have seen quite a few polls that contradict that and found another one from the Morning Consult

http://www.scribd.com/doc/156907327/TMC-Tracking-Poll-July-2013-Topline-Results-Final

Their sample:

Democrats n=885.  Independents n=546.  Republicans n=549

ORLY?


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Enlil]
    #18950862 - 10/08/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Complete bullshit lie.  Not one Republican voted for it.



False, Anh Cao voted for it in the house.



You calling wikipedia a liar?  Those quotes were from the wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

Regardless it is a flagrant lie to assert that there was any compromise made with Republicans


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18950886 - 10/08/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No, I think Wikipedia is the be-all, end-all of accuracy:

"After President Obama called him the day of the vote, Cao was the sole Republican to vote for the Democrats' health-care reform bill in November 2009"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Cao


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18950904 - 10/08/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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There was no compromise




:lol:

OK.

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The House has since passed two bills that do not defund the shit sandwich.




No, only impede its implementation.  Why is chipping away at (or complete defunding of) the PPACA the starting point?  It's done.  It's law.  Let it go.


  Which Obama himself has done by fiat numerous times.  By the way, is that your stance on drug prohibition?  It is the law so it will always be the law?  Let it go? 
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There was not one Republican who supported this supposed compromise.




If McCain/"Russia from her house" Palin were elected, this was going to be their proposal.  The "free market" solution to Universal coverage.


  Palin didn't say that.  Tina Fey did.  Universal coverage is bullshit.  Do you not realize that unless you are a useless titty sucking bum the people who are going to get fucked the most by this are young healthy males?  Which are you?
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The conservatives are just mad that Obama ran (and won) as a Democrat but is a center-right corporatist, and enacted the policies they wanted.




Obama ran to the middle and made an immediate sharp turn leftward.  He was against gay marriage before he was for it.  He had no interest in gun control until he did.
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Didn't corporations already control it?:flowstone:




Unfettered control where they could take half your premium money for administrative costs and then drop you once you got sick.

:flowstone:




Another lie.  Would you please provide a link to support your assertion that half of premiums paid went to administration costs and also show how that will change under BumCare?  Thanks in advance.  Nothing says unfettered control like government control


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #18950919 - 10/08/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I think Wikipedia is the be-all, end-all of accuracy:

"After President Obama called him the day of the vote, Cao was the sole Republican to vote for the Democrats' health-care reform bill in November 2009"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Cao




I believe you.  Wiki shit the bed on that one.  Which, like I said, is irrelevant to the idiotic assertion that there was ever anything in BumCare that was either a compromise or a sop to the right.  One term bitch.

This is interesting:

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the first and thus far only Republican from his New Orleans-based district since




I'm guessing he was about as Republican as Bloomberg


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18951014 - 10/08/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Which Obama himself has done by fiat numerous times.  By the way, is that your stance on drug prohibition?  It is the law so it will always be the law?  Let it go? 




No, my opinion is to change the laws via the democratic process.  Non-sequitur.

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Palin didn't say that.




Yeah, and the bullshit you spew that people didn't say/don't believe doesn't stop you.

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Which are you?




Yep, covered by my government worker parents' insurance for another two years :thumbup:

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Obama ran to the middle and made an immediate sharp turn leftward.




No, he ran left of Hilary, and then went to the middle.

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half of premiums paid




Hyperbole.  You seem to use it all the time, why can't I?

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how that will change under BumCare




http://obamacarewatcher.org/topic/medical-loss-ratios

If the insurance companies weren't taking your premium money for administrative costs, people wouldn't have recieved rebate checks.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamacare-health-insurance-rebates-check/story?id=19701785


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18951166 - 10/08/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Which Obama himself has done by fiat numerous times.  By the way, is that your stance on drug prohibition?  It is the law so it will always be the law?  Let it go? 




No, my opinion is to change the laws via the democratic process.  Non-sequitur.




I do believe the House is following the proper democratic process.
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Palin didn't say that.




Yeah, and the bullshit you spew that people didn't say/don't believe doesn't stop you.




Huh?  Palin didn't say it.  Why does the left have to lie so much?
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Which are you?




Yep, covered by my government worker parents' insurance for another two years :thumbup:




And then what?
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Obama ran to the middle and made an immediate sharp turn leftward.




No, he ran left of Hilary, and then went to the middle.




He ran to the middle in the general election and then took a hard turn left.  Him vs Hillary?  So what?
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half of premiums paid




Hyperbole.  You seem to use it all the time, why can't I?




Example?
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how that will change under BumCare




http://obamacarewatcher.org/topic/medical-loss-ratios

If the insurance companies weren't taking your premium money for administrative costs, people wouldn't have recieved rebate checks.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamacare-health-insurance-rebates-check/story?id=19701785




Yeah, so?  Do you not realize that there is now an entirely new level of administrative expense?  It probably cost more tax dollars to determine who was undercontributing than the amount that will be disbursed in reparations.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18951776 - 10/08/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So you will not be covered by obamacare?


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #18951919 - 10/08/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He HAS to get coverage under the ACA or pay a fine.

Sorry forgot the


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