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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18950180 - 10/08/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't you think if growing straight from grains was practical and economical, commercial farms would be doing it?



Commercial farms of what? Cubensis or Reishi? I know of few edible/medicinal species than can fruit from grains at all much less with champion yields like Cubensis can, so clearly I was talking about Cubensis, tho I see now he claims he's growing medicinals.

Can't find the exact quote, but on a few occasions I've seen RR mention that straight grains "yield better than you'd think," which seems to apply to you. The effect is much more stark with small subs and bottom-watering.


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Hi Violet, nice to see you bumping your thread that ends in RR calling you out :lmafo:



Hi Frank, nice to see you pretending that matters :lmafo: oh and taking me off ignore! :heart:



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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18950213 - 10/08/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Hi Violet, nice to see you bumping your thread that ends in RR calling you out :lmafo:





I can't find an emoticon to express my feelings.

Is there an emoticon for "schadenfreude"?


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: Violet]
    #18950228 - 10/08/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Q: How can one ever find out that something is actually true if a non-experience-based preconceived notion of falsehood prevents one from looking?
A: One cannot, the truth will be missed without the slightest clue.




This forum is for mushroom cultivation, not religion.

"Oh accept my almighty plastic cup as your savior and free yourself from the chains of monotubulation."


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18950252 - 10/08/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually it's religious-like paradigms that CAUSE the aforementioned problem. Consider Galileo Galilei & the sun revolving around the earth, and you find that your insult is towards yourself.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: Violet]
    #18950295 - 10/08/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have to admit, nice comeback.

Maybe it won't take as long for you to get your apology as it did Galileo. But I'm sure it'll still be long after we're all dead too.

Edit*** I almost forgot:

How dare you compare yourself to Galileo. That has to be the most conceited and delusional thing I've ever read on this forum. You are not Galileo and your tek is far lifting the veil of the mechanics of the solar system.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18950320 - 10/08/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Grains in tiny tupperware containers are not suitable for bulk merely for the fact, even if they fruited just as good and had sufficient water retention, you are losing surface area in the spaces between containers.

99% of the time -less surface area =less fruits. Or else we would all be fruiting invitro.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18950344 - 10/08/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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At some point you must ask yourself just how many mushrooms does one man need to grow. Just be careful is all I'm saying




Right. I mean 15 60 gallon tubs could easily net you over 20 pounds of mushrooms. If that set up is constantly running your talking over 5 pounds a week. You could construct a custom box specified to your needs and liking.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: maddchef]
    #18950346 - 10/08/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If Galilei could just snap a shot of the earth revolving around the sun to prove his point,
but refused to do so for some unknown reason,
I'd just say he was dumb as fuck.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: spacechildo]
    #18950361 - 10/08/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Grains in tiny tupperware containers are not suitable for bulk merely for the fact, even if they fruited just as good and had sufficient water retention, you are losing surface area in the spaces between containers.

99% of the time -less surface area =less fruits. Or else we would all be fruiting invitro.



I don't fruit invitro with pint containers, no space inside - I fruit in FCs.

It's true what you say that the circular containers seem to involve a lesser amount of surface area per fruiting chamber space.
But: Your theoretical posit states "even if they fruited just as goodwell"...
But they don't fruit just as well, they fruit stronger. It's not in the 1st flush, but by the time they're done they've fruited far more yield per surface area than a bulk-diluted grain substrate would, and it makes up for more than the mentioned loss of surface area.

Further, these containers may not create as much surface area per space, but using something other than totes (IE shelving) allows for more containers total to be used in the same amount of space than totes could hold.
Just tried looking for where I posted the numbers about it and cannot find, but the math shows that I can fit more containers in a certain area on shelving than I could inside totes in that same area.


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If Galilei could just snap a shot of the earth revolving around the sun to prove his point,
but refused to do so for some unknown reason,
I'd just say he was dumb as fuck.



I think you're making a joke about someone else. Perhaps, Anne Halonium? I've got plenty of pics, long-time posted. I cannot spoon-feed everyone my evidence.



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I have to admit, nice comeback.
Maybe it won't take as long for you to get your apology as it did Galileo. But I'm sure it'll still be long after we're all dead too.

Edit*** I almost forgot:
How dare you compare yourself to Galileo. That has to be the most conceited and delusional thing I've ever read on this forum. You are not Galileo and your tek is far lifting the veil of the mechanics of the solar system.



I didn't "compare myself to Galileo", you're just being assumptive and inflammatory. It was just the likeness used for the "nice comeback". I think you understood better at first then read too far into it looking for another way to be a dick to me.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: Violet]
    #18950377 - 10/08/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I cannot force-feed everyone my bullshit.




There. I fixed that for you. You don't have to thank me. Knowing I did the right thing is thanks enough. :thumbup:


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18950381 - 10/08/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Hi Violet, nice to see you bumping your thread that ends in RR calling you out :lmafo:





I can't find an emoticon to express my feelings.

Is there an emoticon for "schadenfreude"?




I agree 150%!

Welcome to the new age! :laugh2:


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: Violet]
    #18950395 - 10/08/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Violet: Yes, that might be.
So you're not claiming to pull 1oz pr pp-cup?
I thought you two were doing more or less the same tek,
claiming more or less the same results?

I'm worried about the fertilizer though, for the sake of mother earth.
The way those chems are produced... ugh :frown:


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: spacechildo]
    #18950415 - 10/08/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You cats have nothing decent, helpful, revealing, or enlightening to say about the topic. Thread after thread of your gangup nonsense has made it clear, all you have is some good mimic'd grows and the same trollery and assholery you so quickly accuse others of.
While you're stressing your little hearts away about making cool-looking responses on an anonymous forums, I enjoy everyday the experience of that which you foolishly think is untrue :]

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Violet: Yes, that might be.
So you're not claiming to pull 1oz pr pp-cup?
I thought you two were doing more or less the same tek,
claiming more or less the same results?

I'm worried about the fertilizer though, for the sake of mother earth.
The way those chems are produced... ugh :frown:



Thanks for the decent response spacechildo. I will honor it with a complete response!

I have not yet gotten a full 28g dry from a single container yet because I have not yet mastered my culturing and found the right one. The best I have done so far is 25g dry from a culture that typically does more like 20, which still ties bulk subs per grain and area, and beats it per energy. I am sure that with a carefully-selected culture 28g is not an unreachable yield per container.

I've heard and understand many such concerns & grievances regarding the ferts. In the seed&plastic tek thread there's a discussion about it and I have some responses about the nature of those concerns which can be read, but here I'll at least mention that a VERY small amount of the ferts goes for a VERY long time. Not even a fraction of a percent of fert use will ever be attributed to these ends.
Also, it's the ONLY thing I use ferts for, and very carefully. I'm morally against the release of ferts into the open environment.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: spacechildo]
    #18950420 - 10/08/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you keep challenging her on a cultivation level, then she will never go away.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18950435 - 10/08/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Violet reading your write ups and listening to you talk you sound very intelligent. Perhaps that is part of the problem. A lot of times very intelligent people try to reinvent the wheel when the fact is nothing is going to roll better than a round wheel. If you concentrated on growing mushrooms with tried and true proven techniques and worked to just improve upon those without trying to completely reinvent them you would probably be able to blow it out of the water. Just a little food for thought


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18950459 - 10/08/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Point is the op is trying to fill a grow room basically. That many containers to wash, stack, store, monitor, etc is just too much. Especially when a shelving unit with 5 slide out beds could be made cheaply and require wayyyyy less maintenance and pull as much if not more than the equivalent in containers.

For most of us sub is relatively cheap, space however is not.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: maddchef]
    #18950474 - 10/08/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, violet's tek was brought up as a joke. I think she missed that...ah, no, she probably didn't :rolleyes:

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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: maddchef]
    #18950601 - 10/08/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Silly Frank, I brought it up myself. I think you missed that :wink:

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Point is the op is trying to fill a grow room basically. That many containers to wash, stack, store, monitor, etc is just too much. Especially when a shelving unit with 5 slide out beds could be made cheaply and require wayyyyy less maintenance and pull as much if not more than the equivalent in containers.

For most of us sub is relatively cheap, space however is not.



For such an endeavor, yes your point is a good one and you made it well.
However, my point is that the endeavor of filling a grow room is a bit of a silly one, something that seemed established in the thread before I posted. Filling a whole room to produce what half of it could with a different approach indeed is a waste of expensive space... not to mention all the other excess expenditures i.e. energy.

I can definitely understand thinking that a lot of containers is intimidating to handle. As somebody with 300+ containers, though, let me tell you it's a dream compared to a similar stock of glass jars, giant totes, and piles of sub!

The handling logistics of a large bulk sub grow is what begins to fall apart first, when you're handling not only the amount of grain involved but also all the bulk substrates. My tek allows for the use of watering with tap water instead of hydrating, heat-treating, & colonizing bulk subs as a method of hydration.


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Violet reading your write ups and listening to you talk you sound very intelligent. Perhaps that is part of the problem.



Thanks for the compliment! However I've yet to find a circumstance where intelligence is actually a problem or part of it.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18950659 - 10/08/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

im sure you can rig up some kind of "tray" system, but i would imagine it would become a pain in the ass in its own way, like 15-20 tubs can be.

that being said i have deduced, that you would have to make it a more than one man operation.


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Re: (More) bulk than monotubs? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18950674 - 10/08/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually violet, you did not. These two posts pre-date your entry into this thread:

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Dark76 said:
Now that I think about it, I wonder if Violet's Tek would fit his desire for extra bulk better. Certainly, Reishi could be done that way as well.

:stirthepot:

Edit: removed link, for reasons left unsaid.



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I hope you're joking :lol:

That thread is DOA:

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This thread has been closed.

Reason:
OK girls, or boys acting like girls.

I've had enough of this bullshit disinformation being passed around as fact by trolls.  This entire thread is based on stupid shit such as mushrooms using chemical fertilizer to become more potent, etc., etc.,

I can't bring myself to believe these two are simply this stupid.  They turn every mycological foundation on its ass, making absurd claims which cause those of us who know how to grow high quality mushrooms by the metric ton to roll our eyes, and then provide no backup.  This has gone on way too long and I'm sick to tears of having my inbox filled up with moderator notifications for trolling daily.  These two may as well be claiming that red cars get better gas mileage, and then demanding proof to the contrary from doubters.

Take it back to 'the other shroom sites' where such trolling is gobbled up by noobs without a clue.
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Dark76 had linked your locked tek as a joke, because that's what many of us see it as.


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