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Glowbox 5000 fist tank
#18950271 - 10/08/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So here is my 20g fish tank grow chamber! The bottom layer is water with 2 long air bubble stones. Next layer is for 1-1.5inch of perlite (not in there yet). Next layer houses the cakes! For the cover i just syranwrapped the lid of the tank. Right now everything is in the incubator which i use a water bomb to heat up the box. Im planning on putting a small fishtank thermometer in the bottom level set at 75 to keep the perfect temp(winters coming). Initial Spray is necessary on the sides to supercharge the start up! All of this is hidden in a tote(for stealth reasons) with Blue/Red Leds(correct NM n wavelength used during photosynthesis) to a switch on the outside. I used Leds vs a regular light because you can get the individual spectrum you want. Blues promote pinning so its a must. Also the outer box has two fans wired to switch's to blow on to the tank to help cool down(more for summer grows). Keep in mind in my pictures i have rabbit wire separating the layers, was gonna replace with some cut laundry basket siding. But if anything knows rabbit wire will be fine let me know!
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: MagicBoomer] 1
#18950321 - 10/08/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MagicBoomer said: So here is my 20g fish tank grow chamber!

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MagicBoomer said: Initial Spray is necessary on the sides to supercharge the start up!

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MagicBoomer said: All of this is hidden in a tote(for stealth reasons) with Blue/Red Leds(correct NM n wavelength used during photosynthesis) to a switch on the outside.

Mushrooms do not photosynthesize.....
You have a lot of reading to do.
Fish tanks have been outdated for 20 years, they dissipate gasses very poorly.
I suggest reading every link in my signature, that should get you pretty caught up.
You have been reading some really old info.
If cultivating cakes, go with a SGFC setup.
If you choose bulk, then monotubs or greenhouses are your best bet.
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MagicBoomer said: I used Leds vs a regular light because you can get the individual spectrum you want. Blues promote pinning so its a must.
Blues do not promote pinning, that is complete bullshit.
Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.
P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
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Some really good ideas but mushrooms are not plants nor are the fruit bodies
...."chlorophyll i thought you said boreophyll"
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: PussyFart]
#18950353 - 10/08/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is "fist tank" your word for the rectum, or is it your word for the bahjiner?
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: Me_Roy]
#18950366 - 10/08/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Reminds me of some of my early Rube Goldberg machines.
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: Me_Roy]
#18950368 - 10/08/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said: Is "fist tank" your word for the rectum, or is it your word for the bahjiner?
was that just a post to post something? how insightful
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18948851
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: PussyFart]
#18950412 - 10/08/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was just saying the the wavelength and the nms are the same used for photosynthis. for example if i used blue n red leds what didnt match the suns spectrum thats not going to tell the mushrooms its time to start pinning. hence induces pinning
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magicengineer AND magicboomer making 2 such similarly unnecessary devices?
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MagicBoomer said: I was just saying the the wavelength and the nms are the same used for photosynthis. for example if i used blue n red leds what didnt match the suns spectrum thats not going to tell the mushrooms its time to start pinning. hence induces pinning
No bro, light does not "induce" pinning...
As I stated before, main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is only secondary, after the main triggers are achieved.
Your substrate should be getting ambient/indirect light from the start.
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: PussyFart]
#18950488 - 10/08/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You just said again its a trigger doesnt matter if its first or second it still is an important component.
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Whats unnecessary with my set up? You need lights, perlight level, air flow. like i said its stealth so if i can consolidate it more im down.
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MagicBoomer said: You just said again its a trigger doesnt matter if its first or second it still is an important component.
I never said is was not important, but it is certainly not needed for pinning.
Mushrooms will colonize pin and fruit in complete darkness.
That being said having the proper spectrum lighting does help things be healthier and more plentiful.
My whole point is that you are stressing the fact that the proper light is needed for pinning, when that is just not the case.
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: PussyFart]
#18950519 - 10/08/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as i dont have to change them lol. Do you think a small heater in the water lvl to keep at 75 would be good? winters right around the corner gonna be hard to keep it warm in consistent with out it.
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Another thing to note is im trying to get perfect conditions on this 20gallon, because i have a 100gallon i would like to make a perfected model out of once it doesnt require as much stealth.
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: PussyFart]
#18950538 - 10/08/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think the rabbit wire will hurt anything? I was gonna switch out with plastic if i have to.
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MagicBoomer said: Whats unnecessary with my set up? You need lights, perlight level, air flow. like i said its stealth so if i can consolidate it more im down.
Using a fish tank is outdated and will most likely not function to your liking.
Blue lights are not needed, Daylight 6500K lighting is recommended.
They are more towards the blue end of the spectrum, but are still white.
Perlite in the bottom of a tub with no holes is pointless, and does nothing for humidity.
I highly doubt your air pump is sufficient for FAE....
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MagicBoomer said: As long as i dont have to change them lol. Do you think a small heater in the water lvl to keep at 75 would be good? winters right around the corner gonna be hard to keep it warm in consistent with out it.
You never want to heat the fruiting chamber, you want to heat the room.
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MagicBoomer said: Another thing to note is im trying to get perfect conditions on this 20gallon, because i have a 100gallon i would like to make a perfected model out of once it doesnt require as much stealth.
Fish tanks made shitty fruiting chambers 20 years ago....it hasn't gotten any better.
Build a SGFC for cakes, or monotubs for bulk...it's that simple bro....this is how you will get the best bang for your buck IMO.
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: PussyFart]
#18950556 - 10/08/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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 And why would you need 2 accounts? the engineer and the boomer? registered the same day, same unnecessary devices etc. You even post in the same posts with both accounts..
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: PussyFart]
#18950589 - 10/08/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The perlite is sitting on a raised rack, its the same as sitting on the bottom of a tube with holes in it. Same concept as the tub your talking about but i put the water with bubblers at the bottom n an air pump for 100+g should work well in a tank thats only 20g?
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I dont see how an sgfc is any different just has more holes to help with the exchange but thats what my pumps for other then that same exact thing.
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People grow in milk Cartons. I see it as your chamber can be whatever you want its the condition you need to create.
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An SGFC is different because 4-5 incehes of damp perlite is going to give better FAE while maintaining high RH than your bubble machine and 2 inches of elevated perlite.
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Also, your electronics on the inside are going to end up corroded and dead. That amount of light is almost useless.
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I can still do 4inch of perlite damp elevated.
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My electronics are only ran 12hrs aday the lights. and is all not in the fruiting chamber its in the tote on the outside of chamber.
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But i am worried about the rabbit wire corroding was thinking of replacing with plastic grate?
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MagicBoomer said: I dont see how an sgfc is any different just has more holes to help with the exchange but thats what my pumps for other then that same exact thing.
No, it's not....but hey we can only lead a horse to water....
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MagicBoomer said: I dont see how an sgfc is any different just has more holes to help with the exchange but thats what my pumps for other then that same exact thing.
It doesn't just have more holes. It has a lot more holes. Those pumps don't have a very large capacity, you would still want some well placed air holes when using them for additional air exchange and to help distribute the incoming air more effectively. Little pockets of still air are perfect places for mold to grow.
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Don't bump your own thread within 24 hours please. Compose your thoughts and then put them down all at once, not every few minutes.
You need to take pause and listen to those who have done this before you and have made suggestions. It's apparent you've read some outdated info. RR
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I under stand there are other ways to grow them.... im just asking about how i can better my specific box with all the stuff i have. Thanks Kizzel i think i will add some more air tubing around the tank without the bubble stone part just have the tube
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I get that you spent alot of time working on this and dont want it to go to waste, but you are turning something so simple into something way too complicated that wont work as well. Take the advice from the pros, your results will be much better. All you need is a rubbermaid tote and some perlite.
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MagicBoomer said: I was just saying the the wavelength and the nms are the same used for photosynthis. for example if i used blue n red leds what didnt match the suns spectrum thats not going to tell the mushrooms its time to start pinning. hence induces pinning
You're reading way too much into an old book. They had some cubensis substrates in total darkness except for once a day taking a photograph with flash. When they pinned, it was incorrectly 'assumed' the milliseconds of flash each day is what triggered the pinning. The fact is, they'll pin and grow in total darkness, just not well. Pinning performance and growing to full potential is best achieved with bright light in the 'daylight' range, 6500K or so. RR
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I would listen to RR. That man knows whats up.
otherwise, imho.. you are making something simple into something far too difficult. make it easier on yourself and take the advice that is given to you! no reason to be stubborn :p
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Ok thanks for the light information. I use the same light mixture in the pick for growing bud so dont see a reason to replace it maybe make it stronger is all.
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MagicBoomer said: Ok thanks for the light information. I use the same light mixture in the pick for growing bud so dont see a reason to replace it maybe make it stronger is all.
Fungi have nothing in common with plants.
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: PussyFart]
#18951867 - 10/08/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No but light has to do with spectrums and nms, the sun has certien number for each color. so if you want REAL light your gonna match the suns spectrum.... sense the lights work on plants(threw photosynthesis) proves its releasing the right spectrum and nms as the sun. Giving me real light is what im saying.
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 And why would you need 2 accounts? the engineer and the boomer? registered the same day, same unnecessary devices etc. You even post in the same posts with both accounts..
Wow, that's nuts man...........schizophrenic folks should NOT have mushrooms please step away slowly!
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: SynKyd]
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lol different people i know him though.
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Iv decided to add some air tubing around the tank to enhance fae and continue my cakes. Right now im designing my next step iso agar wild bird seed grain to grain monotub.
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MagicBoomer said: Iv decided to add some air tubing around the tank to enhance fae and continue my cakes. Right now im designing my next step iso agar wild bird seed grain to grain monotub.
Not me Magic Engineer is an experienced grower but people can work on things together out side of this site
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MagicBoomer said: Iv decided to add some air tubing around the tank to enhance fae and continue my cakes. Right now im designing my next step iso agar wild bird seed grain to grain monotub.
Post pics, please.
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: Me_Roy]
#18953424 - 10/09/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Will do for the tank i have now im gonna connect four tubes to close to the verm level of the tank ill take pics of that. And next couple checks ill have picks of the monotub or two(might hit the grocery store up for some edible mushies to clone.) Pictures as well when ready.
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I'd go with at least eight tubes if I were you.
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: Me_Roy]
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Even with the 2 bubble stones on the lenght of the bottom?
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: Me_Roy]
#18953447 - 10/09/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good point. Split the difference?
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: Me_Roy]
#18953455 - 10/09/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also is right above the verm level the best places i can the end of the tubes? will it help Fae more in a different spot? or basically the same?
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MagicBoomer said: Even with the 2 bubble stones on the lenght of the bottom?
Theory works on the total displacement of air per minute of the pump not how big or small the air stone is or number of tubes better have a big ass fish tank pump or 2
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Yeah im doing more then one pump one controls the fish bubbler stones and the other doing tubes. maybe find another one laying around so i can run 3 total.
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Im assuming more will come out of the tubes because they dont have to go threw the bubblers and clime to the top?
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: Me_Roy]
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B_BOY
Phuck Ewe



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who wants a FIST TANK anyways
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MagicBoomer
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Re: Glowbox 5000 fist tank [Re: B_BOY]
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Why wouldnt you use what you have around the house its practical people grow in milk cartons... im pretty sure a fish tank is a step up.
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MagicBoomer
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Not to mention my cakes are doing well so i dont see any reason why i would quit now
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TrentBoyett
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why don't you just go buy a tub for $8 at walmart that will work 100 times better?
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B_BOY
Phuck Ewe



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well it says FIST tank not FISH and fish tanks stopped being used years ago
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RogerRabbit
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This thread has been closed.
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RogerRabbit said: Don't bump your own thread within 24 hours please. Compose your thoughts and then put them down all at once, not every few minutes. RR
When a member of staff gives a gentle warning about the rules, one would be wise to heed it. Don't post again until you've read the Mushroom Cultivation Rules Thread and PMd me a copy to let me know you have. Thanks. RR
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