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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18948397 - 10/08/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pretty sure he does mention  Tai Chi / Qi Qong.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18948411 - 10/08/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lee was trained in Wu Tai Chi Chuan (also known as Ng-ga) and Jing Mo Tam Tui for the twelve sets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee






That's most likely where he got this philosophy from :

"Be formless ... shapeless, like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You pour water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put water into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow, or creep or drip or crash! Be water, my friend ..."

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Bruce Lee's meditation technique is referred to as the qigong, otherwise called chi kung, which revolves around the concept of the chi, which is believed to be the universal energy, or what Bruce Lee calls the "life force." In meditation, chi is spread in every part of the body through breathing exercises and slow graceful movements involving the entire body, thus giving inner strength and developing mental concentration.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/way_5184514_bruce-lee-meditation-technique.html#ixzz2h8Yg3fAZ






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Tai chi is different from most other forms of movement and exercise because it’s a way to work directly with one’s qi, or life force.

http://www.beginnerstaichi.com/what-is-tai-chi-for-beginners.html







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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18948424 - 10/08/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Op, if dark matter is immeasurable then how can we determine what percent of the universe it comprises? 

Can you tell me how much chi you can produce directly based on indirect evidence? 

As stated earlier giving yourself goosebumps is not an indirect effect of "chi".  When you think of eating a lemon your mouth waters.  pavlov put that end of your debate to rest yeaaars ago.

Now you're trying to connect chi and dark matter, which is rather farfetched. 

now, since chi is life energy as you describe it, then matter itself is chi, because energy=matter.  it is never destroyed.  so in effect, with that logic we can measure chi.  as in, I way 145 pounds.  matter is energy so I am 145 pounds of pure chi. 

the problem with this is that it all becomes explainable by science, it can be measured and so, it loses the spiritual aspect of chi. 

Logical fallacy at it's best.  you have no valid argument and have yet to convince anyone of anything. 

your indirect evidence is merely a sheep in wolfs clothing, completely ridiculous and pointless.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18948457 - 10/08/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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As stated earlier giving yourself goosebumps is not an indirect effect of "chi".  When you think of eating a lemon your mouth waters.  pavlov put that end of your debate to rest yeaaars ago.






Lol, there is no external force, it is being willed and are a product of channeling energy.

You quoted my questions but you didn't even attempt to answer them.

How do you know it's not indirect evidence of Qi, do you know what I'm feeling or what my brain is doing or anything else?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18948473 - 10/08/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't care if you admire me, what does that have to do with anything? rofl.

Don't you want fame with this video?

Everyone has chi, few notice it or work to increase it. Fewer still have any control over it.

Not sure what the difference between energy and chi is, probably communication barrier between East and West that makes people differ. Eastern traditions are mystical:

:tmckenna:

So there's nothing spiritual and supernatural about your energy, right?

I can whistle in two different ways and roll my tongue. You can raise hair on your arms. Both come from energy. Maybe a small article in Guinness World Record book if you raise and lower it 50 times in an hour. :shrug:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18948482 - 10/08/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

First I quoted no questions. get it.

secondly, yes, i do know what is happening to your body when you give yourself voosebumps and yes I am aware of what can happen in ones mind to stimulate such results. 

another member even posted a link describing the training.



so now I ask you, WHAT MAKES YOU IGNORE THE SCIENCE EVERYONE IS PRESENTING AND CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT HAVING SLIGHT CONTROL OVER AN AUTONOMOUS REACTION, which isn't ucommon, is still evidence of chi?


you ask us to answer your questions, and we have.  now grow up a bit and answer mine. 

Your idea that giving yourself goosebumps is a clear indicator of chi is about as logical as the saying the bible is irrefutable evidence of god.  it's not.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18948507 - 10/08/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Op, if dark matter is immeasurable then how can we determine what percent of the universe it comprises? 






They made up dark matter to make the equations work.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: AWS]
    #18948512 - 10/08/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm well aware.  but the fact remains that it is still measurable.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18948549 - 10/08/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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omegafaust said:
I'm well aware.  but the fact remains that it is still measurable.




No,it is hypothetical. How do you measure something hypothetical? It could turn out to be something else entirely.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: AWS]
    #18948563 - 10/08/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Turn out to be something else?  We don't fully understand it.  however we have given it a name.  our understanding of it may change, however we know it,( the something that makes up the parts of the model we're missing), is existent.

we can say that se know x % of the universe is known matter, but there is this x% that is missing and needs to be accounted for.  at that point we measured dark matter.  we do not know what all it may be comprised of, or the effevts it has or compostion even, but we have determined it is there and there is math to back it up. 

I see the connection OP is trying to make concerning dark matter and chi.

What I don't see is the connection between having control of an autonomous reaction and chi.  that is explained by science, and I suppose could be an example of energy transferrance.  But if that's the case then the spiritual aspect of chi is thrown under the bus..


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18948602 - 10/08/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP it looks like your trying to convince yourself more than anybody else. If one was able to harness and channel Chi wouldn't it be worthwhile to try and develop some new techniques instead of going in circles with a bunch of skeptics on the Internet.

If you seriously believe what your saying then this is a waste of time for you foremost. Go practice , come back in 10 years and let us know if you can channel your energy in another way besides raising a few hairs on your arm.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18948658 - 10/08/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
I find it funny that all of you guys think I'm trying to win some sort of prize, if anything it says way more about you than it does me.

You're trying to prove something to us and want us to admire you.





Liquid Lounge, Please stick to the topic and don't make this personal. Teknix's motivations aren't a proper topic for this forum.


Also, Orgone Conclusion: you should follow the same advice.  Some of your comments to teknix violate the rules.  Please stick to the subject.

Consider this a warning.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Withinity]
    #18948676 - 10/08/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Obviously you won't know of it's existence until you feel it, even if you see the evidence of it with your own two eyes. You try to make up some excuse as to why it can't be true, such is the power of your beliefs.



Oh for fuck's sakes. :wtfsonic:

I did not say it can't be true. I said that this is not objective evidence. I am agnostic in this because not enough actual evidence has been compiled to reach a correct conclusion.

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I don't want you to believe me, I want you to find out for yourself.

Maybe open your mind from the closed status from which is has attained, and broaden your horizons, because only you can do it.

No one will ever directly prove chi to you, you will have to prove it to yourself.




Then I suppose I will never believe in chi. Unless I am able to gather enough evidence to prove it to myself, which is far beyond what you have presented to us, then it would not be logical to do so.

My mind is open and willing to receive any evidence you present to me. I am just saying the evidence you presented means absolutely nothing without a lot more evidence to sustain it. Thinking anyone would take you seriously after posting a video or two of you giving yourself goosebumps is utterly asinine. If you want to play the science game, play by the rules.

close minded, nigga please.:nojustno:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18949846 - 10/08/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here is what our science is calling it:

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Autonomous sensory meridian response (ASMR) is a neologism for a perceptual phenomenon characterized as a distinct, pleasurable tingling sensation in the head, scalp, back, or peripheral regions of the body in response to visual, auditory, olfactory, and/or cognitive stimuli. The nature and classification of the ASMR phenomenon is controversial. Tom Stafford, a professor at the University of Sheffield, says, "It might well be a real thing, but it's inherently difficult to research."[1]

Jenn Allen, who founded the site asmr-research.org, explains that "autonomous" refers to the idiosyncrasy involved with people who experience ASMR, as the response varies from person to person, while "meridian" was used as a euphemism for orgasm.[2]

Online discussions by groups such as the Society of Sensationalists formed in 2008 on Yahoo! and The Unnamed Feeling blog created in 2010 by Andrew MacMuiris aimed to provide a community for learning more about the sensation by sharing ideas and personal experiences. Some alternative names for ASMR in these discussion groups included attention induced head orgasm, attention induced euphoria, and attention induced observant euphoria.[2]

Other phrases to describe the sensation refer to it as a "brain orgasm", "brain massage", "head tingle", "brain tingles", "head orgasm", "spine tingle", and "braingasm".[3][4][5][6][7]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_sensory_meridian_response





Some call it Qi and others call it Prana. Which both come in many forms.



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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18949885 - 10/08/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Type A episodes are elicited by the experiencer using no external stimuli, and are typically achieved by specific thought patterns unique to the individual.
http://www.asmr-research.org/





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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18949912 - 10/08/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I see nothing in that quote mentioning the willed transfer of energy through the body. Nothing about speeding up electrons and what not. Even so if your hypothesis is that this is what chi is then I strongly suggest you become a test subject and report the findings back here when they become available. Good luck!:grin:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18949926 - 10/08/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't worry, I'm sure our science will catch up to them as soon as I get a hold of them ^.^;

Wish me luck.



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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18949938 - 10/08/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I told them that it is Qi, and achieved through internal alchemy.

And that I might be willing to volunteer for studies.

It's funny how we've had evidence for qi all along, yet no one has been able to connect the dots.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18950120 - 10/08/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You guys can apply too if you want!:

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NOTE: We need control participants as well! If you do not experience ASMR, but would like to help with the quality and rigor of our experiments, please apply. You will participate in the same fashion as the ASMR-experiencing volunteers, and will greatly help our efforts.

http://www.asmr-research.org/






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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18950162 - 10/08/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm arguing for chi, you jelly or something?



:rofl:

OP, this thread and your answers continue to amaze me. By the looks of it I'm not the only one :lol:

Goosebumps. Goosebumps are your reason for bringing dark matter and energy and universal forces into this. Fantastic.

I spent the evenings of last week going to a Qi-Gong crash course, 3-4 hours a day for 6 days. I was simply curious. I'd say some of that stuff definitely works, because the master dude looks physically to be in his late 30s, but in fact has a daughter that's 28. Very healthy guy, lively, trained for decades in China, very knowledgeable about energy meridians, food, medicinal plants, breathing, meditative techniques, pressure points and traditional Chinese medicine. The man dedicated a large portion of his life to studying these ancient ways, and put in thousands of hours into their continuous practice. Given all this, he was extremely modest, spoke no more than he needed to, in order to get his points across or answer relevant questions asked of him. In a week of listening, not once did he strike me as being a show-off in any way, although he had significantly more reasons to do so, than goosebumps. No seeking of praise, no trying to convince you of anything you weren't curious to learn. Basically the exact opposite of what you're doing in this thread.

Goosebumps. Your goosebumps are so incredibly important, that even the most hardened skeptic must bow down to their power. Thread that reads like a tabloid. Wonder-Boy makes goosebumps on skin!!! Best evidence of Qi finally revealed!!!

Oh and one nice thing he mentioned, in Chinese medicine, one is considered healthy when one can maintain a content, positive mood with the attention focused inward. Clearly something you know very little about. This whole thread is one big noisy cry for praise and attention, over a ridiculous achievement on your part.

You haven't answered my question, what's next in your training? Goosebumps seem to have been a huge checkpoint for you, one warranting a very long thread. Now you've mastered goosebumps. What's next? Bigger goosebumps? Ear movements?


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