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Something new to argue about
    #1894920 - 09/08/03 05:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So what does everyone think of the bill Davis signed in CA about letting illegal aliens have driver licenses? Additionally, do you think it shows him to be a POS since he vetoed it twice in the past?

I think it is a horrible idea, and is against federal law myself. I also think he is only doing it to try to save his ass now.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: shakta]
    #1894925 - 09/08/03 05:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i think that's absurd.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: shakta]
    #1894970 - 09/08/03 05:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's pathetic. Not only that he'd sign that piece of shit bill, but that the legislators in that state voted for it to begin with.

Of course, many Californians are getting what they deserve for voting those jackasses in to begin with.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: shakta]
    #1895068 - 09/08/03 06:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Davis is an ass. This bill dovetails nicely with 'motor voter' laws and will help to get more illegals and other non-citizens to vote for government largess and those who promise it.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: shakta]
    #1895310 - 09/08/03 07:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

what a lot of you fail to recognize is that the immigrant
population in the state is the foundation upon which its
enormous agricultural and development industries thrive
off of.

they are not going to leave and we'll never be able to
stop them from coming over the border.

further, these people are going to be driving no matter
what , so why not give them the ability to get a license
so that they can drive legally, be taught the proper rules
of the road, gain the ability to be insured and pay the
appropriate registration fees and taxes?

now, davis surely is playing to the electorate in this case,
but, at the same time, this is NO prop 187, the benefits
alloted in this bill are far less sweeping in nature.



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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: afoaf]
    #1895378 - 09/08/03 07:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Illegals should get zero benefits, that includes medical care, food stamps, drivers licenses, and what have you.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1895522 - 09/08/03 08:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

when it largely benefits the legal population, I think
the benefit is a good idea.

licenses will lead to less uninsured, uneducated and
freeloading illegals on the roads.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: afoaf]
    #1895548 - 09/08/03 08:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

getting a driver's license doesn't require insurance or an education.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: afoaf]
    #1895649 - 09/08/03 09:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Ummmm, no. Throw them out unless they are here legally. Put enough border guards along the border to see that none make it back in.

If they can't be bothered coming here legally, they shouldn't be here at all.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1895687 - 09/08/03 09:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

we both know that approach hasn't worked for
the last 50 years...

mushmaster, you are wrong.

getting a driver's license requires proof of insurance
in california and it also requires taking both a written
test as well as a driving test.

thus, insured and educated driver.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: afoaf]
    #1895701 - 09/08/03 09:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It hasn't worked because this country has NEVER been serious about it. Now you'd never get them all but you'd get most.

As for having insurance to get a license.... all they'd have to do is cancel it after.

You do not reward illegal aliens.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1895726 - 09/08/03 09:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

never been serious about it?

how do you figure?


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: afoaf]
    #1895780 - 09/08/03 10:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quadruple the size of the border patrol.

Stop winking at those who employ illegals.

Deny them medical care and any other benefits.

Make Enlish the only language possible to do federal business.

Encourage the states to do the same.

That would be getting serious.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: afoaf]
    #1895848 - 09/08/03 10:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A family friend works for the border patrol. He observed school buses going to the border crossing everyday and picking up Mexican children to take them to school (an American Public school). He reported it to his superiors and to the local school officials, NOBODY DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. The schools are paid per student, they don't want this to be reported, to the local politicians handouts (even to illegals) mean votes - yes that's right, illegal aliens can and do vote in this State, poll workers cannot ask for ID. Local police are prevented BY POLICY from checking on the legal status of Mexican Nationals that they detain.

There was an article in The Reader's Digest a few years back about this. The person I know was specifically named as a source.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: Autonomous]
    #1896030 - 09/08/03 11:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

interesting.

I'm from san diego originally.

growing up there, it just seemed to be
an insurmountable problem.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: afoaf]
    #1897585 - 09/09/03 11:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Here is what I think should be done. First we should militarize the fucking borders, and make is a federal issue instead of relying on the states to pay for it. Build a fucking electrified fence or something. Basically we should do whatever it takes to close the damn borders.

Once that is accomplished we can grant amnesty to the illegals in the country and force them to register. We can then send all the criminals among them back to were they came from. Anyone that is found later to not have registered gets kicked out permanently.

After all this is accomplished, we need to force the INS to do its job. We also need to force the states to abide by the federal immigration laws. If they don't, they don't get federal funds.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: shakta]
    #1897597 - 09/09/03 11:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

U.S. law forbids the American military from operating on U.S. soil, except in support of a civilian agency or under a special emergency.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897604 - 09/09/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What about the Constitution? Doesn't it say that defending the borders is the purpose of the military? Use the fucking National Guard for christ sakes!


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: shakta]
    #1897612 - 09/09/03 11:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't make the law. Complain to your representatives.


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Re: Something new to argue about [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1897619 - 09/09/03 11:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It is going to take a lot of that to make a difference. This pandering to the Hispanic vote at the detriment to our country makes me sick. Both parties do it, and unless we stand up to them as a nation this problem will only get worse.


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