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krypto2000
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Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance.
#18948946 - 10/08/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm trying to understand how airborne spores work in g eneral and through research on the forums I get conflicting information. I've read that humans put out more spores and bacteria than most anything else can and thus it doesn't matter. If you have clean spawn and properly pasturized substrate it shouldn't matter, etc. However if this is the case why is it almost universally said that a contaminanted substrate, be it cakes or bulk, can contaminante future grows? It seems to contradict the former. If the later is true how long can you expect an area to be 'contaminanted' as opposed to a 'normal' spore load? How would you manage it, will opening the windows and letting the room air out suffice or would you actually have to clean everything in the room? If the former then could you reasonable expect to spawn healthy spawn to pasturized sub near a heavy spore load, say an open contaminated fruiting chamber even, and have it remain uncontaminated? What's true?
Edited by krypto2000 (10/08/13 10:37 AM)
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: krypto2000]
#18949143 - 10/08/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it has to do with the ambient load of trich, or other spores in your home. Trich spores are sticky so they'll keep the PPM of trich spores in your house above some average baseline for some time. Like if you have black mold in your bathroom. Effectively you wouldn't be as clean in other rooms because some of those spores are going to hang out, thus you're radiating more contaminates as you go. I wonder if it would be similar enough to radiation spread to relate it to that.
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: bodhisatta]
#18949170 - 10/08/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they're sticky then I feel the ambient load wouldn't matter so much as they'll mostly be on the walls and floor as opposed to in the air. It's like tossing flour in the air, no matter how much you throw around the room within a day or so there will be about as much airborne flower as there was before any was tossed, you'll just have a lot more all over the surfaces of the area though. Is that how spores tend to behave as well?
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: krypto2000]
#18949188 - 10/08/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're going to be upsetting the relative balance of trich to other contamination in the air. Also the walls of your house and fibers of your clothes are not saturated necessarily. If you live in a moldy home and go into a clean home I would be you radiate more contamination than the regular inhabitants. If you let a trich infection go bad perhaps it saturates your home and clothes more.
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: bodhisatta]
#18949275 - 10/08/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I could see that to some extent, but we keep our clothes clean and in a drawer or closet I would hope. I'd imagine anything like carpet or curtains wouldn't be affected too much, I doubt they have a 'regular' balance since they change so often and don't particularly offer much in the way of growth. That would seem like talking of regular growth on the door mat, it changes too much and too randomly for there to be much.
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: krypto2000]
#18949283 - 10/08/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's because nothing we do is actually ever sterile. Just close enough to work. So if you increase the sporeload in your house, you increase the chances that a few spores get through your PC or pasteurization (cause nature finds a damn way) and cause problems later.
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: krypto2000]
#18949292 - 10/08/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well back to working on growing them. It's a small issue of procedure. It's throwing out a bad block. Even if it didn't hurt future grows I would still want it thrown out any way. Who want's a couple of mushrooms from a source covered in mold even if the myc doesn't carry over toxins it's still not worth it. There's common sense behind trowing out contaminated media regardless of spore-loading your home.
It's always easier to clean less of a mess. Also, It's definitely not helping your probability even if it doesn't "spore-load" your home per se.
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: bodhisatta]
#18949305 - 10/08/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Next time I get the Flu I'll come over. You should already have influenza everywhere in your home it's ambiently dirty.
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: bodhisatta]
#18949335 - 10/08/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The flu in a virus, they can't survive outside of the human body for an appreciable amount of time, so no, it's not all over anyones house unless perhaps you have the flu.
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: krypto2000]
#18949376 - 10/08/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Flu goes up to two days on hard surfaces even longer on some like stainless and some plastics. Either way then it follows that bacteria and molds which can survive longer would pile up in your home until you cleaned it to the point at which there's just ambient amounts.
Like spilling cool-aid on your floor. You wipe it up with a towel which gets rid of most of it like an alcohol wipe would do to bacteria. There's still some left evenly spread around as a thin film but it's much less transferable to other areas of your home than if you didn't wipe it up at all.
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Re: Help me get an understanding of contaminant spore load/importance. [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18949385 - 10/08/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
36fuckin5 said: It's because nothing we do is actually ever sterile. Just close enough to work. So if you increase the sporeload in your house, you increase the chances that a few spores get through your PC or pasteurization (cause nature finds a damn way) and cause problems later.

But I have blown up my grow area with trich and various other green molds multiple times and still grow with great success. It just requires that I am extra careful with my sterile media, bulk pasteurization procedures, and fruiting conditions.
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