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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #18945580 - 10/07/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How many of those Americans would rather there be single-payer coverage instead?  You would be surprised how much it skews the results.





ACA is based on the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL "Mittens care" in MASS, people and businesses like it and it works.



No they don't and Massachusetts is a commie state.  Why should Kansas have to have this if they don't want it.  That is why we have states.  So that they can govern themselves regarding shit like this.  This is a massive intrusion on states' rights.  And you know what?  Some states are saying, "fuck you we aren't cooperating".  What now, bitches?


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18945588 - 10/07/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18945625 - 10/07/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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IF STATES DON'T LIKE THE PPACA THEY CAN REPLACE IT WITH THEIR OWN PROGRAM THAT COVERS THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WITH THE SAME AFFORDABILITY STARTING IN 2017.  WITH WAIVER APPLICATIONS STARTING IN 2014

What don't you fucking get about this?



From your link

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Specifically, State Innovation Waivers are designed to allow States to implement policies that differ from the new law so long as they:

    Provide coverage that is at least as comprehensive as the coverage offered through Exchanges – a new competitive, private health insurance marketplace.
    Make coverage at least as affordable as it would have been through the Exchanges.
    Provide coverage to at least as many residents as the Affordable Care Act would have provided.
    Do not increase the Federal deficit.





Point of a gun.

Really, it is time for you to slink off in disgrace.  You are not just embarrassing yourself but at this point you are embarrassing the entire forum.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18945636 - 10/07/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What the fuck are you talking about?

If states can do it cheaper and better, then they will be allowed to.  What seems to be the problem?


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18945651 - 10/07/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:rofl2:  As long as they exceed the requirements of BumCare they can do what they want.  What if they want to do less than BumCare?  Point of a gun.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18945695 - 10/07/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I fail to see the issue here.  It sounds like you want poor people to be bankrupt by healthcare costs to me.  What the fuck is your problem?


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18945853 - 10/07/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We had a perfectly adequate program for poor people that this does not improve.  I paid almost 5% of my income to fund it every year.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18945858 - 10/07/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The working poor don't necessarily qualify for Medicaid, and are the most vulnerable to going bankrupt due to medical costs.

If you don't like government and social services, I hear Somalia is a pretty nice place. 


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18945902 - 10/07/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
The working poor don't necessarily qualify for Medicaid, and are the most vulnerable to going bankrupt due to medical costs.

If you don't like government and social services, I hear Somalia is a pretty nice place. 




Another ridiculous distraction.  Whenever these commies get caught with their Kollectivist pants down they accuse us of being anarchists.  There are legitimate functions of government.  Usurping the health insurance choices of the entire population is not a legitimate function of the federal government.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18945918 - 10/07/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In your opinion.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18946018 - 10/07/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mine and several million others.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18946315 - 10/07/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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We had a perfectly adequate program for poor people that this does not improve.  I paid almost 5% of my income to fund it every year.




That's why we have so many people w/o insurance, people are denied coverage, dropped policies, people who lost  everything because they got sick.

And on top of that I bet you call yourself a fuck'n Christian.

LAW OF THE LAND


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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #18946368 - 10/07/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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We had a perfectly adequate program for poor people that this does not improve.  I paid almost 5% of my income to fund it every year.




That's why we have so many people w/o insurance, people are denied coverage, dropped policies, people who lost  everything because they got sick.


  I lost my policy because of Bumcare.  They didn't drop me through three cancers but now it's gone because of government.  Gone as of 12/31/13.
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And on top of that I bet you call yourself a fuck'n Christian.




I'm an atheist but you got a beef with Christians?  Bigot?
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LAW OF THE LAND




CHANGE IS A COMING!  How come Obama gets to change it?  Nether of you two will answer that.  You like dictaters.  I deliberately misspelled that 'cause I think you both swallow dick taters as long as they are Obama's dick taters.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18947298 - 10/07/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
The working poor don't necessarily qualify for Medicaid, and are the most vulnerable to going bankrupt due to medical costs.






Your argument is specious, to say the least, you realize that?  Think of this:  If the work poor don't qualify, and they don't have the money to pay for medical care, they can't go bankrupt because they DON'T OWN or HAVE ANY ASSETS. 

Who goes bankrupt from medical expaneses is middle.upper/middle class who have assets and money, if they don't have adequate coverage.  NOT the poor. 

The reason is, if a person has little or no money or assets, it costs more money to sue them in court than they will get back from the poor person.


Now, come on Mush, join the team, line up for the big win.  I know you are well intentioned, and want to help the poor but listen, and listen very carefully:

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.  Don't buy their fucking bullshit that they can do it better and stick a golden tit in your mouth and you don't have to worry about anything. 

The Golden Teat the government sticks in your mouth turns out in the end to be a rusty dog chain to keep you under control.

"Gratitude is for dogs"  Quote by Joseph Stalin.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #18947497 - 10/07/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Obamacare is a scam to benefit the insurance industry plain and simple. Even if your for universal healthcare it's a very corrupt way of approaching it.

Government programs never fail and are removed. They continue regardless of how horrible they are. I don't entirely agree with the republicans approach at removing it and think it will likely backfire but I don't understand how anyone can support the ACA unless they've been reading way to many articles on huffingtonpost.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mycjunky]
    #18947577 - 10/07/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The PPACA was the comprimise to the Right over universal coverage.  We wanted single-payer.  We got Obamacare instead.

Why is now the defunding of Obamacare step one in negotiations again?  How far does the Left have to bend in order to appease the right-wing radical Tea party?


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    #18948141 - 10/08/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #18948370 - 10/08/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm an atheist but you got a beef with Christians?  Bigot?




Sure, I hate right wing Christians that profess and quote the teachings of Jesus yet could care less about the poor in this country.

And I think its fitting that the people of the 'Religious Red South' are the poorest, fattiest, stupidest, and have worst healthcare in this country which makes them almost a third world country.

Keep'm Dumb, Fat, and Poor, but feed the religion.

Republican Religious Hypocrites


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Imperfect Iam] * 1
    #18948620 - 10/08/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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cc1 said:
Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.




The Dems never wanted universal health care, who do you think wrote Obama Care?  The health care lobbyists!!

Obama Care is the corporate takeover of health care, both parties are in on it, universal care would have been the solution, but that means non-profit.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: qman]
    #18948729 - 10/08/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes universal health care would be great but the pubs will never let it happen. Both Parties are corrupt but if we had a pub in there I do beleive we would be in a way worse situation then we are now! That being said though things are pretty shitty everywhere right now. I really don't beleive we live in a FREE country but then again I wouldn't want to be anywhere else except maybe Canada but its to fucking cold up there!


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