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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18946654 - 10/07/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That gif made me :lol:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18946660 - 10/07/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Bruce Lee's meditation technique is referred to as the qigong, otherwise called chi kung, which revolves around the concept of the chi, which is believed to be the universal energy, or what Bruce Lee calls the "life force." In meditation, chi is spread in every part of the body through breathing exercises and slow graceful movements involving the entire body, thus giving inner strength and developing mental concentration.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/way_5184514_bruce-lee-meditation-technique.html#ixzz2h5pecPYS





Here are some more realistic examples:





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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18946680 - 10/07/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18946697 - 10/07/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Chi would probably be best described as universal energy

Or maybe it could even described as Dark Energy and or Dark Matter.

I mean if our body's evolved in this universe and Dark Energy and Dark Matter has been there all along, maybe our body's have found a way to incorporate it.


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In physical cosmology and astronomy, dark energy is a hypothetical form of energy that permeates all of space and tends to accelerate the expansion of the universe.[1] Dark energy is the most accepted hypothesis to explain observations since the 1990s that indicate that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. According to the Planck mission team, and based on the standard model of cosmology, the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy





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In astronomy and cosmology, dark matter is a type of matter hypothesized to account for a large part of the total mass in the universe. Dark matter cannot be seen directly with telescopes; evidently it neither emits nor absorbs light or other electromagnetic radiation at any significant level.[1] Instead, its existence and properties are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, radiation, and the large-scale structure of the universe. According to the Planck mission team, and based on the standard model of cosmology, the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy.[2][3] Thus, dark matter is estimated to constitute 84.5% of the total matter in the universe and 26.8% of the total content of the universe.





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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18946723 - 10/07/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think dark energy never existed until it was discovered a few years back.  :laugh:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
    #18946734 - 10/07/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, the earth was flat for the longest time, dontcha know.

Somehow it turned into a sphere at some point. :shrug:

:matrix2:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18946807 - 10/07/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:
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Bruce Lee's meditation technique is referred to as the qigong, otherwise called chi kung, which revolves around the concept of the chi, which is believed to be the universal energy, or what Bruce Lee calls the "life force." In meditation, chi is spread in every part of the body through breathing exercises and slow graceful movements involving the entire body, thus giving inner strength and developing mental concentration.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/way_5184514_bruce-lee-meditation-technique.html#ixzz2h5pecPYS





Here are some more realistic examples:








Here are some more realistic examples:

:orly:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18946835 - 10/07/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Some of us are evolving bro, get with the program.

:yarly:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18946839 - 10/07/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, the earth was flat for the longest time, dontcha know.

Somehow it turned into a sphere at some point. :shrug:

:matrix2:





True, it's amazing how things change, maybe next it will be "dark it doesn't matter". :nicesmile:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
    #18946953 - 10/07/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This thread went in a big circle. What makes it so hard to understand that making goosebumps on your arm is not necessarily evidence for chi? If there are a multitude of logical explanations that could be causing this, then you need to narrow it down. It's really really simple. :shrug:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18947191 - 10/07/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What makes it so hard to understand that you don't need direct evidence to have evidence? Indirect evidence is found with inductive reasoning skills.

Qi is akin to dark matter and dark energy, not hard to understand.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18947307 - 10/07/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What makes it so hard to understand that you don't need direct evidence to have evidence? Indirect evidence is found with inductive reasoning skills.

Qi is akin to dark matter and dark energy, not hard to understand.




I understand that perfectly well, but to automatically assume that chi is responsible for this phenomena when faced with plenty of alternative possibilities is illogical. You do not know if you have evidence, period. What you have is a hypothesis at best.

Even if you were to claim indirect evidence, it carries no weight until and unless you combine it with other evidence to arrive at an answer or construct an argument for your conclusion.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18947421 - 10/07/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously you won't know of it's existence until you feel it, even if you see the evidence of it with your own two eyes. You try to make up some excuse as to why it can't be true, such is the power of your beliefs.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18947427 - 10/07/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't want you to believe me, I want you to find out for yourself.

Maybe open your mind from the closed status from which is has attained, and broaden your horizons, because only you can do it.

No one will ever directly prove chi to you, you will have to prove it to yourself.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18947962 - 10/08/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Some of us are evolving bro, get with the program.

:yarly:




Quoting this for posterity.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18948024 - 10/08/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I find it funny that all of you guys think I'm trying to win some sort of prize, if anything it says way more about you than it does me.

You're trying to prove something to us and want us to admire you.

So who wants to answer how dark matter and dark energy is detectable, if not by direct evidence then how?

In Chinese, Qi (pronounced β€œChi”) means breath air, as well as life force energy.

Chi to be described by me would be a willful acceleration of electrons in the body to a higher energy state. (Ionization)


Is there something spiritual about your powers?

Chi:

The vital force believed in Taoism and other Chinese thought to be inherent in all things. The unimpeded circulation of chi and a balance of its negative and positive forms in the body are held to be essential to good health in traditional Chinese medicine.

This is the correct definition, you can look up the definition in other dictionaries as well, it won't differ much.

Chi is simply energy, it's frequently translated "natural energy". There's nothing to prove here unless you claim to have spiritual and supernatural powers?

I just ate breakfast, this will provide me chi / energy.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18948076 - 10/08/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
I find it funny that all of you guys think I'm trying to win some sort of prize, if anything it says way more about you than it does me.

You're trying to prove something to us and want us to admire you.

So who wants to answer how dark matter and dark energy is detectable, if not by direct evidence then how?

In Chinese, Qi (pronounced β€œChi”) means breath air, as well as life force energy.

Chi to be described by me would be a willful acceleration of electrons in the body to a higher energy state. (Ionization)


Is there something spiritual about your powers?

Chi:

The vital force believed in Taoism and other Chinese thought to be inherent in all things. The unimpeded circulation of chi and a balance of its negative and positive forms in the body are held to be essential to good health in traditional Chinese medicine.

This is the correct definition, you can look up the definition in other dictionaries as well, it won't differ much.

Chi is simply energy, it's frequently translated "natural energy". There's nothing to prove here unless you claim to have spiritual and supernatural powers?

I just ate breakfast, this will provide me chi / energy.




Of course it will, but your chi is likely to be impeded, and not flow properly without practice. I don't care if you admire me, what does that have to do with anything? rofl.

Everyone has chi, few notice it or work to increase it. Fewer still have any control over it.

I love how you guys try to think what I must be thinking, get over yourself, I doubt you have psychic abilities to know what I'm thinking.

:lol:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18948097 - 10/08/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:

I love how you guys try to think what I must be thinking, get over yourself, I doubt you have psychic abilities to know what I'm thinking.

:lol:




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teknix said:
Some of us are evolving bro, get with the program.

:yarly:




Quoting this for posterity.




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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18948188 - 10/08/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:
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Bruce Lee's meditation technique is referred to as the qigong, otherwise called chi kung, which revolves around the concept of the chi, which is believed to be the universal energy, or what Bruce Lee calls the "life force." In meditation, chi is spread in every part of the body through breathing exercises and slow graceful movements involving the entire body, thus giving inner strength and developing mental concentration.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/way_5184514_bruce-lee-meditation-technique.html#ixzz2h5pecPYS





Here are some more realistic examples:








If Bruce Lee had so much chi why did he work out constantly?
I'm skeptical that he practiced Qigong or ChiKung since he doesn't mention them in his book, or in his notes.

It's almost as if he knew you needed real technique and athleticism to succeed in the martial arts.
I love when guys from internal styles come out to spar. They usually have no idea how to fight.:shrug:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Heffy]
    #18948230 - 10/08/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Bruce trained like a mo fo with constant sparing and weight training.  The spiritual stuff was for the audience who needed a magical carrot. (got to pay the bills and get famous you know)  Very few if any of them got anywhere with that practice.


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