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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18943512 - 10/07/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deviate said: the problem with discussing mysticism with non believers is how incredibly ignorant they tend to be. the experience is like if you were a scientist and an atheist and you went to an evolution forum wishing to discuss evolution and you were met with nothing but a bunch of young earth creationists who do nothing but arrogantly ridicule your ideas about evolution.
can you see how that would be dissapionting?
I thought you said true happiness doesn't come from the world. Whether this thread was filled completely with Christians, or completely with atheists, shouldn't matter to your overall happiness, right?
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18943805 - 10/07/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Saul called Paul of Tarsus
For sure one of the worse things to ever befall Christianity. Beware of the zealot convert.
If there is anything to get out of Christianity the Gnostics are the ones who got it imo.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: White Beard]
#18945370 - 10/07/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deviate said: the problem with discussing mysticism with non believers is how incredibly ignorant they tend to be. the experience is like if you were a scientist and an atheist and you went to an evolution forum wishing to discuss evolution and you were met with nothing but a bunch of young earth creationists who do nothing but arrogantly ridicule your ideas about evolution.
can you see how that would be dissapionting?
I thought you said true happiness doesn't come from the world. Whether this thread was filled completely with Christians, or completely with atheists, shouldn't matter to your overall happiness, right?
No, this is an incorrect understanding. First of all, that would only be the case assuming I were completely perfected in love and charity. But I am not completely perfected yet, so I still experience frustration/dissapointment, etc and that is perfectly ok. The idea is not to suppress your emotions, a Christian should feel no shame in his feelings even if they are contrary to the gospel.
But more importantly, being perfected in love and charity is not the same as indifference. It's not a cold detatchment devoid of emotion. For example, Jesus lamented his faithless generation, he felt compassion for them and said they were like lost sheep without a shepard.
The confusion comes from your wrong identification with your mind/emotions as your self. The Self awareness I am seeking, involves a realization of your identity as one with the eternal I AM consciousness which is ever unchanging. The experiencer never changes but the content of experience is constant change. THe confusion comes from the fact that you think your emotions are part of you whereas the computer screen is not Youre drawing the line in the wrong place. In actuality, the computer screen and your emotions are both part of the ever changing world, whereas the light of Christ, is ever beyond the world. That is why Jesus said that he had conquered the world. So Jesus could still lament and feel sad over atheists and sinners who don't understand the unlimited love and glory of God instead must suffer the many afflictions that life in the world brings. Yet even those his emotions might be of sadness, he would ever be aware of himself as one with God, one with unlimited peace, wisdom and bliss. So he could never feel sad or despair in the way an ordinary man does because his understanding of any situation is so far above that of an ordinary man.
Sometimes we do have to deal with emotions which are contrary to the gospel. for example, we are taught to love our neighbors. Well sometimes I run into someone I dont love. sometimes I even feel hatred for someone. By trying to suppress that feeling and pretend that I love the person when I really don't, is the wrong approach. The right approach is to behave charitably toward the person regardless of what I am feeling on the inside, reminding myself that despite that persons glaring imperfections, I am not perfect either, so who am I to judge? We are going to be judged according to the standard with which we judge the world. So if we can find it in our heart to forgive people, God will forgive us. Beautiful, right?
But perhaps more importantly, it is a wrong under
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18945389 - 10/07/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who are you to say how gods going to judge people? Other christians have a different take on this. And this is what I don't get.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Icelander]
#18945410 - 10/07/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Who are you to say how gods going to judge people? Other christians have a different take on this. And this is what I don't get.
The Bible says so. I don't know of any Christians who have a different take on this.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18945433 - 10/07/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're kidding right. Most christians I've met believe you have to accept jesus as your personal savior to be forgiven and accepted by god.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Icelander]
#18945475 - 10/07/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No I am not kidding. In the Bible, Jesus says that you will be judged by the standard with which you judge the world, that if you forgive others you will be forgiven but if you do not forgive others, your heavenly father will not forgive you.
I have never heard any Christian of any denomination deny this to be true.
Now whether you have to "accept Jesus" to ever heaven (can you clarify what you mean by that? It sounds pretty vague to me) is a separate issue. When Jesus said those words, he was speaking to believers, not atheists.
As a Catholic, my church teaches that anyone from any religion can be saved provided they lived a morally upright life and tried to follow God as best they knew how, which is what the Bible teaches (in the book of acts Peter says "I now see that God is no respector of persons but rather anyone from any nation who lives uprightly and in fear of Him is acceptable to Him). The Catholic Church also teaches that upon one's death, God makes a "final appeal" to them, so even someone who was a sinner their entire life, would be given one last chance to turn back to God and be saved.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18945549 - 10/07/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now whether you have to "accept Jesus" to ever heaven (can you clarify what you mean by that? It sounds pretty vague to me) is a separate issue. When Jesus said those words, he was speaking to believers, not atheists.
John 14:6
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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
The fundys interpret this to mean that one must accept jesus as ones personal savior to be forgiven and accepted by god. You're not going to tell me you are unaware of that? I grew up in the Baptist church so I know.
How do people receive this free gift of salvation?
The Bible says to repent (Luke 13:5). That means to be sorry for, and to turn away from, sinful habits. The King James Bible says: “If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” (Romans 10:9).
Born-again Christians are just people like you and me who have said with their mouth that they are now making Jesus Christ the Lord of their life. They also genuinely believe in their heart that God raised Him from the dead. According to the Bible, they are then saved.
What type of prayer do Christians pray to God when they become saved and born again? Something along the lines of what follows is enough — but you can make it personal by using your own words.
A guide to what to pray:
“Dear Father in Heaven, I realize that I am a sinner and need forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sin. I am willing to turn from my sins and lead the life you want me to lead. I now invite Jesus Christ to come into my heart and I receive Him into my life as my personal Savior. I am willing, by God's grace, to follow and obey Christ as the Lord of my life.”
Like I said what I don't get is if god is informing all the christians of what is true how come they don't agree?
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18945723 - 10/07/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because they have different minds and because of the human ego, pride and ignorance result in disputes and sectarianism. The Bible warns about that too.
There is one truth but different minds see it differently. None of the verses you posted actually say that a man must believe in Jesus. Some Christians might interpret it that way, but does the Bible actually say that? No. When Jesus said he was no one came to the Father but by Him, he didn't say that he was incapable of saving someone who didn't believe in him during their earth life. Jesus told his followers that he had been given all power in heaven and on earth. Assuming he was that powerful, I think it would clearly be within his ability to save someone who did not know him during their time on earth but never the less was a righteous and morally upright person.
So I don't really understand what you are confused about. Why should all Christians agree? It's not like the moment you call yourself a Christian, God comes down from heaven and corrects all your misunderstandings. No, being at a Christian is something you have to work at, very hard in fact. Overcoming the human ego and fallen consciousness is the greatest challenge of humanity. Merely calling oneself a Christian says nothing about how far along in this process one is. Perhaps it is the case that God is informing all Christians and all who reach a certain point on the path, do more or less agree. Alhough cant you see how being raised in a certain church which taught a particular version of the truth might cause one to continue believing in that version even if they were spiritually evolved enough to accept a deeper understanding?
You also need to remember that while we receive protection and assistance from God and his angels, there are demons who are enemies of the truth working against us. They are the reason that humanity has failed to progress further spiritually despite God's revelation of the truth to us. They will do everything in their power to confuse and deceive us, especially when it comes to religion. They promote heresies and disputes and the splitting of Christ's church into opposing factions.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18945935 - 10/07/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Christians should agree so they know what the fuck their talking about. It's the whole of the baptist sect and much more who believe that. It's not just a handful of people. This is a major point of contention in the religion and it's not a small matter when you are talking about salvation. If you're wrong and they're right you could be leading people towards damnation.
And I think it was you who said that just because it's not stated in the bible directly doesn't mean it's not true.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Icelander]
#18946093 - 10/07/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes and? As I said, demons introduce heresies and in an attempt to distort the truth and misguide people. My answer was an adequate response to you question.
As for me leading people to damnation, I highly doubt that. I am not telling people not to believe in Jesus. If anything, I am promoting more stringent requirements for salvation than the Baptists. I am saying, don't stop merely at accepting Jesus, but pursue virtue and righteousness. TDo your best to follow Christ's teachings in your own life instead of just expecting all your sins to be forgiven regardless of how much an effort you make to obey the commandments.
I've heard baptists argue that you should be so grateful for the gift of salvation that you will obey the commandments. Well guess what? I wasn't. I still wanted to sin even after believing in the gospel. Then baptists might say something like, then you didn't really believe enough or you weren't actually saved in the first place. Well then what was I supposed to do? I couldn't make myself believe more than I already did or make myself thankful enough not to sin when i really didn't feel that way. ALl I could do was pray to God for his grace and do my best to change my own behavior in the hope that God would see my effort and my cries and choose to have mercy on me. And that is exactly what the catholic church says to do, we are supposed to pray and do good works, not because we merit our own salvation, but because we merit grace when we do these things.
THe baptist position really does not make sense to me. They cant have it both ways, if the baptists are right, then you could go out killing people and still be saved, unless of course youre supposed to feel so thankful for your salvation that all of a sudden you love God and want to serve him. But then if you dont feel that way, maybe youre not actually saved, which destroys the whole assurance of salvation thing. So how they can preach assurance of salvation and at the same time say maybe youre not saved if youre still in sin? To me that is no different from the catholic position that we dont have assurance of salvation.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18946193 - 10/07/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah it's some crazy shit those fundies believe. I do like your approach better for sure. Really my only objections to religion are with the fundies usually. They try to control your trip and aren't satisfied to just do theirs. If you want to believe in jesus or buddha or santa it's no real skin off my nose unless you aim to try and force me and I don't see you doing that.
btw I ultimately forgive everyone for everything as I've stated several times here over the years. We didn't choose to be human and human nature includes some really poor behavior and we all do it. In the end we are all doing our best even if we don't manage it very well much of the time. I feel a lot of empathy for humanity actually. That doesn't keep me from getting pissed off at our shenanigans though.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Icelander]
#18947140 - 10/07/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that is why Jesus taught us to forgive. You're right that we really are doing our best, the majority of the time at least and people who do stupid and unkind things usually do them because they don't know any better or because of hurt and pain which they don't know how to deal with.
I'm not worried about trying to convince other people what to do believe, because the Bible says that our responsibility is only to warn other people about the Kingdom of God and the coming judgement which will separate the righteous from the wicked. We are also supposed to speak of the Glory of God and proclaim his salvation and his wondrous deeds. Praise the Lord.
Once we have done that, it's up to them to choose whether or not to believe it and whatever choice they make does not affect our ability to love God. Trying to force your beliefs on someone against their will, is against the will of God. If God wanted that person to believe something by force, he would make them believe it himself.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18947571 - 10/07/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bible says that our responsibility is only to warn other people about the Kingdom of God and the coming judgement which will separate the righteous from the wicked.
But aren't the "wicked" just misguided same as you and me and for the reasons you mentioned among others? And what is this separation? Why would god separate itself from itself? Isn't it the creator and everything part of everything else which is god?
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Icelander]
#18947717 - 10/08/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I pick the spaghetti god.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18947727 - 10/08/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deviate said: What makes you think that posting on the shroomery is incompatible with my greatest aspirations?
It's not posting on The Shroomery that's incompatible as much as the sense of persuading others to join your cause. I suspect the only gift you have is (as Ice might say selfishly) to work on yourself, and the other motives will be called out as phony, just as they have been. Create a space in yourself where others can do what they need to do.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Icelander]
#18948178 - 10/08/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: But aren't the "wicked" just misguided same as you and me and for the reasons you mentioned among others?
Indeed, the wicked are often misguided just like us which is why our Lord Jesus Christ instructed us to pray for them. In fact, if you recall he even prayed for the soldiers as they were crucifying him (forgive them father for they know not what they do). Do you see what a radical departure this is from the mindset most people have? Jesus Christ taught us to look at life from a radically different perspective, a complete overhaul of one's attitude is required in order to follow him and I find that extremely fascinating.
However, the excuse of being misguided doesn't mean the wicked don't have to experience the consequences of their actions. On the contrary, the fact that we experience the consequences of our actions is one of God's laws. Originally, before the fall of man, we didn't need to experience such severe consequences to what we did in order to learn, because we had a conscious connection to the Lord our God. However, because we decided to turn away from the Lord of Hosts and rebel against him like the devil and his angels, we lost that intimate connection with the Lord God and thus we entered the school of hard knocks. In the school of hard knocks, God will not always direct us what to do. Instead he lets us make our own choices, the only catch being that we must then experience the consequences of our choices.
I have made many mistakes in my life and as a result, I had to experience the consequences of my mistakes. From these experiences, I gradually learned about the laws of God (or as a secular person might put it, the reality of the world) and this knowledge began to empower me to make better decisions, decisions that are more in line with God's purpose and will. So if I had to experience the consequences of my actions, why should not the wicked also have to?
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And what is this separation?
Matthew 13:24-30:
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
The Parable of the Tares Explained
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! The Parable of the Hidden Treasure
Mathew 25-30: When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37 Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40 The King will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41 Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44 They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45 He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
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Why would god separate itself from itself? Isn't it the creator and everything part of everything else which is god?
Indeed everything is part of everything but as you can see, God has chosen to create individual beings out of himself and in the case of mankind he has chosen to entrust those individual beings with many of his own attributes (God made man in his own image), freedom among them. He also created a beautiful planet for these beings to inhabit and gave it to them. In this way, God gets to experience his own limitless eternal being from an infinite array of completely unique perspectives, as he plays hide and seek with himself through the eyes and hearts of his offspring, eventually rejoicing with them when they find their way to home Him.
However, you must remember that God is good. Although he desired for his creation to be free, he also desired for it to grow, yay even to flourish. He wished for his people to find happiness and meaning in their lives and to learn how to use his energy intelligent and beautiful ways. In fact, we can look at life as a grand opportunity to experiment with God's energy. Everything that we do, is a manipulation of one basic energy, which Christianity calls the Lord our God. Sin is a misuse of God's energy and so when we commit sin, we create an energetic vector which will find its way back to us as part of a natural process set in place by the Lord our God when he created the universe. The purpose of this kind of law was to ensure that evil would not overtake the world and his creation would not self destruct.
What is evil? It is that which is out of sync with the laws of God, the holy one of Israel. Lets take stealing for example. Lets assume that you planted an orchard and you harvested 100 bushels of golden delicious and 50 bushels of jonagold. Then in the night, while you slept exhausted from a long day of harvesting apples, I snuck into your orchard and stole all of your apples. Why is this wrong? because since I did not grow the apples myself, I do not deserve to have the apples. The reason for this is because if everyone just relied on stealing apples from each other to get their apples, before long there would no longer be any apples because someone needs to actually GROW apples in order for us to have apples. So illl gotten gains are evil because they are unsustainable, they lead to negative growth and destruction and instead peace and harmony.
So God gives us the freedom to experiment with evil and experience its pleasures and its consequences. However, he does not allow us to experiment with evil forever. He places a limit on it out of respect for the good.
Recall now that as you said, everyhing is part of everything or as the Catholic Church puts it, God is the "all in all". So from the knowledge that the Lord our God is fundamentally one, we can look at individual souls as extensions of the creator. In the second parable I gave you, Jesus affirms the oneness of all things by informing us that whatever we do to each other, we do to him.
Essenstially God designed his creation with self correction mechanisms in place. Those parts of himself which do not function in accordance with his laws (unrepentent evil doers) are removed and burnt up just as you would throw away a tool that wasn't working or fire a baby sitter who abused your children. God could in fact destroy us the moment we rebel against Him (indeed, the wages of sin is death), but because he is loving and merciful, he allows us many years to turn our lives around before the final judgment. He does not enjoy destroying evil doers but he would rather do that, then allow evil to reign forever. Some souls simply will not change their evil ways. When he comes to them at their death with his "final appeal" they are given the choice to enter his presence or depart into the lake of fire, where according to Jesus there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. These wicked souls would rather choose that option than expose themselves to the glorious presence of the almighty. The almighty then obliges.
If you were really a former Christian, how is it that you must ask questions like why God would separate sinners from the righteous? Perhaps you never truly understood Christianity and thats why it didn't seem to work for you. Honestly, your questions trouble me, as they indicate large gaps in your understanding of the Lord of heaven's armies and our relationship to Him.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said: No I am not kidding. In the Bible, Jesus says that you will be judged by the standard with which you judge the world, that if you forgive others you will be forgiven but if you do not forgive others, your heavenly father will not forgive you.
I have never heard any Christian of any denomination deny this to be true.
Now whether you have to "accept Jesus" to ever heaven (can you clarify what you mean by that? It sounds pretty vague to me) is a separate issue. When Jesus said those words, he was speaking to believers, not atheists.
As a Catholic, my church teaches that anyone from any religion can be saved provided they lived a morally upright life and tried to follow God as best they knew how, which is what the Bible teaches (in the book of acts Peter says "I now see that God is no respector of persons but rather anyone from any nation who lives uprightly and in fear of Him is acceptable to Him). The Catholic Church also teaches that upon one's death, God makes a "final appeal" to them, so even someone who was a sinner their entire life, would be given one last chance to turn back to God and be saved.
The bible also says gays go to hell for liking penis and slaves should obey their masters as they obey their god.
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Yogi1]
#18948195 - 10/08/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is it that you you think you must inform me of what the Bible says?
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Re: The only true happiness, is happiness in the Lord [Re: Deviate]
#18948255 - 10/08/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Be troubled all you want. I wanted to hear your answer to see if you are actually different than most other christians.
I think your god sucks frankly. "Their will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. "
I'll stick with having empathy for others and doing my best and trying not to pay evil with more evil.
But you knock yourself out if it floats your boat. Fortunately imo your views (if they can be called yours) are not in a majority here.
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Nor do I think the adherence to a organization with such a horrific history up to the present of atrocities is something that I think jesus would have any part of. Seriously. (Don't make me post the lists)
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (10/08/13 06:56 AM)
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