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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
    #18956870 - 10/09/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I take issue with the milk statement, personally. 

Unfortunately milk makes me break out, even raw milk.  I also can't seem to digest it, as I get diarrhea and cramping in my bowels. Meat however digests perfectly fine as long as I stop when my body tells me that's enough.  8 years without meat and I went back to it without a single bit of indigestion.  Whereas even a cup of raw or pasteurized milk will give me problems. 




I get the same problem (breaking out), even from raw milk, even from organic milk with no hormones used. I don't get diarrhea anymore, but when I was younger I was extremely lactose-intolerant and would have very painful abdominal cramps combined with violent diarrhea whenever I consumed milk.

I think the breaking out is due to a bad reaction to hormones that are inside milk. Many cows are given hormones, and those hormones cross the blood-brain-barrier which means that a significant amount would be transferred into the breast milk.

Even if the cow was raised under "organic" conditions and given no hormones, consider the fact that cows are milked while they are pregnant. Dairy farms always want to keep the cow pregnant, because it: A) Always keeps them producing milk, and B) Will add another calf into the family that they can either sell for meat or raise for more dairy. So even if it has not been given artificial hormones, the fact that they are kept in a constant state of pregnancy means they will be producing high amounts of hormones naturally, which then transfer to breast milk,.

I believe this is why some people, such as myself, have an adverse reaction to milk, and break out (quite badly I should also add) whenever they consume it.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Crystal G]
    #18957178 - 10/09/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd really be interested to see if you guys that can't handle milk or cheese at all, can do Kefir.. you should look into it.
I've talked to numerous people whose bodies cannot handle milk/cheese/ice cream at all, but CAN handle kefir due to all the enzymes and probiotic bacteria. There's a lot of positive health effects associated with it as well.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Shroomism]
    #18957302 - 10/09/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

that's some cool stuff. i think i'v seen before. never tried it.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Shroomism]
    #18957620 - 10/10/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What about yogurt, does that give you the same problem? Lots of people that can't do dairy, can do yogurt and kefir, because of the probiotics. you tried kefir?




I do love me some fermented foods!  My partner does goats milk kefir, but I haven't tried it yet as I have sworn off all dairy.  But maybe I'll try a sip sometime.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
    #18957636 - 10/10/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

After more then a week doing my own version of paleo...I am feeling so amazing.  My energy levels are truly soaring.  And I am only eating meat once a day.  Twice on rare days.  I still eat a plant-based diet, still lots of fruit and salads.  I want to model my diet after the great apes, who eat a large amount of greens, fruits if they can find them, insects, eggs, honey and meat if they can get it. 

It's the diet that makes the most sense to me, honestly. 

I really love the local idea of eating also...on my island food that is shipped in is hella expensive!!  I never felt good about eating grains/rice/quinoa shipped in to the island, felt very unsustainable not to mention that ANY grains give me almost unbearable inflammation (I can really feel the difference now that I cut them out).  I like how I can eat meat and have it be local, sustainable and healthy here in Hawaii, but it might not be that way in other states. 

I really should try some local wild-shot pig...haven't gotten into ham yet though.  Mostly fish and chicken, with occasional beef. 

REALLY digging the way I am feeling!!!  I can't stop working out, it's all I want to do now.  I have MISSED having energy like this!!


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Crystal G]
    #18957643 - 10/10/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MOTH said:
I take issue with the milk statement, personally. 

Unfortunately milk makes me break out, even raw milk.  I also can't seem to digest it, as I get diarrhea and cramping in my bowels. Meat however digests perfectly fine as long as I stop when my body tells me that's enough.  8 years without meat and I went back to it without a single bit of indigestion.  Whereas even a cup of raw or pasteurized milk will give me problems. 




I get the same problem (breaking out), even from raw milk, even from organic milk with no hormones used. I don't get diarrhea anymore, but when I was younger I was extremely lactose-intolerant and would have very painful abdominal cramps combined with violent diarrhea whenever I consumed milk.

I think the breaking out is due to a bad reaction to hormones that are inside milk. Many cows are given hormones, and those hormones cross the blood-brain-barrier which means that a significant amount would be transferred into the breast milk.

Even if the cow was raised under "organic" conditions and given no hormones, consider the fact that cows are milked while they are pregnant. Dairy farms always want to keep the cow pregnant, because it: A) Always keeps them producing milk, and B) Will add another calf into the family that they can either sell for meat or raise for more dairy. So even if it has not been given artificial hormones, the fact that they are kept in a constant state of pregnancy means they will be producing high amounts of hormones naturally, which then transfer to breast milk,.

I believe this is why some people, such as myself, have an adverse reaction to milk, and break out (quite badly I should also add) whenever they consume it.




That makes so much sense.

My partner drinks a quart a week of goat kefir and seems to do well on it.  I've just never liked dairy, even as a kid I just avoided it and my mom never pushed it on me.


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Shroomism]
    #18959031 - 10/10/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
I'd really be interested to see if you guys that can't handle milk or cheese at all, can do Kefir.. you should look into it.
I've talked to numerous people whose bodies cannot handle milk/cheese/ice cream at all, but CAN handle kefir due to all the enzymes and probiotic bacteria. There's a lot of positive health effects associated with it as well.




I can handle cheese just fine. I think when milk is fermented, it breaks down the primary lactose chain, so people who are lactose intolerant usually can handle cheese just fine.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
    #18962149 - 10/10/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I've been on this diet for 10 months. Feel a bit healthier. Lost 20kg.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #18962445 - 10/11/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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usulpsychonaut said:
Yeah I've been on this diet for 10 months. Feel a bit healthier. Lost 20kg.




Are you over weight?


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Magenta]
    #18967539 - 10/12/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

paleo diets are pretty awesome, i wish i could stick with one, i always find myself eating sugar or unnecessary carbs like bread


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18974037 - 10/13/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting to note:

I just finished "The road cyclists training bible" by Joe Friel. This book is considered the authority on competitive cycle training. It surprised me to see that Friel recommends a moderate paleo diet. Perhaps i'll look into it a bit further.

I was initially turned off because it seemed anti-fruit, anti-carb.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: PDU]
    #18976071 - 10/14/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

its definitely not anti-fruit, but it is low carb


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18976356 - 10/14/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm also skeptical of anybody who doesn't eat fruit.  I don't care what anybody says, fruit is good for you. Fruit is rich with antioxidants and vitamins. Somebody who eats too much fruit is probably going to live longer than somebody who eats too much meat.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Crystal G]
    #18976565 - 10/14/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Fucking love apples with peanut butter and pb and banana sandwiches, and strawberries. I could never give that shit up. Kiwi too


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Mescalean]
    #18976595 - 10/14/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I still LOVE fruit.  Love it.  And as an athlete or even just someone who exercises regularly, fruit and sweet potatoes are key.  You naturally eat lower carb when you cut out the processed carbs, including wheat. Fruit is a friendly carb.  As long as you don't eat too much of it!  (as a former fruitarian, I definitely know what "too much fruit" is...lol)   

Going on 2 weeks now with paleo and feeling AMAZING!  Yesterday I had pastured eggs, coconuts, some tangelos, a big salad with avocado, and fish with steamed broccoli.  Yummy.  I feel so well nourished and cravings are a thing of the past.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
    #18976621 - 10/14/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I like my wheat. Alot. Carbs =good for me


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Mescalean]
    #18976815 - 10/14/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am with my girlfriends family the past few days, and have eaten sooo many bread products, and feel like shit and it's fucked up my bowel movements.

Apparently 3 weeks is the minimum time limit that should be given before passing judgement on the efficacy of a change in diet.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
    #18977020 - 10/14/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MOTH said: 

Going on 2 weeks now with paleo and feeling AMAZING!  Yesterday I had pastured eggs, coconuts, some tangelos, a big salad with avocado, and fish with steamed broccoli.  Yummy.  I feel so well nourished and cravings are a thing of the past.




that does sound fucking awesome.


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
    #18992513 - 10/17/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MOTH said:
After more then a week doing my own version of paleo...I am feeling so amazing.  My energy levels are truly soaring.  And I am only eating meat once a day.  Twice on rare days.  I still eat a plant-based diet, still lots of fruit and salads.  I want to model my diet after the great apes, who eat a large amount of greens, fruits if they can find them, insects, eggs, honey and meat if they can get it. 

It's the diet that makes the most sense to me, honestly. 

I really love the local idea of eating also...on my island food that is shipped in is hella expensive!!  I never felt good about eating grains/rice/quinoa shipped in to the island, felt very unsustainable not to mention that ANY grains give me almost unbearable inflammation (I can really feel the difference now that I cut them out).  I like how I can eat meat and have it be local, sustainable and healthy here in Hawaii, but it might not be that way in other states. 

I really should try some local wild-shot pig...haven't gotten into ham yet though.  Mostly fish and chicken, with occasional beef. 

REALLY digging the way I am feeling!!!  I can't stop working out, it's all I want to do now.  I have MISSED having energy like this!!





I want to feel that way!!!

I don't know what I would do without at LEAST quinoa & oatmeal though.....


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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: yogabunny]
    #18992533 - 10/17/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just recently met someone who works out at crossfit and is into the paleo diet...

I hadn't heard of crossfit or the paleo diet before meeting them. Weird.


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