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Anyone do the paleo diet here?
#18947887 - 10/08/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm a long time mostly raw, whole foods vegan who (after health issues and terrible bloodwork from my doctor) has finally taken the plunge into eating meat again, for the long term.
It's been a week or two and I feel FANTASTIC!
I only eat fruit, coconuts, veggies, greens, tubers, eggs, meat and fish.
I really like organ meats like liver also, as I am extremely low in vitamin A and am trying to build my levels up again.
I probably eat too much fruit still (I was a straight up fruitarian for several years) but I still like it and I like to do a lot of cardio so fruit makes good fuel for biking and running. I've drastically cut back on it though...mostly just citrus.
I like 2-3 pastured eggs a day, usually hardboiled.
I do bone broths too, from chicken and fish bones. Love chicken bone broth. I tried a beef bone broth but I couldn't stomach it. Although I am finding I do enjoy a grassfed steak at least once or twice a week.
For fish I like wild salmon and sardines and shellfish, like mussels. LOVE mussels. I am wary of mercury in water so I am cautious about eating big fish. But I do love seafood.
I do a lot of kale and broccoli, and romaine salads. Olives sometimes.
Anyone else do paleo? How do YOU do it? What I like about it is how versatile it is. For me the KEY is getting high quality, fresh local grassfed and pastured animal products and making sure I get my fruits and veggies in too.
Oh, and I eat A LOT of coconut meat.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
#18947939 - 10/08/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, imagine that, eating a food source that gives you all the nutrients you need makes you feel better.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#18948183 - 10/08/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Paleo has been a pretty big trend here on the mainland for a while among the crossfit crew. There's websites galore with recipes abound. I'm interested in digging into it, but finding recipes online is annoying as each website seems to run slower than the last as their only revenue stream is incessant ads.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: memes]
#18948426 - 10/08/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't normally follow diets, but i really liked the principle that the paleo diet is based on; and 'the paleo solution' was very informative. I've been trying to follow it, and in fact i lost 3 kgs in a month. I'm not overweight, and wasn't trying to loose weight. I've slacked off recently and have been back into old (bad) habits for the last two weeks while out partying. I'm getting out of party mode again now though and will be resuming Paleo. I've been able to cut out grains very easily as i didn't eat a lot of grain foods previously. Pizza is my biggest grain food temptation, but it's not a problem. Dairy on the other hand is a completely different story. I love chocolate and ice cream and cows milk. Ice cream i can hold back on; and have even made my own from coconut milk a few times; but chocolate is pretty hard for me. I've bought vegan chocolate which is quite nice, and helps; but it's not as nice as ordinary dairy milk ect. Working on it though.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Magenta]
#18948717 - 10/08/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You know what, I was interested in it and gungho on it for a little bit, although I have since come to realize that it is a bit of fad diet which isn't based on much. It is a very loose idea which appeals to those of us trying to avoid the "necessary evils" of modern lifestyle.
Besides that I don't know the facts well enough to shoot the shit, but i've made up my mind that it's not for me.
That said, there are some great paleo baking recipes out there, and the paleo crowd seems to be alive and well on pinterest.
The only observation I can offer is: For long distance endurance running and cycling, I require grains and pasta.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: PDU]
#18949112 - 10/08/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: Yeah, imagine that, eating a food source that gives you all the nutrients you need makes you feel better.
I KNOW right?? I was into the veggie diets for so long I forgot what it felt like to feel good. And I was a healthful vegan/vegetarian too, logging everything in chronometer to see my macro and micronutrients, gluten free, only eating whole foods, etc. But there are some nutrients in animal products that are hard to get in plant foods. Like some people don't convert beta carotene into Vitamin A, for example, and that's why they fail to thrive as a vegan or vegetarian. I'm one of these people.
It was pretty hard for me to start eating animal foods again, but I was convinced when I started having fertility, skin, hair and bloodwork issues. I'm a mom and want to give my son and future children the best start they possibly can have, too. So putting my personal preferences aside, I decided to try my own version of paleo (I can't do low-carb yet).
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memes said: Paleo has been a pretty big trend here on the mainland for a while among the crossfit crew. There's websites galore with recipes abound. I'm interested in digging into it, but finding recipes online is annoying as each website seems to run slower than the last as their only revenue stream is incessant ads.
Yeah, I don't do recipes. I'm not really a recipe person. The most complex thing I do is chicken bone broth with chopped livers with kale and sweet potato. Easy. I only really get "fancy" like this at night. The rest of the day it's fruit, salad, eggs, coconut... and fish, if I have it or want it.
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knightron said: I don't normally follow diets, but i really liked the principle that the paleo diet is based on; and 'the paleo solution' was very informative. I've been trying to follow it, and in fact i lost 3 kgs in a month. I'm not overweight, and wasn't trying to loose weight. I've slacked off recently and have been back into old (bad) habits for the last two weeks while out partying. I'm getting out of party mode again now though and will be resuming Paleo. I've been able to cut out grains very easily as i didn't eat a lot of grain foods previously. Pizza is my biggest grain food temptation, but it's not a problem. Dairy on the other hand is a completely different story. I love chocolate and ice cream and cows milk. Ice cream i can hold back on; and have even made my own from coconut milk a few times; but chocolate is pretty hard for me. I've bought vegan chocolate which is quite nice, and helps; but it's not as nice as ordinary dairy milk ect. Working on it though.
Yeah, my whole body composition is changing!! I didn't need to lose any weight but my clothes are getting looser and my muscles more obvious! I thought for sure I would gain weight eating animal foods but so far the opposite thing is happening. Time will tell! I'm going to give it a solid month and reevaluate but I do feel pretty awesome nourishing myself this way.
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PDU said: You know what, I was interested in it and gungho on it for a little bit, although I have since come to realize that it is a bit of fad diet which isn't based on much. It is a very loose idea which appeals to those of us trying to avoid the "necessary evils" of modern lifestyle.
Besides that I don't know the facts well enough to shoot the shit, but i've made up my mind that it's not for me.
That said, there are some great paleo baking recipes out there, and the paleo crowd seems to be alive and well on pinterest.
The only observation I can offer is: For long distance endurance running and cycling, I require grains and pasta.
Yeah I know, that's why I still eat a lot of fruit, for fuel during cardio excursions. Or sweet potatoes. I can't do low carb yet. I also found out that grains (even gluten free ones!) were giving me horrible inflammation and irritating my skin! Since cutting out all grains I have stopped breaking out completely and my skin is so soft and smooth, it's crazy!! I never thought I would have good skin again! It was just getting worse and worse as a veggie. I'm so psyched to be healing my skin, it's a real confidence booster for me.
And I found the premise behind paleo pretty sound...and not fad at all, more ancestral. Have you ever heard of the Weston A Price foundation/Nourishing Traditions? I've read a lot of that research and that's what helped me make the leap into this way of eating. I've also been studying the diets of known hunter gatherer tribes who are in superior health and learning a lot!
So far so good...everything is an experiment of course. But I am very pleased. I love working out again! I love doing dishes! I finally have the energy I remember having from being way younger. It's pretty neat!
Paleo is VERY VERY flexible and versatile...I don't think any two people will do it the same way! That's why I like it. I think if people are just shoveling meat in constantly, especially if it's factory farmed, then paleo probably sucks. But a good balance of fruits and veggies with high quality meat and fish is yielding great results for me right now. I'm excited about it! The best part is that it's possible to eat 100% LOCAL if I eat paleo. I love that too.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
#18949500 - 10/08/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's an article written by a raw vegan who claims that vegan diets are insufficient without supplementation. He actually claims all diets are insufficient without supplementation and he chalks it up to the current state of the world and evolution: http://www.treeoflife.nu/DRCOUSENS/DRCOUSENSBLOG/tabid/364/language/en-US/~/Default.aspx?tabid=364&PostID=114&language=en-US
There are nutrients that can only be obtained from animal products, but from what I currently know, a diet that includes high quality meats is no more healthy than a diet that includes high quality milk products (fish oil isn't needed for DHA; DHA is found in the right milk products as well). In fact, the latter diet may be better because meat possesses inferior digestibility and negatively affects the bacterial aspect in one's body.
Eventually it may be possible to be completely vegan without using any animal products -- with the help of science. From the article above: "At this time, we don’t have a really good vegan source of vitamin A, but we’re in the process of developing one. What’s missing is a particular enzyme that converts beta-carotene into retinol."
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: s240779]
#18950209 - 10/08/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I take issue with the milk statement, personally.
Unfortunately milk makes me break out, even raw milk. I also can't seem to digest it, as I get diarrhea and cramping in my bowels. Meat however digests perfectly fine as long as I stop when my body tells me that's enough. 8 years without meat and I went back to it without a single bit of indigestion. Whereas even a cup of raw or pasteurized milk will give me problems.
At this point I'm listening 100% to my body.
Although my body might lead me back to a vegan diet at some point, I'm not discounting the possibility. During my reproductive years however, definitely not.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
#18950262 - 10/08/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've heard that the issue with milk are usually caused by the multitudes of bad problems with dairy production. Not even gonna go into that. You say you've had raw milk, but was it truly good quality and truly raw? In any case, I think that butter and whey are more important. Let's say even the best milk gives you issues. Still can't write off those two milk derivatives until you try them. Both are very nutritionally dense and they serve as sources for complete protein*, vitamin A, DHA, vitamin D, vitamin K2, etc.. *(not butter)
I wasn't talking about indigestion when I criticized meat's digestibility. I was talking about how it simply won't pass through the body anywhere near as quickly as, for example, a diet consisting largely of fruit and whey.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: s240779]
#18950303 - 10/08/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was able to visit the farm I got the milk from...they are right down the road. I live in Hawaii and the goats and cows at this particular farm are incredibly well cared for, feasting on beautiful green grass and fallen fruit year round. My body just doesn't like milk! Or any dairy. I don't know why that's hard to understand. We are all individuals and what works for one person will not work for all. I also don't care for butter, for the same reasons. (skin problems)
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: MOTH]
#18952830 - 10/09/13 04:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about yogurt, does that give you the same problem? Lots of people that can't do dairy, can do yogurt and kefir, because of the probiotics. you tried kefir?
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Shroomism]
#18956151 - 10/09/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i knew someone who went from fruititarian to a raw meat eater...
literally would only eat the freshest organic meat... raw.
what diet is that?
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18956211 - 10/09/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Basically a completely carnivorous paleolithic diet... not sure there's a "diet phrase" for that one
http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years
That guy's girlfriend is a vegetarian. Apparently his body just can't process carbs. We're all slightly different.. I can't imagine a life without carbs.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Shroomism]
#18956237 - 10/09/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's hilarious. the paleolithic "odd-couple" 
i can't imagine my colon's disdain after eating so much raw meat, really. plus, without carbs wouldn't one just feel like a spec of dust? i dunno. but it surprised me when i heard of this, thankfully now, he's just on a regular diet of some sort.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18956394 - 10/09/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It may sound weird as shit to us,.. but he found out what works for him, so that's cool. That's why I never subscribed to these "one size fits all" diets.. We are all humans so there are the same general guidelines to follow.. but there can be drastic differences in body chemistry resulting in drastically different diets.. you just have to find what works best for you. My GF thought she was allergic to gluten/wheat for years, turned out not to be that at all.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Shroomism]
#18956414 - 10/09/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, i guess what i'm wondering is why the hell my friend was changing his diet all the time. maybe he thought one or another would help clear his mind or something... does any particular diet help with nourishment of the brain? that would be interesting.
all i know about is don't mix your greens with meat, and you colon-y type of stuff. 
but yeah, to each their own, i'm just curious... the notion that we are what we eat; that what we eat influences us so much, is fascinating.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18956471 - 10/09/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people just do that, to experiment and find what works best for them. Once you find something that clicks you tend to stick with it.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Shroomism]
#18956567 - 10/09/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's why it's so fascinating. i wanna do something like that, but... i just find switching things up enough that things don't boring, to be a pretty cool deal. i don't hardly get sick, and rarely ever have any gas or digestion problems, other then from soda, or chocolate.
or not eating breakfast. simple stuff, i guess.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18956750 - 10/09/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well either way, I think it's important to try to have a variety of things in your diet.. you don't want to be eating the same shit all the time. Not just with getting bored with the same flavors all the time but also maybe filling in nutritional gaps you may be missing with a particular diet.. so switching things up can be good for a number of reasons.
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Re: Anyone do the paleo diet here? [Re: Shroomism]
#18956763 - 10/09/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, i know, that's why i kinda insist on it. but also, for the different flavors too. unfortunately the situation i am in, right now, i can't afford to eat out or buy fickle things to make the right kinda concoction for a salad or anything. everything now is soup, and lots of soup, and lots of frozen steak, and rice.
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