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NOM NOM
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What is the best non-manure bulk substrate?
#18947080 - 10/07/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm looking for the highest yielding non-manure substrate to spawn with rye. I've used coir in the past, as well as verm/peatmoss. I have access to most soil additives, but due to circumstance manure is not an option.
Also, would it be ideal to inject large amounts of LC directly into pressure cooked layers of that substrate? Trying to find a way to skip the jars and shorten overall grow time 
Any recommendations or links in the right direction?
Thanks!
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: NOM NOM]
#18947097 - 10/07/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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NOM NOM said: Also, would it be ideal to inject large amounts of LC directly into pressure cooked layers of that substrate? T
No.
Have you tried ordering poop/straw substrate online before? One of our sponsors here sells some really great poop substrate. It what I use for my mono's
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Stromrider
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Nimpo]
#18947106 - 10/07/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coir and verm works great and is super easy. What more could you ask for in a substrate
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Stromrider]
#18947169 - 10/07/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ordering any substantial amount of substrate online is not really an option for my situation. Don't get me wrong, coir/verm has worked great I was just wondering if there was something better.
Is there any way then to skip the Rye spawn step?
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: NOM NOM]
#18947186 - 10/07/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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NOM NOM said: Ordering any substantial amount of substrate online is not really an option for my situation. Don't get me wrong, coir/verm has worked great I was just wondering if there was something better.
Is there any way then to skip the Rye spawn step?
1) Use a different grain spawn. 2) Use PF tek. 3) Go hunting.
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Stromrider
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: SgtGanja]
#18947303 - 10/07/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why the hell would he use PF tek? PF tek is great for beginners and people that don't have enough sense to use proper sterile procedure. It doesn't hold a candle to the efficiency of growing bulk. Besides we weren't even talking anything about PF tek
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Stromrider]
#18947313 - 10/07/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know.
I was just answering the question about skipping rye spawn.
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: SgtGanja]
#18947325 - 10/07/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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1 brick of coir, 2 qts coarse verm, pinch of gypsum gallonish of water. franks pasture tek.
easy
at least 5qts spawn
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: SgtGanja]
#18947331 - 10/07/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SgtGanja said: I know.
I was just answering the question about skipping rye spawn.
You can't skip the spawn, mate
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: NOM NOM]
#18947340 - 10/07/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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NOM NOM said: Also, would it be ideal to inject large amounts of LC directly into pressure cooked layers of that substrate? Trying to find a way to skip the jars and shorten overall grow time 
Trying to cut corners in this hobby usually results in fail especially if you are a novice
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Nimpo]
#18947341 - 10/07/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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twistedty said: 1 brick of coir, 2 qts coarse verm, pinch of gypsum gallonish of water. franks pasture tek.
easy
at least 5qts spawn
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Nimpo said:
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SgtGanja said: I know.
I was just answering the question about skipping rye spawn.
You can't skip the spawn, mate
and
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Stromrider]
#18947348 - 10/07/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Blue helix did LC to Bulk with Pans without an issue. His substrate does have grain in it, however. I've never felt the need to try it, but I've read a lot of his posts over the years to know not to doubt him.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4872154 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5619138
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18947366 - 10/07/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP is not Blue Helix and pan mycelium is crazy fast IME. The fact that OP needs to even ask if this can be done is a pretty strong case for him to not attempt it
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Mush4Brains
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#18947391 - 10/07/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm just tossing out ideas.
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18947440 - 10/07/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try tossing out some good ideas.
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: mushbecrazy]
#18947444 - 10/07/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushbecrazy said: Try tossing out some good ideas.
I would say that linking to a tried and true method from a Trusted Cultivator that could be easily replicated with a Grain+CVG bag for cubes is a decent enough idea for somebody who wants to try it, when it is directly related to the questions somebody is asking.
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18947484 - 10/07/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: I would say that linking to a tried and true method from a Trusted Cultivator that could be easily replicated with a Grain+CVG bag for cubes is a decent enough idea for somebody who wants to try it, when it is directly related to the questions somebody is asking.

Guys lets keep things civil The first issue with the links you posted is the use of LC which IMO is a lot trickier to master than most people realize, I know I fucked up enough of them myself If OP is a novice (and if he is already looking to cut corners with the grain spawn then I'm pretty sure he is) then the last thing he should be trying to do is mess with LC. That's the reason why most noobs are encouraged to start with pf tek; its a lot less easy to fuck up.
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: mushbecrazy]
#18947485 - 10/07/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help everyone.
I'm interested in this long term so I'm just trying to figure out ways to make the process a bit more streamline. The Blue Helix log is actually similar to what i had in mind. Are they any others who have tried processes like this?
I plan on continuing to do spawn with coir for quite a while, but I'd like to experiment with other methods in the meantime.
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: NOM NOM]
#18947504 - 10/07/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am fairly new btw, but I've successfully made liquid cultures recently so i'm not a complete noob.
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Re: What is the best non-manure bulk substrate? [Re: NOM NOM]
#18947517 - 10/07/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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NOM NOM said: I am fairly new btw, but I've successfully made liquid cultures recently so i'm not a complete noob.
Then fill yer boots I still consider myself a noob and I run between 6-12 tubs a month
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