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Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC * 1
    #18947033 - 10/07/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/168139-fbi-unable-to-seize-600000-bitcoins-from-silk-road-operator
Closing down the Silk Road and arresting its alleged operator has left the FBI in uncharted territory. After shuttering the hidden site, law enforcement went to work confiscating the money and materials belonging to supposed drug kingpin Ross Ulbricht, but this usually routine procedure is proving especially troublesome in this case. The cache of more than 600,000 bitcoins in Ulbricht’s personal fortune are still inaccessible to the FBI.

The only way to move Bitcoins out of a private wallet is to have the corresponding private key to authorize the transaction. The FBI has been unable to get through the encryption protecting Ulbricht’s wallet, leaving all those Bitcoins — amounting to roughly $80 million at current rates — out of reach. Based on publicly available data, this is about 5% of all Bitcoins in existence right now.

Funds held by users of the site, however, were not so well-protected. Before completing transactions on the Silk Road, users would load Bitcoins into an escrow account on the site. The agreed upon coins would only be transferred to the seller’s private wallet once the buyer had verified delivery of the goods. When the feds took over the Silk Road, there were over 26,000 Bitcoins in user accounts that were relatively easy to snatch up.

The FBI has transferred all 26,000-plus seized Bitcoins to its own personal wallet, but because Bitcoin transactions are tracked publicly, it didn’t take the internet long to find the FBI’s wallet address. Users have taken to transferring tiny fractions of a Bitcoin to the FBI with public comments attached decrying the war on drugs and the arrest of Ulbricht. Users have even helpfully tagged the wallet address as “Silkroad Seized Coins.” You can check out the comments as they come in by watching the blockchain for the FBI’s wallet.

While authorities have control of Ulbricht’s wallet, that’s not the same as having the funds. It’s akin to seizing a computer from a suspect with valuable data inside, but being unable to access it because strong encryption was used to prevent access. Ulbricht himself surely has the necessary information to unlock his wallet — otherwise there would be little use in accumulating $80 million worth of Bitcoins. It’s possible prosecutors will use the leverage they have on him to work out a deal that includes turning over the encryption keys.

The government doesn’t even want to recognize Bitcoins as money, but that apparently won’t stop it from spending them. In these dark days of government shutdowns and sequestration, Uncle Sam could use the infusion of cash. The Bitcoins taken as part of the Silk Road operation will be held until legal proceedings have finished, then they will be liquidated, according to an FBI spokesperson. Users who are out those 26,000BTC are unlikely to be seeing them again. Even if Ulbricht avoids spending the remainder of his days in prison, his $80 million fortune probably won’t be waiting for him.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack] * 2
    #18947043 - 10/07/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18947060 - 10/07/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why would you keep all your coins in one wallet :facepalm:.  Diversification!  Realistically he must have a huge portfolio of stocks too or this guy is a huge moron.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18947090 - 10/07/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What's it matter, if he got busted it was game over anyway.  It encrypted though, so that might be able to get him something.  That many bitcoins out of circulation should drive the price up a bit btw.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947117 - 10/07/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

interesting. This whole ordeal has been very interesting from the start.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18947129 - 10/07/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, keeping even a fraction of that amount in one spot seems like incompetence. So does resorting to a hitman, though, and resorting to one twice and referring to the first time as a price bartering chip during negotiations for the second. Whoever was paid over the second hit was did well and I guess was lucky. Free $800,000. Another bit of incompetence is describing Silk Road as what you do for a living on a public job profile, only leaving out the name Silk Road, with no evidence for such an actual job in real life. Pretty much a red-flag amusement park. Really, how many things are there that fit that description, and how many were there to be found in his life, to throw off any investigation? DPD sounds like a bit of a dumbass. Beneficial service, not exceedingly bright management.

Make almost $100 million, throw it all away through obviously careless decisions. I'm guessing that he was high pretty frequently and didn't notice the telling nature of some of those things.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: something cool] * 1
    #18947204 - 10/07/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I was gonna delete my previous online entries, but then I got high....
Was gonna diversify my portfolio into offshore accounts, but then I got arrested.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack] * 4
    #18947224 - 10/07/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

DPR will have a laugh in his cell for sure. and i'm laughing with him. good boy.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack] * 5
    #18947229 - 10/07/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He should have cashed out bit by bit, then stuck the cash in barrels, buried them in the New Mexico desert and bought a lottery ticket with the GPS coordinates.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: something cool] * 1
    #18947253 - 10/07/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh look more judgement from someone who couldn't do half the shit this man did or have 1% of the money this Guy had. But feels like he's above him because of accidental human error.

If you read the criminal compliant He noticeed his mistake and changed his real name that linked him and changed it, but the documents obtained unearthed this mistake. Humans make mistakes all the time, and on this scale he was more infamous yet more unknown then most kingpins.

So many people ob this site act like what he was doing was a cake walk. When he has been doing it for some time before he got busted.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18947265 - 10/07/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh look more judgement from someone who couldn't do half the shit this man did or have 1% of the money this Guy had. But feels like he's above him because of accidental human error.





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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Global_Roaming]
    #18947281 - 10/07/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ya had. Clinton HAD presidency and so did Nixon but their still accomplished more then most ever will.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18947283 - 10/07/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lighten up dude, I really did at one time feel bad for him until I learned about him trying to get 2 people killed.  He was an e-gangster and he should have stuck to being an admin.  Also, he made some really fucking stupid mistakes in addition, he should have got the fuck out of dodge after he made his first million.  His arrogance was his downfall.  Hopefully the next one lasts 10 years, he opened the cat out of the bad.  Something to consider though, he probably should have shut down soon after the news story and started something new.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947304 - 10/07/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not angry at all, I'm stating he did his best and who the fuck cares about two people when Mexican cartels kill thousands.  It was to protect his business and himself.  He did nothing wrong.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18947344 - 10/07/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He didn't kill anyone, they were feds.  He's a fucking idiot for buying into that hype and letting them manipulate him, but still he shouldn't have paid people to kill anyone.  He's a dumbass when it comes to being a criminal, though he was a genius in other areas.  He was an e-market admin not a fucking gangster and he shouldn't have tried to be that guy.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947350 - 10/07/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For what he did accomplish (lets just ignore the hitmen stuff for now) my hat off to DPR. But he fucked up several times in a business venture that couldn't afford a single slip up. Also, his own ego/greed was equally to blame. He deliberately drummed up a ton of media exposure which focused mainstream attention on SR to point where it couldn't be ignored by LE.

I guess dark3st doesn't have any opinions on anything, right? because that would involve - god forbid - judging others.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947359 - 10/07/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He truly is a fucking moron. If I ever accumulated those funds I would have ditched the whole drug thing and started up a business and laundered the money. Then expand and live free like a bird...


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947370 - 10/07/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What the fuck makes him an E-gangster? I never said he killed anyone anyway. 

He was protecting himself and his business anyway he could figure.  Do you have what he actually said? Do you know him in real life? I'm sure if your billion dollar business was about to be taken down you might go to extreme measures yourself.  And don't fucken say you won't because you nor anyone on this site will ever be in that position of power.

Everyone needs to Stop judging him.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18947407 - 10/07/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I understand what he did, I totally understand why he did it.  I feel bad for him knowing what he gave all of us, and I realize he loved SR more than anyone will ever know, and he was willing to die/kill/go to prison for the rest of his life for it.  Props to him, still make a lot of dumbass mistakes that were common sense to anyone else here.  People try to blackmail vendors all the time, you know what they normally do?  They ignore them.  This guy was as wanted as Bin Laden, and he was living in SF ordering hits on people that were obvious bullshit ways to get him to crack and they worked.  The FBI played his ass, and I feel bad for him about that but he fucked up big time.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947428 - 10/07/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hindsight is always 20/20. And I'm agreeing he made mistakes but most people on this site are putting him down when they are a penny below the empire state building.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st] * 2
    #18947462 - 10/07/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18947473 - 10/07/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ya that's the point in a nutshell.  Just seems no one is defending him and, seems they rather put him down.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18947475 - 10/07/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There were people doing the same shit as him 10 years ago, he just let the cat out of the bag and tried to grow his site to the point that it got over 1 million users.  I'll take being a poor nobody over being the richest person in the US prison system.  A lot of us have been on source boards, see them come and go.  None of them ever got like that before, he should have quit after the Senate had a discussion about his site.  He fucked up big time.  I will write him a thank you note, as will many other people here.  Won't say anything mean to him, just thank him for what he did and his sacrifice to the concept of an open drug marketplace.  He opened everyone's door to get whatever they wanted as soon as the mailman could deliver it.  I'm more so insulting him as a business owner/criminal than as a visionary, for that I have nothing but respect for him.  But as a criminal he was a fucking idiot.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947756 - 10/08/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fuck 'em.

I hope they never see a dime of it


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: NWlight]
    #18947825 - 10/08/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fuck 'em.

I hope they never see a dime of it




:whathesaid: It is LITERALLY impossible to stop people from getting drugs. Dont they know that they are the source to all drug-related violence? If you could buy it in a store like alcohol, then the violence would quickly dissolve.

Although i am only observing these events... I think its a great way to show that drugs are never going away. And that with this victory for them, multiple clones of his site have sprung up to overwhelm them.


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Re: Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947999 - 10/08/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The FBI has transferred all 26,000-plus seized Bitcoins to its own personal wallet, but because Bitcoin transactions are tracked publicly, it didn’t take the internet long to find the FBI’s wallet address. Users have taken to transferring tiny fractions of a Bitcoin to the FBI with public comments attached decrying the war on drugs and the arrest of Ulbricht. Users have even helpfully tagged the wallet address as “Silkroad Seized Coins.” You can check out the comments as they come in by watching the blockchain for the FBI’s wallet.




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That's actually pretty great. Wouldn't have thought of that myself. Too much drama in this thread. Let's lighten it up a bit eh? We can keep the drama in the first seized SR article.


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Re: Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: bryguy27007]
    #18948480 - 10/08/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Many items sold through Silk Road were perfectly legal. There is no way to know whether these funds were to be used for illicit purchases. Users should be allowed to withdraw their funds."

@ public blockchain

I think that's true, it was an online market place
the only crime the author did was the murder for hire and fake IDs, but turned out he didn't do that either (the hitman)

so maybe he'll get a few years for the fake ids, and hopefully launch a SR 2.0 when he gets out

he never distributed anything illegal, just like ebay doesn't
and just like torrent sites don't

it's a shame he didn't make Silkroad opensource... I'm sure many people would want to host it


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Re: Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: lessismore]
    #18948484 - 10/08/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

personally I would contact the feds if I were a first time buyer on SR with bitcoins in my SR wallet and tell them I was going to buy a scale for my kitchen, that's perfectly legal you know :wink:

and get my money back

there were many legal items on SR last time I checked..
scales,computer support,general trading for bitcoins....


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18948514 - 10/08/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What the fuck makes him an E-gangster? I never said he killed anyone anyway. 

He was protecting himself and his business anyway he could figure.  Do you have what he actually said? Do you know him in real life? I'm sure if your billion dollar business was about to be taken down you might go to extreme measures yourself.  And don't fucken say you won't because you nor anyone on this site will ever be in that position of power.

Everyone needs to Stop judging him.




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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Gorlax]
    #18948638 - 10/08/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What the fuck makes him an E-gangster? I never said he killed anyone anyway. 

He was protecting himself and his business anyway he could figure.  Do you have what he actually said? Do you know him in real life? I'm sure if your billion dollar business was about to be taken down you might go to extreme measures yourself.  And don't fucken say you won't because you nor anyone on this site will ever be in that position of power.

Everyone needs to Stop judging him.




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The Asshole of the millennia...:pirate:


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18948830 - 10/08/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dark3st said:
What the fuck makes him an E-gangster? I never said he killed anyone anyway. 

He was protecting himself and his business anyway he could figure.  Do you have what he actually said? Do you know him in real life? I'm sure if your billion dollar business was about to be taken down you might go to extreme measures yourself.  And don't fucken say you won't because you nor anyone on this site will ever be in that position of power.

Everyone needs to Stop judging him.




the troll of the century..:pirate:



The Asshole of the millennia...:pirate:





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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: afrogus]
    #18948972 - 10/08/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

All DPR has done is teach the masses what not to do when running a multi billion dollar drug trade ring online. Feds may have got him, but the next big fish will likely be much harder to take down because they will be sure not to make same mistakes.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dirty]
    #18948987 - 10/08/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I predict the next one won't last as long, and the one after that will be a game changer.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18949058 - 10/08/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I predict the next one won't last as long, and the one after that will be a game changer.




Well.. SR ued lots of technology
he seemed to be knowing what he was doing...

vpn, servers in other countries, connecting from a netcafé all the time
and tor on all servers + btc tumbling on SR

pretty advanced ... but not that hard to do for any IT employee knows how to do it
any average good coder could have coded SR, but most people don't have the guts to run anything that big or the good idea to start with

I hope the next drugs  will be delivered on torrent, and pizza too

deeppan.torrent , heavyindica.torrent  , lsd.torrent :wink:

he probably changed the world a lot with all that lsd SR sold
would love to change the minds of the world with lsd... for I believe it can change the world

change one person, changes everyone around that person  that is how it works
lsd is what the world needs, and SR helped people be supplied with it (like any auction site, without selling it)

you never know what your sellers might be selling...

someone should code some opensource software for a SR 2.0


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18949184 - 10/08/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can't be serious. First of all, where does this "feels above him" nonsense come from? Second of all, it wasn't just human error, it was human incompetence, human lack-of-foresight, also human ego (his SR describing job description). If you think those are errors, your head is in a thick cloud. Thirdly, DPD bought SR, he didn't create it, so explain to me the great social accomplishment in letting a BTC account fill up. He was fortunate, himself, but he did some things that screwed it up. That is the observable fact, and not a personal judgment or sense of being above him.

Rant more, maybe it will satisfy whatever need it is that you're trying to have filled with that post.

>> So many people ob this site act like what he was doing was a cake walk. When he has been doing it for some time before he got busted.

Time to give yourself a head check: Was he caught due to complex, sophisticated and hard-to-handle challenges, or was he caught because he simply gave himself away by doing what should have been obvious do-nots?


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: something cool]
    #18949214 - 10/08/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He claimed he bought it, in retrospect I wonder...  I mean he's got money bitcoins than god (don't think God has confidence in them to be fair), he must have been there since the beginning.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18949223 - 10/08/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

His BTC doesn't seem unreasonable for the amount of time he's supposedly held it, SR fees and its purported revenue. Plus someone with significant BTC can multiply that BTC through pretty safe market trading.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: something cool]
    #18949259 - 10/08/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You can't be serious. First of all, where does this "feels above him" nonsense come from? Second of all, it wasn't just human error, it was human incompetence, human lack-of-foresight, also human ego (his SR describing job description). If you think those are errors, your head is in a thick cloud. Thirdly, DPD bought SR, he didn't create it, so explain to me the great social accomplishment in letting a BTC account fill up. He was fortunate, himself, but he did some things that screwed it up. That is the observable fact, and not a personal judgment or sense of being above him.

Rant more, maybe it will satisfy whatever need it is that you're trying to have filled with that post.

>> So many people ob this site act like what he was doing was a cake walk. When he has been doing it for some time before he got busted.

Time to give yourself a head check: Was he caught due to complex, sophisticated and hard-to-handle challenges, or was he caught because he simply gave himself away by doing what should have been obvious do-nots?




He was caught by surveillance... probably the NSA

watching your internet history is important... you probably make 1 mistake a day yourself when you use the internet
most consumer lines are fully logged these days... 'antiterror logging'

can't be too careful
they found out he made a mistake 1 minute on stackoverflow.... and that he corrected it 1minute later it says in the paper

even more surveillance...

never do your stuff from home..

you talk like you could have done it better... could have happened to even the best IT guy
SWIM used to work as a sysadm for years, swim doesn't delete all swims tracks all the time, because that's nearly impossible if you use google,stackoverflow,facebook,...

Never browse from home to your 'secret boxes' - not via vpn either, never browse without livecd (even there... remember machanger -r , and NEVER log onto google,youtube,fb,stackoverflow etc)
never do anything that can associate you with your secret boxes, from home

would recommend an awus036h + laptop, then run around and use free wifi, from a livedist (with random mac addr on your card)
remember to leave your cellphone at home, as they are tracking and listening devices, watch over your shoulders

staying anonymous isn't easy these days.... everything is logged

the good thing is, you only need to stay anonymous long enough to 'push' the site(upload the new version of the site to your server)
develop it at home on your own encrypted laptop, hack wifi/use netcafe to upload it
then you can log onto via tor at home as admin

then you only need to find a good place to place your servers, and need to make a fake ID when you rent them... and when you pay them... not easy, unless you steal creditcards


Edited by lessismore (10/08/13 12:06 PM)


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: lessismore]
    #18949339 - 10/08/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Using a single wallet would allow him to memorize the key to it so he could avoid writing it down (IRL or digitally). If he had split it up to multiple wallets he would be forced to archive the keys somewhere. This would replace the sophisticated digital protection on the wallets with very simple, very crackable physical protection. Unless he trusted someone enough to give them parts of his BTC and hold it without him having access there isn't really a simple way to avoid losing the wallet in a raid, only hope is to keep it encrypted.

Laudering money while still running SR could have posed unforeseen problems. You also have to be pretty visable to launder millions of dollars and play whatever role you are using to clean it. IMO not cleaning to money and making it useable until after SR was closed is the right idea.

Now that leads to the fact that he kept SR running longer than he should. I am sure it was 10% to benefit the community and 90% greed as the reasoning he kept it running so long. There are two ways to run a criminal enterprise, either keep it low key, low volume and run it indefinitely or grow quickly with a very set goal for when to bail out no matter what. We don't know if he had a $100M goal or whether he had a $1M goal and just got greedy once money started flowing.

He made some clear mistakes that should never have been made and they can't really be justified. However we can't really judge his other decisions in hindsight without being in those positions ourself.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: lessismore]
    #18949354 - 10/08/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it's very hard/almost impossible to avoid making mistakes, unless you are a machine

if you realize that, you are a good way on the path to being anonymous

I don't see the SR owner thinking he was invulnerable, it was the media that made it go down
he wasn't responsible for all the media attention... people mentioning SR everywhere were...

you would have to program your subconsciousness to be fully anonymous, to increase the ego :-)
being on facebook / shroomery is a nono, sharing your real values in life / beliefs with anyone is a nogo either.

very hard to be anonymous :wink:


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Re: Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18949611 - 10/08/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Even if Ulbricht avoids spending the remainder of his days in prison, his $80 million fortune probably won’t be waiting for him.




Entire article explains that the FBI can't access Ulbricht's bitcoins. Then all-of-a-sudden says that if he ever gets out, he probably won't be able to access his bitcoins...


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Smushroom]
    #18949639 - 10/08/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Using a single wallet would allow him to memorize the key to it so he could avoid writing it down (IRL or digitally). If he had split it up to multiple wallets he would be forced to archive the keys somewhere. This would replace the sophisticated digital protection on the wallets with very simple, very crackable physical protection.



No, he could use an equally sophisticated singular digital encryption to lock an archive holding his multiple wallet keys.

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Laudering money while still running SR could have posed unforeseen problems. You also have to be pretty visable to launder millions of dollars and play whatever role you are using to clean it. IMO not cleaning to money and making it useable until after SR was closed is the right idea.




There are many, many legitimate instant BTC millionaires at this time who will be pumping their gains into their bank accounts using the maximum daily allowed by their BTC service for a long time to come. BTC is also not a federally recognized currency in Canada, where he was, and that presents many additional implications in his favor for transferring those BTC into money.

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you talk like you could have done it better...



Unquestionably, but that is not a point of mine, and neither here/there. His damning mistakes were not slip ups, careless in self-protection, but ones that took actual effort to make.


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Re: Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: s240779]
    #18949708 - 10/08/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

meh he had a good run. im sure he knew that he had a good chance of being taken down. why he didnt move to some obscure country is beyond me


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: i like cow poo]
    #18949772 - 10/08/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This head of Silk Road guy is a dumbass bitch honestly.
I mean, what kind of idiot attaches their email address to a comment he made about Silk Road? He put the exact online address for Silk Road, and then his email if anyone had questions? I thought this was supposed to be on the DL. I wonder if he was set up? Cause if I had just 5 to 10 million I would be living out in the backwoods of Idaho with a house and self sustain. Looks like greed took over
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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: GreenGrassMatt]
    #18950064 - 10/08/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, he could use an equally sophisticated singular digital encryption to lock an archive holding his multiple wallet keys.




That would be no different than keeping them in a single wallet considering if they physically get the file then they have all his money. The only way to truly break it up would be to have multiple people hold it but then you actually have to trust multiple people.

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There are many, many legitimate instant BTC millionaires at this time who will be pumping their gains into their bank accounts using the maximum daily allowed by their BTC service for a long time to come. BTC is also not a federally recognized currency in Canada, where he was, and that presents many additional implications in his favor for transferring those BTC into money.




DPR was an American citizen from Texas living in California, not Canada.

To truly launder money you have to make it look like legitimate income and pay income tax on that income. If you gained the money legitimately that is never an issue. If you gained that money illegally you have to funnel that money through a legitimate business and/or investment to hide it. That much sudden income draws attention. It is easier to hide / explain away that income if it is coming from a ghost account with no other activity on it than it is to hide the account if it constantly has illegal income coming into it while you are sending "legal" income out of it.

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This head of Silk Road guy is a dumbass bitch honestly.
I mean, what kind of idiot attaches their email address to a comment he made about Silk Road? He put the exact online address for Silk Road, and then his email if anyone had questions? I thought this was supposed to be on the DL.




Actually no he didn't. He registered the forum accounts via Tor using fake info. He made 1 post on 2 different forums advertising SR when it was first started. His mistake was that he used 1 of those accounts to post a question about programming involving bitcoins 8 months after the original SR posts. He listed his real email in that post for contact info. That post on its own would never had drawn attention and couldn't have been linked to SR. Using the same account instead of creating a new account was what really screwed him.

When he made those accounts SR had just started and was probably only making a few $1000 or less in commissions on a regular basis. For a business that size you can't assume they would spend the time/effort to make the account connection. Yes he should have made a new account but everyone acts like it would have been obvious at the time. Its only obvious they would go to that much effort to track him once the site started going millions in sales.

Yes it was a dumb unnecessary mistake but at the time it happened it was less of an issue than it is now.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Smushroom]
    #18950656 - 10/08/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That would be no different than keeping them in a single wallet considering if they physically get the file then they have all his money. The only way to truly break it up would be to have multiple people hold it but then you actually have to trust multiple people.



It would have been different because the multiple addresses are not known, or known to exist, and so can't be seized. The archive (which should not be stored on a home PC) would have to first be cracked. I don't think that his BTC account was seized by cracking the security, but by knowing the address (probably due to the funds transfer to the po for the attempted hit) and who hosts it, then confronting the business with a seizure notice.


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To truly launder money you have to make it look like legitimate income and pay income tax on that income. If you gained the money legitimately that is never an issue. If you gained that money illegally you have to funnel that money through a legitimate business and/or investment to hide it. That much sudden income draws attention. It is easier to hide / explain away that income if it is coming from a ghost account with no other activity on it than it is to hide the account if it constantly has illegal income coming into it while you are sending "legal" income out of it.



BTC millionaire, and just pay the taxes.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: something cool]
    #18951473 - 10/08/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Unless you give the accounts to someone else to hold or put them somewhere completely untraceable to you that will still be there in several years when you get out the feds will find the wallets. The only way they are going to access the wallets is with his cooperation, it doesn't matter if the money is in 1 or 10 wallets.

Regardless of how much encryption and hiding are done with various transactions the source code for SR had to have an account to send the commissions to in there somewhere. Even with BTC tumblers once they have access to his computer and the servers they could eventually trace the money to the accounts it ended up in. BTC and Tor are only really good and hiding starting and ending points from being discovered. Once you know either the start/end then they can somewhat trace it back since BTC transactions are public.

You can't just claim $80 million in income without explaining where it came from. YOu can't just say "I made $80M in BTC" and not have proof of where it came from. Not putting it into a US bank anyway. Laundering money means you actually have to give it a legitimate source of generation.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Smushroom]
    #18952721 - 10/09/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I dumped some cash on BTC when it $0.13 a coin. I moved it between several wallets since, for security. I've moved it in and out of certain sites which dead-stopped the Blockchain tracking, so it's impossible for anyone to trace it back beyond a certain point. There is nothing to say how much BTC I bought, or how much I have, except my word. It's legitimate, and I can move it into bank accounts in any volume that I wish, which is also legitimate. BTC early adopter/millionaire, it simply is what it is.

Apparently, DPR's BTC haven't yet been seized, or accessed: FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: something cool]
    #18954554 - 10/09/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I dumped some cash on BTC when it $0.13 a coin. I moved it between several wallets since, for security. I've moved it in and out of certain sites which dead-stopped the Blockchain tracking, so it's impossible for anyone to trace it back beyond a certain point. There is nothing to say how much BTC I bought, or how much I have, except my word. It's legitimate, and I can move it into bank accounts in any volume that I wish, which is also legitimate. BTC early adopter/millionaire, it simply is what it is.

Apparently, DPR's BTC haven't yet been seized, or accessed: FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder



are you saying you made >1million with bitcoins?

fucking grats man


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18964342 - 10/11/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Everyone needs to Stop judging him.




His incompetence exposed many sellers and users identities. This is a drug war we are in, and he got rich from the drug war, that makes him a profiteer.
So a few people got to try 12 dollar hits of LSD, if anything that LSD left the normal market. You know the people who are not bitches and get drugs without this "service". Sorry I would rather have LSD brought over by a dealer in a car, that's better than local acid being shipped out to whoever in the world will pay the most. That shit is bad for the LSD supply.
So good riddance SR.
PS want to bet DPR starts co operating with more than his wallet password? These heroes who just want to help people get drugs, they always flip when they are facing real time.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: my3rdeye]
    #18964375 - 10/11/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You could use some lsd to get rid of the frustration :-)

see the good in people and everything

peace :wink:


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: my3rdeye]
    #18980461 - 10/15/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude you need to calm yo tits. SR was bad in some ways but that was when they had the armory and a couple other questionable things. The drugz they were sellin was just fine.


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