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OfflineCamwritesgonzo
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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st] * 2
    #18947462 - 10/07/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18947473 - 10/07/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ya that's the point in a nutshell.  Just seems no one is defending him and, seems they rather put him down.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18947475 - 10/07/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There were people doing the same shit as him 10 years ago, he just let the cat out of the bag and tried to grow his site to the point that it got over 1 million users.  I'll take being a poor nobody over being the richest person in the US prison system.  A lot of us have been on source boards, see them come and go.  None of them ever got like that before, he should have quit after the Senate had a discussion about his site.  He fucked up big time.  I will write him a thank you note, as will many other people here.  Won't say anything mean to him, just thank him for what he did and his sacrifice to the concept of an open drug marketplace.  He opened everyone's door to get whatever they wanted as soon as the mailman could deliver it.  I'm more so insulting him as a business owner/criminal than as a visionary, for that I have nothing but respect for him.  But as a criminal he was a fucking idiot.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947756 - 10/08/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fuck 'em.

I hope they never see a dime of it


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: NWlight]
    #18947825 - 10/08/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
fuck 'em.

I hope they never see a dime of it




:whathesaid: It is LITERALLY impossible to stop people from getting drugs. Dont they know that they are the source to all drug-related violence? If you could buy it in a store like alcohol, then the violence would quickly dissolve.

Although i am only observing these events... I think its a great way to show that drugs are never going away. And that with this victory for them, multiple clones of his site have sprung up to overwhelm them.


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Re: Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18947999 - 10/08/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fapjack said:
The FBI has transferred all 26,000-plus seized Bitcoins to its own personal wallet, but because Bitcoin transactions are tracked publicly, it didn’t take the internet long to find the FBI’s wallet address. Users have taken to transferring tiny fractions of a Bitcoin to the FBI with public comments attached decrying the war on drugs and the arrest of Ulbricht. Users have even helpfully tagged the wallet address as “Silkroad Seized Coins.” You can check out the comments as they come in by watching the blockchain for the FBI’s wallet.




:rofl2:
That's actually pretty great. Wouldn't have thought of that myself. Too much drama in this thread. Let's lighten it up a bit eh? We can keep the drama in the first seized SR article.


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Re: Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: bryguy27007]
    #18948480 - 10/08/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Many items sold through Silk Road were perfectly legal. There is no way to know whether these funds were to be used for illicit purchases. Users should be allowed to withdraw their funds."

@ public blockchain

I think that's true, it was an online market place
the only crime the author did was the murder for hire and fake IDs, but turned out he didn't do that either (the hitman)

so maybe he'll get a few years for the fake ids, and hopefully launch a SR 2.0 when he gets out

he never distributed anything illegal, just like ebay doesn't
and just like torrent sites don't

it's a shame he didn't make Silkroad opensource... I'm sure many people would want to host it


Edited by lessismore (10/08/13 07:58 AM)


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Re: Feds trying to seize SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: lessismore]
    #18948484 - 10/08/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

personally I would contact the feds if I were a first time buyer on SR with bitcoins in my SR wallet and tell them I was going to buy a scale for my kitchen, that's perfectly legal you know :wink:

and get my money back

there were many legal items on SR last time I checked..
scales,computer support,general trading for bitcoins....


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18948514 - 10/08/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What the fuck makes him an E-gangster? I never said he killed anyone anyway. 

He was protecting himself and his business anyway he could figure.  Do you have what he actually said? Do you know him in real life? I'm sure if your billion dollar business was about to be taken down you might go to extreme measures yourself.  And don't fucken say you won't because you nor anyone on this site will ever be in that position of power.

Everyone needs to Stop judging him.




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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: Gorlax]
    #18948638 - 10/08/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Gorlax said:
Quote:

dark3st said:
What the fuck makes him an E-gangster? I never said he killed anyone anyway. 

He was protecting himself and his business anyway he could figure.  Do you have what he actually said? Do you know him in real life? I'm sure if your billion dollar business was about to be taken down you might go to extreme measures yourself.  And don't fucken say you won't because you nor anyone on this site will ever be in that position of power.

Everyone needs to Stop judging him.




the troll of the century..:pirate:



The Asshole of the millennia...:pirate:


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18948830 - 10/08/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

dark3st said:
Quote:

Gorlax said:
Quote:

dark3st said:
What the fuck makes him an E-gangster? I never said he killed anyone anyway. 

He was protecting himself and his business anyway he could figure.  Do you have what he actually said? Do you know him in real life? I'm sure if your billion dollar business was about to be taken down you might go to extreme measures yourself.  And don't fucken say you won't because you nor anyone on this site will ever be in that position of power.

Everyone needs to Stop judging him.




the troll of the century..:pirate:



The Asshole of the millennia...:pirate:





Awesome! A flame war!  So bold and original!!!  Go on.....


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: afrogus]
    #18948972 - 10/08/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

All DPR has done is teach the masses what not to do when running a multi billion dollar drug trade ring online. Feds may have got him, but the next big fish will likely be much harder to take down because they will be sure not to make same mistakes.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dirty]
    #18948987 - 10/08/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I predict the next one won't last as long, and the one after that will be a game changer.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18949058 - 10/08/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fapjack said:
I predict the next one won't last as long, and the one after that will be a game changer.




Well.. SR ued lots of technology
he seemed to be knowing what he was doing...

vpn, servers in other countries, connecting from a netcafé all the time
and tor on all servers + btc tumbling on SR

pretty advanced ... but not that hard to do for any IT employee knows how to do it
any average good coder could have coded SR, but most people don't have the guts to run anything that big or the good idea to start with

I hope the next drugs  will be delivered on torrent, and pizza too

deeppan.torrent , heavyindica.torrent  , lsd.torrent :wink:

he probably changed the world a lot with all that lsd SR sold
would love to change the minds of the world with lsd... for I believe it can change the world

change one person, changes everyone around that person  that is how it works
lsd is what the world needs, and SR helped people be supplied with it (like any auction site, without selling it)

you never know what your sellers might be selling...

someone should code some opensource software for a SR 2.0


Edited by lessismore (10/08/13 11:29 AM)


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: dark3st]
    #18949184 - 10/08/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can't be serious. First of all, where does this "feels above him" nonsense come from? Second of all, it wasn't just human error, it was human incompetence, human lack-of-foresight, also human ego (his SR describing job description). If you think those are errors, your head is in a thick cloud. Thirdly, DPD bought SR, he didn't create it, so explain to me the great social accomplishment in letting a BTC account fill up. He was fortunate, himself, but he did some things that screwed it up. That is the observable fact, and not a personal judgment or sense of being above him.

Rant more, maybe it will satisfy whatever need it is that you're trying to have filled with that post.

>> So many people ob this site act like what he was doing was a cake walk. When he has been doing it for some time before he got busted.

Time to give yourself a head check: Was he caught due to complex, sophisticated and hard-to-handle challenges, or was he caught because he simply gave himself away by doing what should have been obvious do-nots?


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: something cool]
    #18949214 - 10/08/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He claimed he bought it, in retrospect I wonder...  I mean he's got money bitcoins than god (don't think God has confidence in them to be fair), he must have been there since the beginning.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: fapjack]
    #18949223 - 10/08/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

His BTC doesn't seem unreasonable for the amount of time he's supposedly held it, SR fees and its purported revenue. Plus someone with significant BTC can multiply that BTC through pretty safe market trading.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: something cool]
    #18949259 - 10/08/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

something cool said:
You can't be serious. First of all, where does this "feels above him" nonsense come from? Second of all, it wasn't just human error, it was human incompetence, human lack-of-foresight, also human ego (his SR describing job description). If you think those are errors, your head is in a thick cloud. Thirdly, DPD bought SR, he didn't create it, so explain to me the great social accomplishment in letting a BTC account fill up. He was fortunate, himself, but he did some things that screwed it up. That is the observable fact, and not a personal judgment or sense of being above him.

Rant more, maybe it will satisfy whatever need it is that you're trying to have filled with that post.

>> So many people ob this site act like what he was doing was a cake walk. When he has been doing it for some time before he got busted.

Time to give yourself a head check: Was he caught due to complex, sophisticated and hard-to-handle challenges, or was he caught because he simply gave himself away by doing what should have been obvious do-nots?




He was caught by surveillance... probably the NSA

watching your internet history is important... you probably make 1 mistake a day yourself when you use the internet
most consumer lines are fully logged these days... 'antiterror logging'

can't be too careful
they found out he made a mistake 1 minute on stackoverflow.... and that he corrected it 1minute later it says in the paper

even more surveillance...

never do your stuff from home..

you talk like you could have done it better... could have happened to even the best IT guy
SWIM used to work as a sysadm for years, swim doesn't delete all swims tracks all the time, because that's nearly impossible if you use google,stackoverflow,facebook,...

Never browse from home to your 'secret boxes' - not via vpn either, never browse without livecd (even there... remember machanger -r , and NEVER log onto google,youtube,fb,stackoverflow etc)
never do anything that can associate you with your secret boxes, from home

would recommend an awus036h + laptop, then run around and use free wifi, from a livedist (with random mac addr on your card)
remember to leave your cellphone at home, as they are tracking and listening devices, watch over your shoulders

staying anonymous isn't easy these days.... everything is logged

the good thing is, you only need to stay anonymous long enough to 'push' the site(upload the new version of the site to your server)
develop it at home on your own encrypted laptop, hack wifi/use netcafe to upload it
then you can log onto via tor at home as admin

then you only need to find a good place to place your servers, and need to make a fake ID when you rent them... and when you pay them... not easy, unless you steal creditcards


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: lessismore]
    #18949339 - 10/08/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Using a single wallet would allow him to memorize the key to it so he could avoid writing it down (IRL or digitally). If he had split it up to multiple wallets he would be forced to archive the keys somewhere. This would replace the sophisticated digital protection on the wallets with very simple, very crackable physical protection. Unless he trusted someone enough to give them parts of his BTC and hold it without him having access there isn't really a simple way to avoid losing the wallet in a raid, only hope is to keep it encrypted.

Laudering money while still running SR could have posed unforeseen problems. You also have to be pretty visable to launder millions of dollars and play whatever role you are using to clean it. IMO not cleaning to money and making it useable until after SR was closed is the right idea.

Now that leads to the fact that he kept SR running longer than he should. I am sure it was 10% to benefit the community and 90% greed as the reasoning he kept it running so long. There are two ways to run a criminal enterprise, either keep it low key, low volume and run it indefinitely or grow quickly with a very set goal for when to bail out no matter what. We don't know if he had a $100M goal or whether he had a $1M goal and just got greedy once money started flowing.

He made some clear mistakes that should never have been made and they can't really be justified. However we can't really judge his other decisions in hindsight without being in those positions ourself.


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Re: Feds trying to seizre SR owners wallet 600,000 BTC [Re: lessismore]
    #18949354 - 10/08/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it's very hard/almost impossible to avoid making mistakes, unless you are a machine

if you realize that, you are a good way on the path to being anonymous

I don't see the SR owner thinking he was invulnerable, it was the media that made it go down
he wasn't responsible for all the media attention... people mentioning SR everywhere were...

you would have to program your subconsciousness to be fully anonymous, to increase the ego :-)
being on facebook / shroomery is a nono, sharing your real values in life / beliefs with anyone is a nogo either.

very hard to be anonymous :wink:


Edited by lessismore (10/08/13 12:27 PM)


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