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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18944446 - 10/07/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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omegafaust said:
Op your claim is ridiculous.  I can give myself goosebumps too.  in fact I can isolate where I get them, at least in the sense of left or right arm or left or right pectoral. 

Its not chi!  Guess what other autonomous bofily functions some people can control, like heartbeat.  people can alter the speed and even stop their hearts.  this is not ch.

Some people can even regulate their body temperature.  this is not chi.  this is mastery of ones own body and is completely explainable by science which is itself proof that it is not chi.




Prove it.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Diploid]
    #18944452 - 10/07/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To be fair, chi was described as the animating life force invested in all living beings. The supernatural claims came later and doesn't appear to be part of the original definition. These days we call chi nerve impulses. I like to give credit where it's due. I don't have a reason to skip the original definition in favor of the supernatural definition.

So, like I said being able to walk and talk requires chi and focus. It's just the lingo they used back in the day. Once the word falls out of fashion or is introduced to a new audience it's ripe for being mystified. I have little doubt the OP and others are using their mind/brain to affect their nervous system to produce a result. It's chi but it's not supernatural. :nonono:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18944454 - 10/07/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
Don't you expect the world to circle around you in awe based on your self-proclaimed powers beyond nature?

If it was supernatural, your video would be viral and scientists from all over the world speechless by now.

Wannabe at best. :shrug:




Nice strawman and personalism.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Diploid]
    #18944460 - 10/07/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Where you get your definitions from? (Let me guess, you made it up)

I got it from looking at the same bullshit chi claims going back decades and from the Wiki.

Funny how you're now an expert on something you don't even think exists.

Irrelevant. Do you have a rebuttal to what I posted or is attacking me personally the best you got?

I have yet to see a single, verifiable measurement of chi despite an extensive search over many years. The best I've ever found is endless streams of the same non-evidence crap you posted in the OP and a shitload of hot air. Nary a single controlled demonstration of someone simply knocking over a lamp with chi.

Meanwhile ONE SINGLE DEMONSTRATION in a proper controlled experiment would cinch it and convince the skeptics. A simple demonstration at JREF (which I notice you have like so many before you also refused to perform despite my offer to cover all your expenses) is all that is required. But instead of doing this simple demo and taking a free Florida vacation here you are with page after page of cheap talk and stoopid videos of an ordinary physiological function furry mammals have been doing for millions of years.

How about that, eh?

I would agree that it isn't seeming directly measurable, but indirectly measureable is another story.

Blah blah blah. :blah:

The JREF million bucks and my offer remain on the table.




I don't see the wiki saying it is unmeasurable by definition, I new you was making it up. Now hurry and throw a red herring to change the focus of your wiki non source, lmao. You can come see me if you want. I'm not wasting time with Randi, I have better shit to do. Like jref has anything to do with this really.

:bow:

How about this, you waste time to fill out the form and submit it and if I'm offered a contract I'll be happy to do what I said I can.

I'll even give you $20,000 of my winnings for getting me the contract.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944478 - 10/07/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

strawman

Uh, how? What I said is obviously vital at this stage in the thread.

personalism

You want to be supernatural, correct?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18944481 - 10/07/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, you said that, you must not read well.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944493 - 10/07/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, you said that, you must not read well.

So if you don't want to be supernatural I don't understand why you're trying to prove it?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18944496 - 10/07/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not proving anything, I'm providing evidence of chi, indirectly.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944504 - 10/07/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you do it?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18944510 - 10/07/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:braindamage:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944511 - 10/07/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see the wiki saying it is unmeasurable by definition, I new you was making it up.

Then let's measure it. Prove me wrong. I'll send you the free airline ticket and hotel confirmation with a penthouse balcony ocean view on Miami Beach the moment your JREF application is formally in the queue.

Note to audience: now will follow endless excuses for why something that can be measured can't be measured after all when a trained scientist and an experienced stage magician who can spot cheaters are watching at JREF.

How about this, you waste time to fill out the form

Note to audience: see what I mean? Filling out a simple JREF application is just way too much work for an easy million bucks.

QED


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Diploid]
    #18944522 - 10/07/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fill it out, I'll be happy to sign it. There is even 20k in it for you, or better yet why don't you come see me personally at the university?

See audience, he wants to make every do work and if they don't want to do all the work he asks then he wants you to think he is right.

You already lose from making shit up, you're arguments are just grasping at straws.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944539 - 10/07/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fill it out, I'll be happy to sign it.

Yeah because my offer to cover your expenses to go get an easy million bucks in Florida is just not enough effort on my part. I can see we're done here.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944545 - 10/07/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Diploid, if you think what I can do qualifies as supernatural, then fill out the forms, because I certainly can do what I said and you will be $20k richer if I get the contract.

I don't thinks it's supernatural, nor claim it as such, you are doing that.

I bet even JREF would disagree with that assertion.

I mean it's the easiest $20k you would ever make in your life, just for filling out a form or two.

Or how about you put your money where your mouth is and let's have a real wager, I bet you $1500 and around $1000 in silver that I can do it.

What you got?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944581 - 10/07/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:
Yeah, again the key word is "Involuntary".

Did you know that voluntary and involuntary are different?





Yes, that's one of the many things I know.  I'm not taking a position on your claims. I'm just providing information I consider interesting on the general subject.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944589 - 10/07/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't thinks it's supernatural, nor claim it as such, you are doing that.

What is the definition of your 'Chi'?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Diploid]
    #18944607 - 10/07/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you really wanna put up I'm sure I could round up close to $20 grand or more, how deep you wanna go?





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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18944613 - 10/07/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Who are you posting that to?:popcorn:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
    #18944619 - 10/07/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Who ever has the money and wants to bet.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: clam_dude]
    #18944628 - 10/07/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So a video of you attaining goosebumps = objective evidence of chi?

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