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Slow growing, shrinking pereskiopsis.
    #18939357 - 10/06/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Can anyhone help me ID this pereskiopsis, it is small and slow growing.



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Re: ID this pereskiopsis [Re: G2gCya]
    #18939807 - 10/06/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The slow growth may just be from your growing conditions, they survive drought pretty well but growth slows and they drop their leaves. My guess by looking at it is that it was watered well recently but went through some drought before that.

Getting an ID on it may be tricky, especially with only a few small leaves. For grafting I don't think it matters much what species you have specifically.


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Re: ID this pereskiopsis [Re: psi]
    #18939835 - 10/06/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like p. porterii to me. Spathulata would be a little more hairy in a situation like this in my experience( I can't see any hair in the picture anyway).
Like psi said, give it some water and good light and we can tell you exactly. :laugh:
Where did you get it from?


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Re: ID this pereskiopsis [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #18943014 - 10/07/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My pere hard grown ( full sun and limited water ) don't have much hair and have large spines and I believe they are Spathulata.
To know for sure put it some were warm, shaded and give it plenty of water also some fertz probably wouldn't hurt

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Re: ID this pereskiopsis [Re: GoOnThen]
    #18943437 - 10/07/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if it will ever grow bigger looking at how small the leaves are. I water it everyday and the leaves keep shrinking everyday and withered away. I'm leaving in a flat and sunlight is pretty much limited due to the obstruction of many flats around. (I'm living in hot climate country in Singapore, no seasons no winter).

Could it be the soil that i use? I use quite alot of perlite with potting mix. Should i stop using perlite and just go with normal potting mix? Perhaps the water is draining too fast?


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Re: ID this pereskiopsis [Re: G2gCya]
    #18943630 - 10/07/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I use straight store bought cacti mix but a good standard potting mix should be fine as well. I would water it as you normally would and the un pot it and see how wet the soil is and check out the roots as well. I would think that the soil isn't wetting through or It has problems with the roots.
Pere don't need heaps of light and your weather should be perfect for them. The reddening and loss of the leaves is a stress thing normally it means not enough water or to much sun.

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Re: ID this pereskiopsis [Re: G2gCya]
    #18943773 - 10/07/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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G2gCya said:
I don't know if it will ever grow bigger looking at how small the leaves are.




Keep in mind that leaves are not actually even an absolute requirement for the plant to grow (although obviously they help if they are present.) Pereskiopsis, like "normal" cacti, have the same adaptations allowing photosynthesis to take place on the surface of the stem. How long have you had the plant in your care? Was it already rooted when you got it? It's hard to tell size scale from the picture, but smaller cuttings tend to take longer to really get going.


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Re: ID this pereskiopsis [Re: psi]
    #18943820 - 10/07/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I got it from someone else about 3 weeks ago, with root. It was small, and still small now. The picture looks big but it is in fact smaller than my palm.

I think leaves matter if i want to graft seedling onto this?


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Re: ID this pereskiopsis [Re: G2gCya]
    #18943829 - 10/07/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's nice if the leaves are there, but a graft with no leaves at all will still grow.


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Re: Slow growing, shrinking pereskiopsis. [Re: G2gCya]
    #18943938 - 10/07/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mine are in a very organic rich heavy potting soil.  Maybe bump up the moisture and put a soda bottle over it for a while to add humidity?


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Re: Slow growing, shrinking pereskiopsis. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #18948944 - 10/08/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How much light does it get?


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Re: Slow growing, shrinking pereskiopsis. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #18949171 - 10/08/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Corporal Kielbasa said:
Mine are in a very organic rich heavy potting soil.  Maybe bump up the moisture and put a soda bottle over it for a while to add humidity?




that would not , be the best course of action.

best action, would be to expose to bright light,
fall back on water a few weeks, and hope.

at signs of new growth then water, going light on ferts, till, they show good growth.

humus soil, over water, and over ferts,
will cause soil pests, and they eat the roots.........

if for some reason, the base of the peres goes bad,
clip the top and re root.




hydro pereskiops, under 6500k LED and blue 450 NM LED 105W total.


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Re: Slow growing, shrinking pereskiopsis. [Re: G2gCya]
    #18951548 - 10/08/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here are a couple of pics
This is my old setup. Fully enclosed propagating box 2 x 2 foot cool white fluros mothers growing in cacti mix cuttings rooting in straight vermiculite.



Shelf in my grow room. 50mm pots watered by capillary mats in the bottom of the trays. 2 x 4 foot cool white fluros with diffuser. All growing in straight cacti mix and watered 2 to 3 times a week.



I also have a number of mother plants that are outside under a tree in full shade but the only really produce good growth during the hotter months and the get watered every day during those months and receive rain through the the rest of the year. As long as these don't sit in sodden soil all of the time they will thrive.
Pere need to be treated more like a tropical plant than a cactus.


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Re: Slow growing, shrinking pereskiopsis. [Re: GoOnThen]
    #18961220 - 10/10/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

pereskiopsis,
on dirt ,under 6500k t-8/ left.
and in hydro ,under 5k LED " white" and LED 450 nm / right.




the point is,
they like alot of light.

if ya cant use lights, use the most sun ya can.





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Re: Slow growing, shrinking pereskiopsis. [Re: anne halonium]
    #18961560 - 10/10/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously growing pere is not a science you stick a cutting in some dirt and if is is warm, gets some light and water it will grow. Getting optimum results may require some tweaking but spending money on special lights and growing mediums in my opinion is just wasting money growing a plant that could be classified a weed. :smile:
That said each to there own and if you are having fun then its all good.

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Re: Slow growing, shrinking pereskiopsis. [Re: GoOnThen]
    #18963022 - 10/11/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it would seem its an easy plant to grow.
and ,for some it is.

but obviously, from the many pics seen on forums,
many have a hard time mastering  growing them.

growing them indoors, is more challenging than outdoors.
and one must consider end use.

if all one wants is a peres in a pot on the porch,
under the sun, easy enough.
if one demands indoor high speed performance for hyper grafts,
its does take an element of skill and equip.

as with almost everything on this forum,
theres a tek for " good enough"
and teks for the advanced " excellence"

if anything here, was that easy,
peeps would be neck deep in everything.
we know , thats not the case.

hang in there g2gcya, with some luck,
you can turn that twig into a forest in 4-5 months.

i dont link off site,
but there are advanced pereskiopsis grow sites on the web,
that detail its grow .


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