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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18941317 - 10/06/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.



Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers :rolleyes:




There is never a situation that only alcohol or drugs can help you unwind. You obviously aren't looking hard enough for something different. Roll your eyes all you want but it sounds like you are just making excuses to drink. I wasn't born yesterday I have dealt with some pretty extreme situations and what you suggest only makes them worse in the long run.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
    #18941472 - 10/06/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.



Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers :rolleyes:




There is never a situation that only alcohol or drugs can help you unwind. You obviously aren't looking hard enough for something different. Roll your eyes all you want but it sounds like you are just making excuses to drink. I wasn't born yesterday I have dealt with some pretty extreme situations and what you suggest only makes them worse in the long run.



Maybe for you....but believe it or not some folks can indulge responsibly and with temperance. Just because you choose to blow your alcohol consumption through the roof when you drink is no reason to condemned the activity.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18941511 - 10/06/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.



Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers :rolleyes:




There is never a situation that only alcohol or drugs can help you unwind. You obviously aren't looking hard enough for something different. Roll your eyes all you want but it sounds like you are just making excuses to drink. I wasn't born yesterday I have dealt with some pretty extreme situations and what you suggest only makes them worse in the long run.



Maybe for you....but believe it or not some folks can indulge responsibly and with temperance. Just because you choose to blow your alcohol consumption through the roof when you drink is no reason to condemned the activity.




It must be nice to make assumptions about peoples use of alcohol. For anyone that uses alcohol or drugs to unwind eventually you will be taking more and more. Everyone starts out using drugs and alcohol responsibly but when you are using them to just unwind and make you feel better more often then not you eventually lose control.

You can say I am wrong as much as you want but that won't change the fact that this is what I have seen the vast majority of the time including in myself.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
    #18941525 - 10/06/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe I need to get laid.



It's not a maybe. Socializing and getting laid are definitely a big slice of the pizza of life. If you could get an actual relationship going that'd be ideal, but yeah, first things first.

And just let me get this straight - are you in Siberia, on an oil rig or down a mine shed where there are physically no females to interact with, OR you're reasonably fit, active, not retarded, even creative, AND there are females around you, you just need to move them from wherever they are to naked in your bed?

Because this last part is strictly a skill-based thing, totally learnable. Used to think it's not, but it is. Quite straightforward if you put your time in. About as difficult as learning to drive well, equal number of hours required. If you're already fit and have some content in your head, most of your work is already done. Learn some PUA, apply, land some nice girls and see if things don't massively improve. RSD Julien on Youtube for instance is a decent point to start with. I'd look at Mystery and DeAngelo as well, plenty of free quality info out there, very valuable as it's in video format, you can actually see what you're supposed to be doing. I doubt you're more socially dysfunctional than I was when I started.

Suck on :boobs: not bottles :lol:

Oh and if you try low dose shrooms as a socializing aid, IMO it will help you way more than alcohol. Don't combine, do one or the other, do your own testing, see what works.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18941561 - 10/06/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I can socialize extremely well and have no problems getting women when I want to. However I have just got done with a very long length of substance abuse and a vast majority of other issues. I am going through treatment for PTSD and substance abuse (the second part of it) I have a lot of problems and the last thing I need is to be with a women that could possibly make it worse. I can last a while longer without any sexual interactions, it will pay off in the end.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18943022 - 10/07/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.



Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers :rolleyes:





Do you even jog bro? :muscles:


A good run can absolutely be a resource to unwind.
The feeling after a good run can be comparable to a a psychedelic high.

I'm not arguing that responsible drinking can't, but in regards to op, responsible drinking doesn't seem like a viable option.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
    #18943253 - 10/07/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I can socialize extremely well and have no problems getting women when I want to. However I have just got done with a very long length of substance abuse and a vast majority of other issues. I am going through treatment for PTSD and substance abuse (the second part of it) I have a lot of problems and the last thing I need is to be with a women that could possibly make it worse. I can last a while longer without any sexual interactions, it will pay off in the end.



Mate I think you might benefit from expanding your framework about interacting with women. Find a few friends with benefits (or at least one) and stick to the plan. No seeing the same woman several days in the same week, definitely not on consecutive days, making it clear that you've been out of some issues (say it's been with other women, don't even mention drug abuse) and just need some time before getting into anything serious again. Spend some nice time and have some easy chill rolling in the hay together, and keep it clear that this is it for now.

There are definitely women out there in your exact situation, out of long relationships, not ready for a new one, still need a good massage, conversation, someone to hold them a few evenings a week. Just don't go overboard and start taking things too seriously too fast, and you'll be fine. Nothing as refreshing as a friendly relationship that everybody agrees is not heading for marriage, or in fact anywhere other than friendship, all sex being casual and chill, and talking like you're with one of the guys, because hell, why pretend?


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
    #18947426 - 10/07/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Reginald, dude, just get off the sauce now. You might still work out, be busy "intellectually and creatively", and eat well. I used to be all of that too. You speak casually about how you'll just drink your liver to death. Well I'm unfortunately alot closer to that actual prospect than you are, and let me tell you, it SUCKS. There is nothing cool or romantic about it. I wake up every morning and my stomach hurts...not stomach cramps, or bloating, but real, unflinching pain.

It's easy to drink carelessly in your youth, even knowing about alcohol's effects on the liver, primarily because the future seems so far away. But it will only get worse if you keep going at this rate. Much worse. Booze does offer some form of alleviation to one's woes, but that relief becomes thinner and thinner until you're not really alleviating any of your problems, and you'll notice that it eventually exacerbates or even creates the problems in your life. It is annoying trying to quit the sauce when you're young. Trying to quit when you're 10+ years in is downright burdensome. You won't drink to alleviate your woes, you will drink because if you don't you'll start shaking, vomiting, or at the very least be overcome by a sea of nerves. Being sober after years of being constantly drunk is an almost impossible feeling, even walking and breathing feel unfamiliar. I have a friend who is, somehow, even worse off than I am. He comes out of the bathroom sometimes and casually mentions how he just vomited blood. He won't see a doctor because as he says, "why pay a doctor to tell me something I already know'.

The life of a true alcoholic is a sad one. It is a pretty goddamn bleak scene when you reach the end of it. You'll likely burn some bridges; lose jobs, ruin meaningful relationships, etc. The sheer loneliness is infinitely more painful than any of the physical effects. I have lost so much over the last several years, it amazes me at times to think about. You can say fuck the world and drink in isolation all you want, but don't be surprised if the world forgets about you.

I woke up in a park the other morning, without any real recollection of getting there. I've been kicked out of more bars than I can count, and hey, I'm a nice guy! If you want to just cut loose on the weekends and rage it up with your friends, cool. If you think you're going to drink heavily day in and day out, and not end up being miserable and alone, think again.

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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Soularize]
    #18949125 - 10/08/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The life of a true alcoholic is a sad one. It is a pretty goddamn bleak scene when you reach the end of it. You'll likely burn some bridges; lose jobs, ruin meaningful relationships, etc. The sheer loneliness is infinitely more painful than any of the physical effects. I have lost so much over the last several years, it amazes me at times to think about. You can say fuck the world and drink in isolation all you want, but don't be surprised if the world forgets about you.







Yeah I know. My mother is an alcoholic and she is definitely miserable and alone. I can barely stand visiting her because it's so god-damned depressing. The only place in the world that I can go and feel even shittier than usual is my own mother's house.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
    #18949493 - 10/08/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IIRC, alcoholism has a genetic factor to it. In all seriousness, you may want to talk to your mom about counseling, even suggesting going with her for support. It could be good for both of you. At the end of the day, though, you are only responsible for your own actions. If she refuses to go, you could still benefit from going.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18950249 - 10/08/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP, why are you thinking about your problem in such simple terms?

How many Aya ceremonies have you tried, before giving up and accepting your failure, turning to the bottle? What better use do you have for your time energy and money, than getting your shit together and getting all the peyote sweat lodges and/or ayahuasca ceremonies that are required to get your brain chemistry back on track and working right? Both of them have been shown to work with depression and alcohol abuse, and the voyage / pilgrimage itself is a great project to undertake.

You have an alcoholic mother, you've seen first hand what alcohol abuse can lead to, and yet you're "warming up to that reality"? What kind of lazy redneck thinking is that? I know you must be capable of a better plan than that.

What's it even going to cost you, to reach your closest peyote / aya ceremony? Have you done the math on it?


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18961274 - 10/10/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What's it even going to cost you, to reach your closest peyote / aya ceremony? Have you done the math on it?






I don't know rofl. I'm too busy with grad school.

I've partaken in homegrown shrooms a few times in the past. That's the most experience with psychedelic culture I've had. Nowadays the most psychedelic thing I do is listen to Shpongle.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
    #18962674 - 10/11/13 05:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok but you are aware there may be say, some NAC people in your area, that you have no idea about simply for lack of searching? You could probably spare an evening a month to join up, right? If Christians spare each Sunday and Muslims spare 5 prayer times a day every day, I'm sure you could find a tripping day in a month :lol:

Not sure if and how the NAC even accept new people, but it only takes some googling and emailing to find out.

Or if not, at least keep on shrooming :thumbup:

Best if you can do it somewhat regular, and/or if you find some fellow trippers, then stuff gets interesting.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18969939 - 10/12/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've been where it is really hard to make a lifestyle change capable of mollifying the stress I felt so I turned to a couple doses of kratom per week and occassional MXE. In retrospect I don't regret it at all. I use them much less now. Not necessarily am suggesting that, but in my experience it is a hell of a lot better than using alcohol. Alcohol will deplete your b-vitamins and magnesium (I think?) making you even more susceptible to stress.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18969951 - 10/12/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok but you are aware there may be say, some NAC people in your area, that you have no idea about simply for lack of searching? You could probably spare an evening a month to join up, right? If Christians spare each Sunday and Muslims spare 5 prayer times a day every day, I'm sure you could find a tripping day in a month :lol:

Not sure if and how the NAC even accept new people, but it only takes some googling and emailing to find out.

Or if not, at least keep on shrooming :thumbup:

Best if you can do it somewhat regular, and/or if you find some fellow trippers, then stuff gets interesting.




Dude, what are NAC people? Sorry if it has already been explained, but I skimmed the thread and couldn't figure it out and silly Google thought it was either a media group or an amino acid.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
    #18970200 - 10/12/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The fine folk at the Native American Church  :peyotespectrum: :indian::indian::indian: :peyotespectrum:


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18970224 - 10/12/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh really? I'm not sure how I would feel about going to one of those. I feel like it would be weird, but maybe I just don't have the balls.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18970225 - 10/12/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Charles bukowski :chugbeer:
and a toast to those who had their lives ruined by alcohol
i personally got bored of alcohol but i do it time to time i just feel muffled when drunk,  good sleep aid and helps me get through boring or annoying shit without being completely :vaped: which is what i usually do.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
    #18971198 - 10/13/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh really? I'm not sure how I would feel about going to one of those. I feel like it would be weird, but maybe I just don't have the balls.



Having some experienced trippers that know what they're doing and have tents and drums and feathers and everything for an awesome trip, and a somewhat stable supply of actual peyote?

Yeah I see how that would totally suck :lol:

If we had anything like the NAC here I would be out there RIGHT NOW doing whatever it takes for them to let me in. Short of surgery and gay sex of course, but that's about it :biggrin:


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18971610 - 10/13/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It does sound pretty cool when you put it that way. :smile:

It's probably the fact that I'm not Native American that would make me feel awkward, if they even accept non Native Americans.


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